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RE: Vaccine and sporting events
(05-04-2021 01:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (05-04-2021 10:27 AM)dcg141 Wrote: Some MLB teams are wanting to require a vaccine card to attend games and the states are telling them they can't. Buffalo's professional teams sent out a statement and Cuomo shot back that they can't. Texas and FL has or is going to pass legislation that you can't. Lawyers are saying they can. There is a supreme court case from the polio vaccine they ruled in favor of public safety. Just wonder how far this will go and be played out in court.
It's an interesting dynamic. Some of the states who tend to support heavy government involvement, are having to back off. Largely due to economics, and population unrest.
I was recently in Vegas and couldn't believe how sad it was there. Economy a mess. No one working. The Bellagio had only one restaurant open one night. The very next week, the mayor announced he was switching political parties and reopening everything.
(05-04-2021 03:25 PM)Atlanta Wrote: (05-04-2021 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (05-04-2021 01:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote: (05-04-2021 01:05 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: (05-04-2021 11:11 AM)Atlanta Wrote: What's the purpose of getting the vaccine if you don't intend to to return to prior normalcy, like attending events? And don't forget those who actually have had Covid-19, the studies I've seen indicate they generally have a more robust antibody immunity than provided by the vaccine?
A study released just yesterday says mRNA Covid vaccines produce more robust antibodies than natural infection. Much higher is how they describe it and confer cross-reactivity effective on new variants. They have always said natural infected people can be re-infected with the same strain and are particularly vulnerable with new variants.
"MRNA vaccine induced antibodies levels are spectacular and appear rapidly in days after vaccination" PhD Philip Feigner, director of Vaccine R&D Center at Univ of California, Irvine. The vaccination results have far exceeded any dream we had.
And there are a significant number of break through cases associated with those who have been vaccinated. What is that study that was released yesterday that says vaccination confers better antibody protection? And BTW, I'm not anti-vac at all but I am skeptical of studies by anyone associated with vaccines who are pushing vaccination benefits over natural immunity.
There will be "break through" cases for sure. The efficacy is estimated at 95% (Moderna & Pfizer). So 5% is a real number. I'm not sure why this seems to surprise the media so much that they have a story on each one they stumble across.
It's the media, whipping up emotion sells.
(05-04-2021 04:00 PM)snowtiger Wrote: (05-04-2021 03:25 PM)Atlanta Wrote: (05-04-2021 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (05-04-2021 01:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote: (05-04-2021 01:05 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: A study released just yesterday says mRNA Covid vaccines produce more robust antibodies than natural infection. Much higher is how they describe it and confer cross-reactivity effective on new variants. They have always said natural infected people can be re-infected with the same strain and are particularly vulnerable with new variants.
"MRNA vaccine induced antibodies levels are spectacular and appear rapidly in days after vaccination" PhD Philip Feigner, director of Vaccine R&D Center at Univ of California, Irvine. The vaccination results have far exceeded any dream we had.
And there are a significant number of break through cases associated with those who have been vaccinated. What is that study that was released yesterday that says vaccination confers better antibody protection? And BTW, I'm not anti-vac at all but I am skeptical of studies by anyone associated with vaccines who are pushing vaccination benefits over natural immunity.
There will be "break through" cases for sure. The efficacy is estimated at 95% (Moderna & Pfizer). So 5% is a real number. I'm not sure why this seems to surprise the media so much that they have a story on each one they stumble across.
It's the media, whipping up emotion sells.
There is a small number of breakthrough cases recorded , nationwide. As of late April, California has about 1400. Not too bad.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-gov...05069.html
Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have identified 5,800 cases of breakthrough infections among vaccinated people, agency spokeswoman Jasmine Reed said in an email. They represent a tiny fraction of the 75 million people in the United States who are fully vaccinated, Reed said. The agency is not currently providing a state-by-state breakdown of the cases.
“All of the available vaccines have been proven effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalizations, and deaths,” Reed wrote in an email. “However, like is seen with other vaccines, we expect thousands of vaccine breakthrough cases will occur even though the vaccine is working as expected.”
The breakthrough cases were found among people of all ages eligible for vaccination, Reed said. Nearly two-thirds of the identified cases were in women, 29% of the cases were asymptomatic, and just 7% were known to be hospitalized. Seventy-four of the people died, representing about 1% of the breakthrough cases, according to the CDC data.
(05-06-2021 02:11 PM)oruvoice Wrote: (05-06-2021 01:50 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote: (05-06-2021 09:52 AM)oruvoice Wrote: There have been hundreds of drugs that received full FDA approval, only to be recalled months/years later. Some of those were wildly popular and used for years, only to find out later that they caused many serious health issues.
If that doesn't give you a slight pause on these Covid vaccines, then I don't know what else to say?
How many of the drugs that are recalled are drugs that are meant to treat other illnesses and are taken over extended periods of time. Vaccines are not the same thing. Vaccines have mostly been recalled due to contamination.
Everything has risk. Taking a shower, driving your car, walking down stairs. Of course the risk is different for all things but comparing COVID to the flu is just ridiculous. When has the flu overwhelmed our hospitals? When has the flu done what is currently happening in India. COVID does not have to kill you to change you life. Talk to the people that have had it and are still struggling and may never get back to their former selves. That gives me pause.
I've not personally known anyone that has been hit with a serious case of Covid. I have also talked to MANY, MANY people that I know and asked them if they knew anyone that died from Covid. A grand total of one of those people said that they knew someone, that knew someone, that died from Covid.
I know personally of several people that died of other causes, but Covid was listed as their cause of death.
(05-06-2021 03:19 PM)snowtiger Wrote: Certain factions of Big Pharma have been trying to get an mRNA 'vaccine' thing going' for years,but it was too expensive for even Big Pharma to pursue seriously.
Our cells use mRNA to manipulate the static genes of DNA into dynamic proteins, involved in every bodily function. Biotech companies make some of these proteins as drugs in large vats of genetically engineered cells. It’s a time-consuming and costly process.
Anyway, no one knows the long term effects this covid genetic manipulation will have on our immune reactions, simply because not enough time has passed.
Even that wouldn't bother me as much as this: For whatever reasons, some of us already have heightened, potentially life threatening, immune responses to foods, venom, drugs, lipid carriers, preservatives etc, as well as prescription meds. Some of us can't even take the antidote that would stop the histamine reactions....so where does that leave some of us.
Although some of us occupy a minuscule percentage, the CDC and Big Pharma are willing to take that risk. lol
But they aren't looking at it from my perspective. And I ain't gonna look at it from theirs.
This is a somewhat interesting article on mRNA vaccines written 2018. It could use bullet points. lol
https://cen.acs.org/business/start-ups/m...try/96/i35
Dr's,can end these crimes against humanity, please speak out.....
My Perception of the Situation
"I perceive that at every level, hospital administration has had no apparent choice, other than to submit to the endless top-down roll out from governments, of questionable new rules, protocols, and procedures. My honest conversations with co-workers about my research and observations, became a problem. Caught in this quandary, an important administrator who I greatly respect, told me that “my thoughts made others uncomfortable, and made it difficult to keep everyone motivated and compliant” with all the new protocols and restrictions. Sympathetic to the sad situation, I maintained my clinical position by promising to “bite my tongue any time I thought I was going to speak about COVID-19” in the hospital. This was ultimately ethically impossible for me, and by mid-November I began winding down my ER work, and resigned from all my ER’s by mid-February, to avoid conflicts between my social, legal, and ethical responsibilities; and the hospitals which I am fond of."
Political Manipulation of Health Care Workers
"I perceive that many things we learned in medical school about infectious disease have been brushed aside and replaced by constantly expanding lists of — to-me-often-strange — mandates by public health officials. Doctors, nurses, and teachers are especially important to the success of this COVID-19 deception, as we are leaders in society and people trust our advice. So, it is no surprise that I have found free speech and thought have been very suppressed in our ranks. Rather than endure the punishments of dissenting, we can choose to experience the short-sighted perks like extremely quiet days in the ER, replacing our traditional hands-on work with Zoom sessions from home and accessing a variety of new COVID-19 billing codes. At one point, I was offered a position making more money than I normally make working in a busy ER, to just stay home and be available in case the covid swabbing nurse needed to video conference with me.
There are many positive and negative motivators being used to manipulate Canadian doctors, nurses and teachers, to inadvertently participate in this grand covid deception; but this is destroying our society. To use a Titanic metaphor: “even the luxury suites on the Titanic end up at the bottom of the ocean when she sinks”. Also, much of what is being done, including the experimental viral genetic injections, seem to violate the Nuremberg code regarding medical experimentation with full informed consent by the participants.
Doctors and nurses face tough decisions. My career as an emergency physician had always provided me an opportunity to practice my religious and ethical beliefs of honesty and kindness, while making a good living. Now maintaining the career I love would require participating in the deception, violating my oath and spiritual beliefs, and in my opinion committing crimes against humanity as defined by the Nuremberg Code.
I empathize with all my fellow doctors and nurses. We are all victims of the covid abuse."
(This post was last modified: 06-14-2021 11:38 AM by thagr82008.)
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Vaccine and sporting events
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