(05-04-2021 01:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:05 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:11 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:01 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Or there will be the people that got the vaccine who will chose not to attend large events until the vaccine rate reaches herd immunity. If the unvaccinated want to risk it, have at it.

What's the purpose of getting the vaccine if you don't intend to to return to prior normalcy, like attending events? And don't forget those who actually have had Covid-19, the studies I've seen indicate they generally have a more robust antibody immunity than provided by the vaccine?

A study released just yesterday says mRNA Covid vaccines produce more robust antibodies than natural infection. Much higher is how they describe it and confer cross-reactivity effective on new variants. They have always said natural infected people can be re-infected with the same strain and are particularly vulnerable with new variants.

"MRNA vaccine induced antibodies levels are spectacular and appear rapidly in days after vaccination" PhD Philip Feigner, director of Vaccine R&D Center at Univ of California, Irvine. The vaccination results have far exceeded any dream we had.

And there are a significant number of break through cases associated with those who have been vaccinated. What is that study that was released yesterday that says vaccination confers better antibody protection? And BTW, I'm not anti-vac at all but I am skeptical of studies by anyone associated with vaccines who are pushing vaccination benefits over natural immunity.

There will be "break through" cases for sure. The efficacy is estimated at 95% (Moderna & Pfizer). So 5% is a real number. I'm not sure why this seems to surprise the media so much that they have a story on each one they stumble across.

(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote:  At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.

Those of us who don't take the vaccine understand the situation.

Just don't expect a lot of compassion if they find out the vaccine causes a myriad of other issues, in 5 years from now.

(05-04-2021 01:32 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:12 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:38 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:18 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  These vaccines are still experimental. They have not been cleared by the FDA. They were pressed into service due to a national emergency.
A lot of safeguards that vaccines normally go through were not followed here.
Until we get a vaccine that is not experimental...I won't even consider it.

Yeah. Not sure why this concept is so difficult to understand?

I'll let things play out for a couple of years on the vaccines and take the >1% risk from Covid.

It’s as simple as this.

Folks wanna get a shot, get it. If it works then you have nothing to worry about.

If your shot works, why do I need it?

You need it because inevitably you will come across someone else who has not taken it. And they will as well. Sooner or later someone gets sick and dies.

There are plenty of medical reasons not to take the shot. Those are the ones we need to protect. We do this by, everyone who is healthy gets the shot.

(05-04-2021 01:47 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote:  At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.

Those of us who don't take the vaccine understand the situation.

Just don't expect a lot of compassion if they find out the vaccine causes a myriad of other issues, in 5 years from now.

What kind of issues?

(05-04-2021 01:47 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote:  At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.

Those of us who don't take the vaccine understand the situation.

Just don't expect a lot of compassion if they find out the vaccine causes a myriad of other issues, in 5 years from now.

The Scientific community throughout the world has been testing and studying this type of vaccine for years. To my knowledge, it has never been suspected of causing any type of alteration of RNA or DNA that was not intended or expected. So, it will be very surprising if it causes a myriad of other issues. But I do understand your concerns. I choose to follow the science. You do not. And both of us are ok with that.

I will say this.
I got my 2nd Moderna shot Sunday.
I felt like crap on Monday (but fine today).
If they come out and say I need a booster every 6 months, I'm out.
I will just wait until I need to travel internationally or attend a large event, and get the booster 2 weeks before.

(05-04-2021 01:51 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:47 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote:  At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.

Those of us who don't take the vaccine understand the situation.

Just don't expect a lot of compassion if they find out the vaccine causes a myriad of other issues, in 5 years from now.

What kind of issues?

I don't know. The vaccine just came out a couple of months ago, after being tested for a couple of months.

(05-04-2021 01:53 PM)bbqtiger Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:47 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote:  At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.

Those of us who don't take the vaccine understand the situation.

Just don't expect a lot of compassion if they find out the vaccine causes a myriad of other issues, in 5 years from now.

The Scientific community throughout the world has been testing and studying this type of vaccine for years. To my knowledge, it has never been suspected of causing any type of alteration of RNA or DNA that was not intended or expected. So, it will be very surprising if it causes a myriad of other issues. But I do understand your concerns. I choose to follow the science. You do not. And both of us are ok with that.

Follow the science!

(05-04-2021 10:27 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  Some MLB teams are wanting to require a vaccine card to attend games and the states are telling them they can't. Buffalo's professional teams sent out a statement and Cuomo shot back that they can't. Texas and FL has or is going to pass legislation that you can't. Lawyers are saying they can. There is a supreme court case from the polio vaccine they ruled in favor of public safety. Just wonder how far this will go and be played out in court.

It's an interesting dynamic. Some of the states who tend to support heavy government involvement, are having to back off. Largely due to economics, and population unrest.

I was recently in Vegas and couldn't believe how sad it was there. Economy a mess. No one working. The Bellagio had only one restaurant open one night. The very next week, the mayor announced he was switching political parties and reopening everything.

(05-04-2021 01:45 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:46 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:39 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  standing by January




Dave Champion has been discussing Covid since it began.
He's a very intelligent guy who has been keeping up with it in the news...and he talks about it here.

He's a PhD, and he is a former Army Ranger, with a background as a weapons instructor? I believe.
He has written books about taxes and personal health.

What creds does this guy have to speak on herd immunity?

what creds does Bill Gates have?
This guy at least has a PhD.
You are looking at his outward appearance, and not listening to what he has to say.
Appearances as they say... can be deceiving.
He has written a book about body health called "Body Science"... so he has some medical knowledge.

His PhD is in political philosophy. I am a veteran and I have my own ink so no I am not “judging the cover”. I stopped listening at 2 mins in not for his appearance but his argument. He states herd immunity was reached in January without providing any details and then launches into the COVID neurosis network (CNN) bashing. He is putting his doctorate to use, just not in the way you think.

Interesting to read this thread, with different takes on the vaccine, etc. I had Covid last summer, then got two shots of Moderna, the last on Feb 26. I had no reaction to either shot, except a slightly sore arm the day after the first shot.

I now consider myself bullet-proof as far as Covid goes. I expect that I’m at more risk of dying from the Round-up I spray on my weeds. I carry a laminated card to prove that I’m vaccinated, if anybody asks. All of my kids are vaccinated plus the two grandkids over 16.

I’m ready to have a big crowd at my Tiger Lane spots for tailgating and I don’t mind sitting in the Liberty Bowl with 30,000 or 40, 000 of my closest friends.

(05-04-2021 02:07 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  Interesting to read this thread, with different takes on the vaccine, etc. I had Covid last summer, then got two shots of Moderna, the last on Feb 26. I had no reaction to either shot, except a slightly sore arm the day after the first shot.

I now consider myself bullet-proof as far as Covid goes. I expect that I’m at more risk of dying from the Round-up I spray on my weeds. I carry a laminated card to prove that I’m vaccinated, if anybody asks. All of my kids are vaccinated plus the two grandkids over 16.

I’m ready to have a big crowd at my Tiger Lane spots for tailgating and I don’t mind sitting in the Liberty Bowl with 30,000 or 40, 000 of my closest friends.

Excellent! Then, you can have me come by your spot on Tiger Lane (un-vaccinated) and you and yours will be completely safe!

(05-04-2021 11:33 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Is this the same virus that they've been talking about that kills about 1% of those infected?

Asking for a friend.

It is the same virus that kills around 2% of those who get infected and tens of millions got infected so hundreds of thousands who wouldn’t have died died

Is this really happening again?

Wear your seatbelt, it saves lives and money, get this shot, it saves lives and money, a LOT of lives

There are two sides to many issues. More taxes or less taxes. More football playoffs or less football playoffs.

The two sides to this science are right and wrong. We are not Winston. 2+2 does not equal 5. There are not two sides to that other than 4 is right and 4 is wrong. Get your shots.

Done

(05-04-2021 02:13 PM)Mimi Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:33 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Is this the same virus that they've been talking about that kills about 1% of those infected?

Asking for a friend.

It is the same virus that kills around 2% of those who get infected and tens of millions got infected so hundreds of thousands who wouldn’t have die, died

HUGE assumption. One that can not be proven, nor disproven.

ETA: Just in case my implication is not clear, suppose all of those people got the regular flu instead. Were the vast majority of those so old or with other co-morbidities that they would have died anyway?

(05-04-2021 02:13 PM)Mimi Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:33 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Is this the same virus that they've been talking about that kills about 1% of those infected?

Asking for a friend.

It is the same virus that kills around 2% of those who get infected and tens of millions got infected so hundreds of thousands who wouldn’t have died died

Is this really happening again?

Wear your seatbelt, it saves lives and money, get this shot, it saves lives and money, a LOT of lives

There are two sides to many issues. More taxes or less taxes. More football playoffs or less football playoffs.

The two sides to this science are right and wrong. We are not Winston. 2+2 does not equal 5. There are not two sides to that other than 4 is right and 4 is wrong. Get your shots.

Done

You really do (and always have) cracked me up!

Reminds me of the lady at The Home Depot a couple of weeks ago, that was 10 feet away, seated behind plexiglass on all sides, with mask up to her eyes, that saw me coming with my mask just below my nose, who immediately stood up and scurried the other direction, frantically telling me to properly wear my mask.

(05-04-2021 02:27 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 02:13 PM)Mimi Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:33 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Is this the same virus that they've been talking about that kills about 1% of those infected?

Asking for a friend.

It is the same virus that kills around 2% of those who get infected and tens of millions got infected so hundreds of thousands who wouldn’t have died died

Is this really happening again?

Wear your seatbelt, it saves lives and money, get this shot, it saves lives and money, a LOT of lives

There are two sides to many issues. More taxes or less taxes. More football playoffs or less football playoffs.

The two sides to this science are right and wrong. We are not Winston. 2+2 does not equal 5. There are not two sides to that other than 4 is right and 4 is wrong. Get your shots.

Done

You really do (and always have) cracked me up!

Reminds me of the lady at The Home Depot a couple of weeks ago, that was 10 feet away, seated behind plexiglass on all sides, with mask up to her eyes, that saw me coming with my mask just below my nose, who immediately stood up and scurried the other direction, frantically telling me to properly wear my mask.

Well..... dude. Either wear it properly, or have the intestinal fortitude to walk in there proud without one.

(05-04-2021 01:51 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:47 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote:  At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.

Those of us who don't take the vaccine understand the situation.

Just don't expect a lot of compassion if they find out the vaccine causes a myriad of other issues, in 5 years from now.

What kind of issues?

Hormonal issues. They are being documented now.

I didn't stumble on this information online, women who were vaccinated several months ago came into my store with problems. So I researched the correlation between vaccines and bleeding and found new evidence just now coming to light.

Women's Doctors are seeing more and more patients with heavy bleeding-- bleeding disorders are worsening in young and old women alike. it all boils down to this: Inflammatory cells triggered by the vaccine could affect hormones.

More info than men would ever want to know is here:

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/can-co...V7I3B74CY/

Women might be the canaries in the coal mine, but men's hormones will also be affected.

This vaccine is apparently changing basic human hormone production. Estrogen levels are up in some already. And they already know sperm count drops after the vaccination. How long the drop lasts and what effects this might have in men on their testosterone production in the long run...welp who knows..... lol

Come to think of it less testosterone in the long run might be a good thing for some men.

(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote:  At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work.

The simple truth is vaccines take YEARS of study to discover all the long term effects.

They just created these in the last 12 months, and have had far less time than that for robust clinical trials and have NOT had sufficient time to fully study long term side effects.

There ARE unknown risks for healthy young people who really do not need a vaccine at all. There are fertility questions, questions of birth defects and other factors we do not fully know about yet.

The "shut up and get the shot" people are totally out of line. If you feel comfortable taking one then do so, but stop trying to bully others into it.

There are completely legit questions and concerns about rushed, unknown vaccines that have not yet gone through the full range of study and test. These have been rush and push out in record time.

As time passes and more study on these brand new rushed vaccines become available, more people will be willing to take them. But trying to bully everyone into taking them right out of the gate and threatening to take away their freedoms is as unamerican as it gets.

Its a disturbing and growing trend in our culture.

(05-04-2021 02:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:37 PM)bbqtiger Wrote:  At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work.

The simple truth is vaccines take YEARS of study to discover all the long term affects.

The just created these in the last 12 months, and have had far less time than that for robust clinical trials and have NOT had sufficient time to fully study long term side effects.

There ARE unknown risks for healthy young people who really do not need a vaccine at all. There are fertility questions, questions of birth defects and other factors we do not fully know about yet.

The the "shut up and get the shot" people are totally out of line.

There are complexity legit questions and concerns about rushed, unknown vaccines that have not yet gone through the full range of study and test. Theses have been rush and push out in record time.

As time passes and more study is done on these brand new, rush vaccines become available, more people will be willing to take them. But trying to bully everyone into taking them right out of the gate and threatening to take away their freedoms is as unamerican as it gets.

Bingo. Close the thread.

(05-04-2021 12:42 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Well...I really don't think vaccine proof will ever be demanded for sporting events without the option of a clear covid test for those who can't or won't do vaccine.

Is this like the people that currently can't or won't work?

Axing fo maynes.