(05-04-2021 12:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:14 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Bad news. Herd Immunity is not happening, partially because of the variants, and partially because a fairly large percentage of our population will never get vaccinated, and also because the covid is already too ingrained to reach herd immunity with one round of vaccinations. Boosters would be a yearly thing. If you think there's resistance now to the first shots...wait till they explain we are going to need more.

Good news. They are no longer setting up herd immunity as the goal. It's now referred to as the 'tipping point'.


https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/h...915586001/

It may not take true "herd immunity" to see a dramatic drop in COVID-19 cases. Some researchers say another 30 million to 40 million first shots could be enough for the United States to reach a vaccine tipping point and containment of the disease caused by the coronavirus.

"It's just another 10% to 15% more people," said Dr. Eric Topol, a professor of molecular medicine at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California.

Forty-four percent of the U.S. population has received at least one shot and 31% is fully vaccinated, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. A tipping point comes when enough people are vaccinated that COVID-19 cases begin to fall dramatically and the spread of the virus is contained – not stopped, but slowed enough to prevent large outbreaks.

Herd immunity happens when the weak are culled. Humans grave that up 100,000 +- years ago.

It's not happening.

agree. lol We opted for chemicals!! Better life through Chemicals!!! shrug. To each his own.

(05-04-2021 12:18 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  These vaccines are still experimental. They have not been cleared by the FDA. They were pressed into service due to a national emergency.
A lot of safeguards that vaccines normally go through were not followed here.
Until we get a vaccine that is not experimental...I won't even consider it.

Yeah. Not sure why this concept is so difficult to understand?

I'll let things play out for a couple of years on the vaccines and take the >1% risk from Covid.

standing by January




Dave Champion has been discussing Covid since it began.
He's a very intelligent guy who has been keeping up with it in the news...and he talks about it here.

He's a PhD, and he is a former Army Ranger, with a background as a weapons instructor? I believe.
He has written books about taxes and personal health.

to be honest, experts of any kind, including any people with their info are irrelevant to my decisions about vaccinations in general. shrug.

Well...I really don't think vaccine proof will ever be demanded for sporting events without the option of a clear covid test for those who can't or won't do vaccine.

Q: What are the COVID-19 testing requirements for attending a May game at Oracle Park?

A: Starting in May, all fans 12 years and older must present proof of full vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test for entry to Oracle Park. A negative test must consist of a PCR test taken not more than 3 days before the game or an antigen test taken not more than 1 day before the game. Children less than 12 years of age are not required to present a negative test result.



https://www.mlb.com/giants/fans/safety/health

shrug

(05-04-2021 12:39 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  standing by January




Dave Champion has been discussing Covid since it began.
He's a very intelligent guy who has been keeping up with it in the news...and he talks about it here.

He's a PhD, and he is a former Army Ranger, with a background as a weapons instructor? I believe.
He has written books about taxes and personal health.

What creds does this guy have to speak on herd immunity?

(05-04-2021 11:11 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:01 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Or there will be the people that got the vaccine who will chose not to attend large events until the vaccine rate reaches herd immunity. If the unvaccinated want to risk it, have at it.

What's the purpose of getting the vaccine if you don't intend to to return to prior normalcy, like attending events? And don't forget those who actually have had Covid-19, the studies I've seen indicate they generally have a more robust antibody immunity than provided by the vaccine?

Because we are not at prior normalcy and I am not going to put my unvaccinated children at risk. While COVID has been less severe in kids there has been news that kids with certain conditions are at a higher risk for severe cases. I will not put my children, one of whom is in that at risk group, at risk to go to a game or a concert at this point in time.

(05-04-2021 11:11 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:01 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Or there will be the people that got the vaccine who will chose not to attend large events until the vaccine rate reaches herd immunity. If the unvaccinated want to risk it, have at it.

What's the purpose of getting the vaccine if you don't intend to to return to prior normalcy, like attending events? And don't forget those who actually have had Covid-19, the studies I've seen indicate they generally have a more robust antibody immunity than provided by the vaccine?

A study released just yesterday says mRNA Covid vaccines produce more robust antibodies than natural infection. Much higher is how they describe it and confer cross-reactivity effective on new variants. They have always said natural infected people can be re-infected with the same strain and are particularly vulnerable with new variants.

"MRNA vaccine induced antibodies levels are spectacular and appear rapidly in days after vaccination" PhD Philip Feigner, director of Vaccine R&D Center at Univ of California, Irvine. The vaccination results have far exceeded any dream we had.

(05-04-2021 12:46 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:39 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  standing by January




Dave Champion has been discussing Covid since it began.
He's a very intelligent guy who has been keeping up with it in the news...and he talks about it here.

He's a PhD, and he is a former Army Ranger, with a background as a weapons instructor? I believe.
He has written books about taxes and personal health.

What creds does this guy have to speak on herd immunity?

I've never heard anyone claim we have or are close to achieving herd immunity. The opposite in fact.

(05-04-2021 12:49 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Some folks think and can offer proof the tats alone are poisonous. lol

to each his/her/its own poison!

I have recently learned that what I thought were bad tats is actually a style that artistically creates images that make the tats look bad. I don't understand that! Maybe I'm just getting old.

(05-04-2021 12:38 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:18 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  These vaccines are still experimental. They have not been cleared by the FDA. They were pressed into service due to a national emergency.
A lot of safeguards that vaccines normally go through were not followed here.
Until we get a vaccine that is not experimental...I won't even consider it.

Yeah. Not sure why this concept is so difficult to understand?

I'll let things play out for a couple of years on the vaccines and take the >1% risk from Covid.

It’s as simple as this.

Folks wanna get a shot, get it. If it works then you have nothing to worry about.

(05-04-2021 01:05 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:11 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:01 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Or there will be the people that got the vaccine who will chose not to attend large events until the vaccine rate reaches herd immunity. If the unvaccinated want to risk it, have at it.

What's the purpose of getting the vaccine if you don't intend to to return to prior normalcy, like attending events? And don't forget those who actually have had Covid-19, the studies I've seen indicate they generally have a more robust antibody immunity than provided by the vaccine?

A study released just yesterday says mRNA Covid vaccines produce more robust antibodies than natural infection. Much higher is how they describe it and confer cross-reactivity effective on new variants. They have always said natural infected people can be re-infected with the same strain and are particularly vulnerable with new variants.

"MRNA vaccine induced antibodies levels are spectacular and appear rapidly in days after vaccination" PhD Philip Feigner, director of Vaccine R&D Center at Univ of California, Irvine. The vaccination results have far exceeded any dream we had.

And there are a significant number of break through cases associated with those who have been vaccinated. What is that study that was released yesterday that says vaccination confers better antibody protection? And BTW, I'm not anti-vac at all but I am skeptical of studies by anyone associated with vaccines who are pushing vaccination benefits over natural immunity.

(05-04-2021 12:53 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:11 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:01 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Or there will be the people that got the vaccine who will chose not to attend large events until the vaccine rate reaches herd immunity. If the unvaccinated want to risk it, have at it.

What's the purpose of getting the vaccine if you don't intend to to return to prior normalcy, like attending events? And don't forget those who actually have had Covid-19, the studies I've seen indicate they generally have a more robust antibody immunity than provided by the vaccine?

Because we are not at prior normalcy and I am not going to put my unvaccinated children at risk. While COVID has been less severe in kids there has been news that kids with certain conditions are at a higher risk for severe cases. I will not put my children, one of whom is in that at risk group, at risk to go to a game or a concert at this point in time.

Take care of your kids as best you can with what your doctors say reduces any kind of risk. Everything else is just noise.

(05-04-2021 01:12 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:38 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:18 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  These vaccines are still experimental. They have not been cleared by the FDA. They were pressed into service due to a national emergency.
A lot of safeguards that vaccines normally go through were not followed here.
Until we get a vaccine that is not experimental...I won't even consider it.

Yeah. Not sure why this concept is so difficult to understand?

I'll let things play out for a couple of years on the vaccines and take the >1% risk from Covid.

It’s as simple as this.

Folks wanna get a shot, get it. If it works then you have nothing to worry about.

I saw a pic that explains it perfectly.
If your shot works, why do I need it?
If your shot doesn't work, why do I need it?

At this point, there is enough scientific evidence to show the vaccines work. EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN has been given the chance to get the vaccine at no cost. If one so chooses, fine. If one does not choose to get one, fine. BUT if you choose not to get the vaccine, and then get the virus, do not expect those who got the vaccine to have any thing more than a little compassion you are sick, by your own inaction. Nothing more.

(05-04-2021 11:14 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Bad news. Herd Immunity is not happening, partially because of the variants, and partially because a fairly large percentage of our population will never get vaccinated, and also because the covid is already too ingrained to reach herd immunity with one round of vaccinations. Boosters would be a yearly thing. If you think there's resistance now to the first shots...wait till they explain we are going to need more.

Good news. They are no longer setting up herd immunity as the goal. It's now referred to as the 'tipping point'.


https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/h...915586001/

It may not take true "herd immunity" to see a dramatic drop in COVID-19 cases. Some researchers say another 30 million to 40 million first shots could be enough for the United States to reach a vaccine tipping point and containment of the disease caused by the coronavirus.

"It's just another 10% to 15% more people," said Dr. Eric Topol, a professor of molecular medicine at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California.

Forty-four percent of the U.S. population has received at least one shot and 31% is fully vaccinated, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. A tipping point comes when enough people are vaccinated that COVID-19 cases begin to fall dramatically and the spread of the virus is contained – not stopped, but slowed enough to prevent large outbreaks.

Here's the problem.
If I wanted to spend 5 minutes, I could find 3 articles that contradict that one.
No consistency and we're all flying by the seat of our pants.
And for those just listening to the news and not watching the numbers, I have a scoop...Numbers are seriously dropping in the US. We just hit our lowest one week numbers since last September.

(05-04-2021 12:18 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  I was all prepared to get the J&J shot...then it broke out with the same results as its European cousin the Astra Zeneca vaccine did.. blood clots.
I already have a heart condition that puts me at greater risk for blood clots... so I said thanks but no thanks.

These vaccines are still experimental. They have not been cleared by the FDA. They were pressed into service due to a national emergency.
A lot of safeguards that vaccines normally go through were not followed here.
Until we get a vaccine that is not experimental...I won't even consider it.
For people who are saying "just get the vaccine", seemingly healthy folks have dropped dead after taking those shots. Uh...speaking for me...again, no thanks.
Even the J&J shot... a guy in D Iberville, MS had a massive stroke 4 hours after getting his vaccine.
As the meme says...it is not the government's job to look out for my health.
It is the government's job to look out for my rights.
It is MY job to look out for my own health. When you trade health for safety, you lose out on both.

It just seems to me that the odds of dying from the disease are greater than the odds of dying from the vaccine, even with these complications.

(05-04-2021 10:27 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  Some MLB teams are wanting to require a vaccine card to attend games and the states are telling them they can't. Buffalo's professional teams sent out a statement and Cuomo shot back that they can't. Texas and FL has or is going to pass legislation that you can't. Lawyers are saying they can. There is a supreme court case from the polio vaccine they ruled in favor of public safety. Just wonder how far this will go and be played out in court.

How this IS FRAUD

https://ambassadorlove.wordpress.com/202...he-vaxxed/

(05-04-2021 12:46 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:39 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  standing by January




Dave Champion has been discussing Covid since it began.
He's a very intelligent guy who has been keeping up with it in the news...and he talks about it here.

He's a PhD, and he is a former Army Ranger, with a background as a weapons instructor? I believe.
He has written books about taxes and personal health.

What creds does this guy have to speak on herd immunity?

what creds does Bill Gates have?
This guy at least has a PhD.
You are looking at his outward appearance, and not listening to what he has to say.
Appearances as they say... can be deceiving.
He has written a book about body health called "Body Science"... so he has some medical knowledge.

(05-04-2021 01:44 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 10:27 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  Some MLB teams are wanting to require a vaccine card to attend games and the states are telling them they can't. Buffalo's professional teams sent out a statement and Cuomo shot back that they can't. Texas and FL has or is going to pass legislation that you can't. Lawyers are saying they can. There is a supreme court case from the polio vaccine they ruled in favor of public safety. Just wonder how far this will go and be played out in court.

How this IS FRAUD

https://ambassadorlove.wordpress.com/202...he-vaxxed/

I have seen where a capful of beer tested positive for Covid.
Worked on Coca-Cola too. LOL