Second step on the agenda.. renaming to something not so racist as Washington...

making the football team change its name again.. Football's Footballteam.

(04-22-2021 02:00 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Second step on the agenda.. renaming to something not so racist as Washington...

making the football team change its name again.. Football's Footballteam.

The football team could be the Washington Douglass Brownskins.

I think I recall from my civics class that you cannot combine states, nor divide them. However, I've drank a good bit since then.

Article IV

Quote:Section 3
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

I would argue that D.C. is under the jurisdiction of all fifty states - which it is. As such, all fifty state legislatures would have to approve statehood.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 17. Federalists paper #43. This gets old.

(04-22-2021 02:48 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 02:40 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Article I, Section 8, Clause 17. Federalists paper #43. This gets old.

There you go. Congress has the exclusive legislative power (as stated in the Constitution) over DC, which was "purchased" (ceded) with the consent of the State legislatures at the time.

BTW, I'm not for DC statehood. However, I do think it's Constitutional.

You would be wrong. The federal government can NEVER be in charge of a state. That is the whole purpose of having a NON-STATE as the capital so the Federal Government can be in charge of it. That would be a quick 9-0 or 13-0 decision as it is written in black and white.

Quote:Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the document reads, “The Congress shall have Power To …exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States.”

It has been done.

(04-22-2021 02:48 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 02:40 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Article I, Section 8, Clause 17. Federalists paper #43. This gets old.

There you go. Congress has the exclusive legislative power (as stated in the Constitution) over DC, which was "purchased" (ceded) with the consent of the State legislatures at the time. #43 clearly argues Congress has exclusive legislative powers as well.

BTW I'm not for DC statehood. However, I do think it's Constitutional.

I believe your interpretation is incorrect. Congress has legislative power over the capitol, specifically not a state. Congress is supposed to run the capitol so a state won't have the ability to control it.

Quote:The Convention was moved to provide for the creation of a site in which to locate the Capital of the Nation, completely removed from the control of any state, because of the humiliation suffered by the Continental Congress on June 21, 1783. Some eighty soldiers, unpaid and weary, marched on the Congress sitting in Philadelphia, physically threatened and verbally abused the members, and caused the Congress to flee the City when neither municipal nor state authorities would take action to protect the members.1793 Thus, Madison noted that “[t]he indispensable necessity of complete authority at the seat of government, carries its own evidence with it. . . . Without it, not only the public authority might be insulted and its proceedings interrupted with impunity, but a dependence of the members of the general government on the State comprehending the seat of government, for protection in the exercise of their duty, might bring on the national council an imputation of awe or influence, equally dishonorable to the government and dissatisfactory to the other members of the confederacy.”

That is a compelling argument, but wouldn't D.C. have to ask to be state? Not that they couldn't get that done.

(04-22-2021 02:59 PM)Claw Wrote:  That is a compelling argument, but wouldn't D.C. have to ask to be state? Not that they couldn't get that done.

Who would they ask? They are part of the US government. That would be like an Airbase "asking" to be a state. It's not a coincidence the formation of airbases are in the same part of the Constitution as the formation of DC.

(04-22-2021 01:00 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I can't wait for NYC, Chicago, Houston and LA to start their statehood efforts.

Those cities already have their federal political representatives... so not sure why they're special to you?

(04-22-2021 03:03 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 01:00 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I can't wait for NYC, Chicago, Houston and LA to start their statehood efforts.

Those cities already have their federal political representatives... so not sure why they're special to you?

I just found some for DC as well:

It’s still (at the moment) legal in this country to move anywhere you like. Don’t like not having a vote for a democrat senator? Move down the street to Maryland.

(04-22-2021 03:06 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It’s still (at the moment) legal in this country to move anywhere you like. Don’t like not having a vote for a democrat senator? Move down the street to Maryland.

No! People in DC can't move. It's against the rules. I mean 3 miles is far too much to ask.

(04-22-2021 03:05 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 03:03 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 01:00 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I can't wait for NYC, Chicago, Houston and LA to start their statehood efforts.

Those cities already have their federal political representatives... so not sure why they're special to you?

I just found some for DC as well:

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You can wish for that to be the case but no... Maryland senators do not represent DC. They represent Maryland.

So. Who pays for all of the streets, fire protection, lights, social services etc.? And please no one say the City raises it. I'll give you a hint. D.C. gets more federal dollars per capita than the next 6 states combined. So, the next question would be, If D.C. does become a state how will they function on $12,000 per citizen as opposed to $67,000 per? Who needs representation, when the Federal Government pays for everything and damn near everyONE in the city? What a joke. The problem lies in the government letting citizens actually move into the boundaries. Should have never happened.

(04-22-2021 03:17 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So. Who pays for all of the streets, fire protection, lights, social services etc.? And please no one say the City raises it. I'll give you a hint. D.C. gets more federal dollars per capita than the next 6 states combined. So, the next question would be, If D.C. does become a state how will they function on $12,000 per citizen as opposed to $67,000 per? Who needs representation, when the Federal Government pays for everything and damn near everyONE in the city? What a joke. The problem lies in the government letting citizens actually move into the boundaries. Should have never happened.

My Dude, don't you get it? It's the perfect Welfare State. The WHOLE "State" will literally be on Federal assistance of some form. It's the Demos wet dream.

(04-22-2021 01:38 PM)JerryJeff Wrote:  I saw this today in the Wall Street Journal. If they are serious about "representation" here is the perfect solution.

Quote:Fashioning an independent seat of government in a federal system while affording representation to its residents is a dilemma dating to the founding. The Framers provided in the Constitution’s Article I that Congress could, “by cession of particular states,” control a small area in which the federal government would operate. In 1790 part of the territories of Virginia and Maryland, two of the 13 states that ratified the Constitution, were delineated for federal control.

Advocates of statehood brush aside the constitutional concerns and frame their cause as a simple question of democracy. It’s true that the roughly 700,000 residents of the District don’t have the ability to elect voting Members of Congress. Many hold influence over the federal government as employees and contractors or in other positions, and in the Founding era proximity to the seat of power was itself considered a form of representation.

Yet the natural remedy for the imperfect status quo, if representation is the real concern, would be for Congress to do something it has done before—return part of the District to the state that ceded it in the first place. That’s what happened in 1846 when Congress reinstated Virginia’s control over the D.C. suburbs of Arlington and Alexandria.

The D.C. Statehood Gambit

Exactly!!!
We don't need a new state when there are 2 neighboring states that could absorb those individuals so dying for representation

(04-22-2021 03:31 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

That's because the lobbyist knows the country will go down the tubes with inflation through the roof and no one will be able to spend $4,000 to see college kids dress up in life size animal costumes. Imagine what the State tax would be in D.C. if it were to become a state. Wow. They would have to come up with something to make up the $50,000 per capita payment the government is making per year somehow.

(04-22-2021 03:42 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 03:31 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

That's because the lobbyist knows the country will go down the tubes with inflation through the roof and no one will be able to spend $4,000 to see college kids dress up in life size animal costumes. Imagine what the State tax would be in D.C. if it were to become a state. Wow. They would have to come up with something to make up the $50,000 per capita payment the government is making per year somehow.

The average family of 4 spends $10,000 on a trip to Disney.