Kevin Kelley, the controversial Arkansas High school Coach who doesn't punt, goes for 2 after every Touchdown, and tries an onside kick on every kickoff has been named the head coach at Presbyterian College

(05-06-2021 07:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Kevin Kelley, the controversial Arkansas High school Coach who doesn't punt, goes for 2 after every Touchdown, and tries an onside kick on every kickoff has been named the head coach at Presbyterian College

I will definitely be watching a Presbyterian game this fall. That will be exciting football.

Betcha anything he'll punt at Presbyterian. His offense won't have a high enough success rate to not.

During the latest interview he said he wouldn't be bringing the full "No Punt" scheme to Presby.

It's hard to believe that anyone could believe that trying an on-side kick on every kickoff would be effective. There's no way that the success rate for recovering on-side kicks could justify giving up that kind of field position. Maybe his D was so good he could get away with it.

It will be interesting to see what he actually does at Presbyterian

(05-07-2021 07:35 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  It's hard to believe that anyone could believe that trying an on-side kick on every kickoff would be effective. There's no way that the success rate for recovering on-side kicks could justify giving up that kind of field position. Maybe his D was so good he could get away with it.

It will be interesting to see what he actually does at Presbyterian

High School is a different level of athlete. Younger. Less direct training. etc. His no punt and on-side kicks really worked in Arkansas HS ball. I think he was fairly dominant too.

(05-07-2021 07:55 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 07:35 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  It's hard to believe that anyone could believe that trying an on-side kick on every kickoff would be effective. There's no way that the success rate for recovering on-side kicks could justify giving up that kind of field position. Maybe his D was so good he could get away with it.

It will be interesting to see what he actually does at Presbyterian

High School is a different level of athlete. Younger. Less direct training. etc. His no punt and on-side kicks really worked in Arkansas HS ball. I think he was fairly dominant too.

I'm sure that it is easier to get a huge separation (talent wise) in high school vs. college sports. A dominant program can get away with a lot. Like I said, it will be interesting to see what he actually does at Presbyterian. He certainly won't have a talent advantage.

(05-07-2021 08:17 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 07:55 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 07:35 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  It's hard to believe that anyone could believe that trying an on-side kick on every kickoff would be effective. There's no way that the success rate for recovering on-side kicks could justify giving up that kind of field position. Maybe his D was so good he could get away with it.

It will be interesting to see what he actually does at Presbyterian

High School is a different level of athlete. Younger. Less direct training. etc. His no punt and on-side kicks really worked in Arkansas HS ball. I think he was fairly dominant too.

I'm sure that it is easier to get a huge separation (talent wise) in high school vs. college sports. A dominant program can get away with a lot. Like I said, it will be interesting to see what he actually does at Presbyterian. He certainly won't have a talent advantage.

Exactly, especially at the non-scholly level that Presby is. That's why he said he isn't likely to utilize the 100% no punt offense. I'm sure it'll be still interesting to watch to see how he works his offense.

(05-07-2021 10:27 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 08:17 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 07:55 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 07:35 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  It's hard to believe that anyone could believe that trying an on-side kick on every kickoff would be effective. There's no way that the success rate for recovering on-side kicks could justify giving up that kind of field position. Maybe his D was so good he could get away with it.

It will be interesting to see what he actually does at Presbyterian

High School is a different level of athlete. Younger. Less direct training. etc. His no punt and on-side kicks really worked in Arkansas HS ball. I think he was fairly dominant too.

I'm sure that it is easier to get a huge separation (talent wise) in high school vs. college sports. A dominant program can get away with a lot. Like I said, it will be interesting to see what he actually does at Presbyterian. He certainly won't have a talent advantage.

Exactly, especially at the non-scholly level that Presby is. That's why he said he isn't likely to utilize the 100% no punt offense. I'm sure it'll be still interesting to watch to see how he works his offense.

Presby is in the Big South now for a few years. I don't think they are non-scholly anymore, but they might not offer the full allotment.

(05-07-2021 12:25 PM)Yosef84 Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 10:27 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 08:17 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 07:55 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 07:35 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  It's hard to believe that anyone could believe that trying an on-side kick on every kickoff would be effective. There's no way that the success rate for recovering on-side kicks could justify giving up that kind of field position. Maybe his D was so good he could get away with it.

It will be interesting to see what he actually does at Presbyterian

High School is a different level of athlete. Younger. Less direct training. etc. His no punt and on-side kicks really worked in Arkansas HS ball. I think he was fairly dominant too.

I'm sure that it is easier to get a huge separation (talent wise) in high school vs. college sports. A dominant program can get away with a lot. Like I said, it will be interesting to see what he actually does at Presbyterian. He certainly won't have a talent advantage.

Exactly, especially at the non-scholly level that Presby is. That's why he said he isn't likely to utilize the 100% no punt offense. I'm sure it'll be still interesting to watch to see how he works his offense.

Presby is in the Big South now for a few years. I don't think they are non-scholly anymore, but they might not offer the full allotment.

Presby is not in the Big South for football as of this past year (played a PFC schedule) They're in the Pioneer FC. Non-Scholarship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Football_League

(05-07-2021 12:30 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 12:25 PM)Yosef84 Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 10:27 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 08:17 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 07:55 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  High School is a different level of athlete. Younger. Less direct training. etc. His no punt and on-side kicks really worked in Arkansas HS ball. I think he was fairly dominant too.

I'm sure that it is easier to get a huge separation (talent wise) in high school vs. college sports. A dominant program can get away with a lot. Like I said, it will be interesting to see what he actually does at Presbyterian. He certainly won't have a talent advantage.

Exactly, especially at the non-scholly level that Presby is. That's why he said he isn't likely to utilize the 100% no punt offense. I'm sure it'll be still interesting to watch to see how he works his offense.

Presby is in the Big South now for a few years. I don't think they are non-scholly anymore, but they might not offer the full allotment.

Presby is not in the Big South for football as of this past year. They're in the Pioneer Conference. Non-Scholarship.

My bad! I'm obviously running a step behind! I stand corrected!

(05-06-2021 08:59 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I will definitely be watching a Presbyterian game this fall. That will be exciting football.

oh yea? you like non-scholarship FCS games?

(05-07-2021 03:24 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  

(05-06-2021 08:59 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I will definitely be watching a Presbyterian game this fall. That will be exciting football.

oh yea? you like non-scholarship FCS games?

Watched Presby and Davidson this year. Presby and Gardner Webb too. Though this was spring football, so how couldn't I?

I personally don't think this coach will remain at Presbyterian very long as he is a very talented and bright young man, IMO.

He is a good coach, no doubt. 9 HS state championships.
He had coached players such as Hunter Henry (Patriots TE), his 2 brothers who play at Arkansas, as well as stAte QB's Fredi Knighten and Layne Hatcher.

(05-07-2021 07:35 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  It's hard to believe that anyone could believe that trying an on-side kick on every kickoff would be effective. There's no way that the success rate for recovering on-side kicks could justify giving up that kind of field position. Maybe his D was so good he could get away with it.

It will be interesting to see what he actually does at Presbyterian

When you are able to recruit the best kids in the state to play in a league against a bunch of public schools, you'd be able to do anything you want as twell.

The innovative part of Kelley isn't necessarily the no punt thing, its his play design. He runs some plays that I'm pretty sure a Rugby player drew up.

What he said. Many don't understand the overwhelming advantage he had because of the school he coached. Money talks.

(05-08-2021 05:29 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  What he said. Many don't understand the overwhelming advantage he had because of the school he coached. Money talks.

He probably took the job to see how well the scheme will translate. Non scholarship football is still a step up in quality from High School.

No doubt about that. I'm interested to see how it works out as well. But living down the road from his high school program I was well aware of the money that funded that situation. It was so bad that the state's athletic oversight group was trying to figure out how to separate the private schools from the public schools because the private schools were buying the best players in state. Thus all the D1 prospects coming from these kind of schools. So now Kelly moves into a new world. Let's see what his brand does. I will say this. Blake Anderson brought a lot of that "river gambler" attitude to stAte and it didn't play well in the long run.

(05-08-2021 10:22 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  No doubt about that. I'm interested to see how it works out as well. But living down the road from his high school program I was well aware of the money that funded that situation. It was so bad that the state's athletic oversight group was trying to figure out how to separate the private schools from the public schools because the private schools were buying the best players in state. Thus all the D1 prospects coming from these kind of schools. So now Kelly moves into a new world. Let's see what his brand does. I will say this. Blake Anderson brought a lot of that "river gambler" attitude to stAte and it didn't play well in the long run.

First of all, I am no fan of Kelly. That being said, he did not buy his players. I suspect a few key players here or there got financial assistance, but it's not like he had blue chip players every year leading the charge. And kids like Hatcher, and Henry didn't need to money or a scholarship. Their families had enough money to pay for tuition. They just chose to go to PA to play for Kelly and the program.

It's easy to assume he bought the players to be successful. What he did is build a program where kids wanted to come play. He maybe had 1 or 2 kids each year go on to play at the next level. Not like his entire team was college level talent. The D1 kids in Little Rock are coming from Bryant, Robinson, NLR, Central - all public schools.

He was demanding and his players outworked and executed better than any team I have ever seen on the high school level.

Like I said, I am not a fan of his program and I would not want my kids to play for a coach like that. But you can't deny his success and you can't just say "He recruited kids and paid kids to play to win." That is not the case.