(04-19-2021 07:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Or the government is trying to make people believe that the government believes in UFOs. They designed something new and seems like its out of this world and ready to try it out...

"wasnt us"

BINGO!
I don't think they EVER say it wasn't us. They just say they are unidentified - because they are choosing not to identify them.

If they DO deny it, it is the Navy saying it isn't ours or the Air Force saying it isn't our. That is far from saying it is not U.S. military technology.

(04-20-2021 09:47 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I used to love the UFO stuff. I’ve seen a real honest to gosh one myself. But this is us. Hundreds of billions in pentagon black budgets can solve unsolvable problems.
The military are the ones reporting these things now. In military staging areas. Yeah, it’s us.

As strange as it may be, no one knows the speed of light

Einstein's work accurately predicts what we can see, and we see using light.

His formula's break down when matter approaches the speed of light, but I don't think that is because you can't exceed the speed of light. I think it is because you can't observe something going faster than the speed of light. Without the observation, you can't formulate the math to describe the behavior.

I think one of the reasons they have to smash things and hope to observe new particles is that those particles are normally exceeding the speed of light. The collision occasionally slows one down and they can observe it then.

Someday I'll be proven right and the world of new physics will be accredited to the Spin Room.

I am one that thinks it is just plain dumb to think that Earth is the only planet in the Universe that has intelligent life. Hell, I am also well aware that intelligent life on Earth is only a millisecond in time with regard to how long the Universe has been around. But one thing I feel certain is that if IL is visiting Earth, the last thing they need are lights on their craft. So anything with lights is not from another planet.

(04-20-2021 02:35 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  I am one that thinks it is just plain dumb to think that Earth is the only planet in the Universe that has intelligent life. Hell, I am also well aware that intelligent life on Earth is only a millisecond in time with regard to how long the Universe has been around. But one thing I feel certain is that if IL is visiting Earth, the last thing they need are lights on their craft. So anything with lights is not from another planet.

The question is if IL does visit Earth and lands today in Washington D.C. will they observe intelligent life? I doubt it. And if they meet with the POTUS I'm certain they won't! Now if they see all of the monuments and the fences perhaps they will think that it is our Global Zoo and afford the rest of us a bit more grace.

The Joe Rogan podcast with Bob Lazar (Spelling?) was really interesting. In that podcast I think he even mentions that we used to be working with the Russians on this technology, but then both sides quit working together. Even made a comment about how one aircraft was found in an excavation site of some sort, which would allude to these crafts being around for a very long time.
That isn't really that surprising, as the earth, and our civilization isn't really all that old.

Interesting stuff though to say the last.

Fantastic Footage

Article photos and video. The ufo splits in half after coming up out of the sea

(04-20-2021 03:08 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  The Joe Rogan podcast with Bob Lazar (Spelling?) was really interesting. In that podcast I think he even mentions that we used to be working with the Russians on this technology, but then both sides quit working together. Even made a comment about how one aircraft was found in an excavation site of some sort, which would allude to these crafts being around for a very long time.
That isn't really that surprising, as the earth, and our civilization isn't really all that old.

Interesting stuff though to say the last.

Consider this...

Let's say we discovered a transportation technology that worked, but humans could not survive using. That would be useless unless you could remotely pilot it. Perhaps now we have the technology to do that and there is a renewal in developing the technology.

Big announcement coming?

The US government is actually gearing up to share information about the “reality” of UFOs with the public — and not a moment too soon, says the man who claims to have run the Pentagon’s UFO program for 9 years.

Former President Donald Trump’s $2.3 trillion appropriation bill for 2021 contained a mandate that the Pentagon and spy agencies must file a report about “unidentified aerial phenomena” or UAP. Most of us just call them flying saucers or UFOs.

It's just another way to make money off the gullible public.

(04-24-2021 09:24 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Big announcement coming?

The US government is actually gearing up to share information about the “reality” of UFOs with the public — and not a moment too soon, says the man who claims to have run the Pentagon’s UFO program for 9 years.

Former President Donald Trump’s $2.3 trillion appropriation bill for 2021 contained a mandate that the Pentagon and spy agencies must file a report about “unidentified aerial phenomena” or UAP. Most of us just call them flying saucers or UFOs.

Let's assume for the moment that some UFO's or UAP's are not top secret military craft. If they truly are superior in every way and benevolent why don't they just land at the main nations' capitols and meet us? If they remain aloof the first assumption should be that they are likely to be more hostile. Or, it could be that we are truly so inferior that they examine us like an ant farm, in which case I wouldn't want to wind up in a plastic bag in an exhibit in their offspring's equivalent of a 6th grade science project. So perhaps the dumbest move ever was what Carl Sagan did by putting a map to Earth on Voyager I. If you don't know who's at the door you don't invite them in! Yet another possible disaster that could happen because we proclaim a fringe scientist brilliant and then trust their judgment. If sense doesn't coincide with common sense it isn't brilliant.

(04-24-2021 09:28 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  It's just another way to make money off the gullible public.

This....If the government thinks they can either gain more control or get more money out of us, they will do anything to do so. They know the public wants this to be true so they will use that to their advantage.

Boy is that cynical....but it is how I feel nowadays.

(04-24-2021 10:02 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 09:24 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Big announcement coming?

The US government is actually gearing up to share information about the “reality” of UFOs with the public — and not a moment too soon, says the man who claims to have run the Pentagon’s UFO program for 9 years.

Former President Donald Trump’s $2.3 trillion appropriation bill for 2021 contained a mandate that the Pentagon and spy agencies must file a report about “unidentified aerial phenomena” or UAP. Most of us just call them flying saucers or UFOs.

Let's assume for the moment that some UFO's or UAP's are not top secret military craft. If they truly are superior in every way and benevolent why don't they just land at the main nations' capitols and meet us? If they remain aloof the first assumption should be that they are likely to be more hostile. Or, it could be that we are truly so inferior that they examine us like an ant farm, in which case I wouldn't want to wind up in a plastic bag in an exhibit in their offspring's equivalent of a 6th grade science project. So perhaps the dumbest move ever was what Carl Sagan did by putting a map to Earth on Voyager I. If you don't know who's at the door you don't invite them in! Yet another possible disaster that could happen because we proclaim a fringe scientist brilliant and then trust their judgment. If sense doesn't coincide with common sense it isn't brilliant.

If there are alien civilizations we should not advertise our existence. I agree.

I never believed in UFOs but the footage coming out lately has been very interesting. Who knows what it is. Our new technology? China or Russian technology? Aliens? Alien probes? Time traveling from future humans. Disinformation campaign by our government? Who knows... but it does seem like something big is cooking.

(04-24-2021 10:52 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 10:02 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 09:24 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Big announcement coming?

The US government is actually gearing up to share information about the “reality” of UFOs with the public — and not a moment too soon, says the man who claims to have run the Pentagon’s UFO program for 9 years.

Former President Donald Trump’s $2.3 trillion appropriation bill for 2021 contained a mandate that the Pentagon and spy agencies must file a report about “unidentified aerial phenomena” or UAP. Most of us just call them flying saucers or UFOs.

Let's assume for the moment that some UFO's or UAP's are not top secret military craft. If they truly are superior in every way and benevolent why don't they just land at the main nations' capitols and meet us? If they remain aloof the first assumption should be that they are likely to be more hostile. Or, it could be that we are truly so inferior that they examine us like an ant farm, in which case I wouldn't want to wind up in a plastic bag in an exhibit in their offspring's equivalent of a 6th grade science project. So perhaps the dumbest move ever was what Carl Sagan did by putting a map to Earth on Voyager I. If you don't know who's at the door you don't invite them in! Yet another possible disaster that could happen because we proclaim a fringe scientist brilliant and then trust their judgment. If sense doesn't coincide with common sense it isn't brilliant.

If there are alien civilizations we should not advertise our existence. I agree.

I never believed in UFOs but the footage coming out lately has been very interesting. Who knows what it is. Our new technology? China or Russian technology? Aliens? Alien probes? Time traveling from future humans. Disinformation campaign by our government? Who knows... but it does seem like something big is cooking.

I've seen UAP's on 2 different occasions in my life, to use the latest lingo. The first event consisted of a pair of orange glowing cigar shaped objects that settled over the woods by the river about a mile from my grandmother's home. My father, an active fighter pilot at the time, and another uncle who was a navigator on transport planes, both officers, saw them too. Dad called Ft. Rucker which pronounced them to be the ubiquitous swamp gas. They came in slowly, settled, and then shot straight out and gone in a matter of seconds. This was the mid 1960's. There was no sound and no visible means of propulsion. Nobody knew what they were but swamp gas doesn't exit the atmosphere in a matter of seconds in a streak.

The second time I was finishing up finals and headed home at 2:00AM and just leaving Montgomery headed south and was stopped at the last traffic light before open highway. There was nobody at the light with me and all of the sudden I got the bright light on me thing like in Close Encounters. I thought it must be a Police Helicopter looking for someone. I turned off my stereo, rolled down the window and heard nothing. We were probably half a decade away from whisper mode on helicopters and I couldn't see anything looking up. The light shut off and the object disappeared over the horizon, heading South as well, in about 3 seconds. I could probably see for 3 or 4 miles where I was and nothing we had traveled that fast, especially from a silent hover. Unlike Richard Dreyfus I had no sunburn from looking up.

Needless to say I didn't report it. Nobody wants to go through that.

So there's something going on, whether truly top secret black ops programs or ET, something is going on and has been for decades. When I watch the tic tac videos, and that's what the Navy pilots named these objects, I noted the instantaneous acceleration, the impossible right angle high G turns, and no visible means of propulsion. If this is black ops its anti gravity and unmanned. If it's not it is definitely well advanced over anyone's conventional flight vehicles. I've known other service people who have seen them. My father never saw one while in flight, just the two at my grandmother's house nearly 60 years ago.

So either we are so advanced that we may actually have a space force already, or there's something out there more more dangerous to us than the drooling, toddling geriatric in the White House.

(04-20-2021 02:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-20-2021 02:35 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  I am one that thinks it is just plain dumb to think that Earth is the only planet in the Universe that has intelligent life. Hell, I am also well aware that intelligent life on Earth is only a millisecond in time with regard to how long the Universe has been around. But one thing I feel certain is that if IL is visiting Earth, the last thing they need are lights on their craft. So anything with lights is not from another planet.

The question is if IL does visit Earth and lands today in Washington D.C. will they observe intelligent life? I doubt it. And if they meet with the POTUS I'm certain they won't! Now if they see all of the monuments and the fences perhaps they will think that it is our Global Zoo and afford the rest of us a bit more grace.

“Take us to your leader.”.....”OK, but you’ll have to wear your mask.”

(04-24-2021 10:02 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 09:24 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Big announcement coming?

The US government is actually gearing up to share information about the “reality” of UFOs with the public — and not a moment too soon, says the man who claims to have run the Pentagon’s UFO program for 9 years.

Former President Donald Trump’s $2.3 trillion appropriation bill for 2021 contained a mandate that the Pentagon and spy agencies must file a report about “unidentified aerial phenomena” or UAP. Most of us just call them flying saucers or UFOs.

Let's assume for the moment that some UFO's or UAP's are not top secret military craft. If they truly are superior in every way and benevolent why don't they just land at the main nations' capitols and meet us? If they remain aloof the first assumption should be that they are likely to be more hostile. Or, it could be that we are truly so inferior that they examine us like an ant farm, in which case I wouldn't want to wind up in a plastic bag in an exhibit in their offspring's equivalent of a 6th grade science project. So perhaps the dumbest move ever was what Carl Sagan did by putting a map to Earth on Voyager I. If you don't know who's at the door you don't invite them in! Yet another possible disaster that could happen because we proclaim a fringe scientist brilliant and then trust their judgment. If sense doesn't coincide with common sense it isn't brilliant.

If you think about it for a moment you’ll come to the conclusion that they will not be hostile. What reason would they? If they can travel the universe the only real need they would have is to quench a thirst for more knowledge. They would have no real need for earth or any of our resources. No need to ‘eat’ us or anything else for that matter. We have nothing to fear from highly intelligent beings. The only beings we should fear are those that would reside in our own neighborhood and we haven’t seen any sign that there are any of those.
Perhaps the reason they would not land and show themselves is indeed some kind of Trekky prime directive.

(04-24-2021 11:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 10:52 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 10:02 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 09:24 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Big announcement coming?

The US government is actually gearing up to share information about the “reality” of UFOs with the public — and not a moment too soon, says the man who claims to have run the Pentagon’s UFO program for 9 years.

Former President Donald Trump’s $2.3 trillion appropriation bill for 2021 contained a mandate that the Pentagon and spy agencies must file a report about “unidentified aerial phenomena” or UAP. Most of us just call them flying saucers or UFOs.

Let's assume for the moment that some UFO's or UAP's are not top secret military craft. If they truly are superior in every way and benevolent why don't they just land at the main nations' capitols and meet us? If they remain aloof the first assumption should be that they are likely to be more hostile. Or, it could be that we are truly so inferior that they examine us like an ant farm, in which case I wouldn't want to wind up in a plastic bag in an exhibit in their offspring's equivalent of a 6th grade science project. So perhaps the dumbest move ever was what Carl Sagan did by putting a map to Earth on Voyager I. If you don't know who's at the door you don't invite them in! Yet another possible disaster that could happen because we proclaim a fringe scientist brilliant and then trust their judgment. If sense doesn't coincide with common sense it isn't brilliant.

If there are alien civilizations we should not advertise our existence. I agree.

I never believed in UFOs but the footage coming out lately has been very interesting. Who knows what it is. Our new technology? China or Russian technology? Aliens? Alien probes? Time traveling from future humans. Disinformation campaign by our government? Who knows... but it does seem like something big is cooking.

I've seen UAP's on 2 different occasions in my life, to use the latest lingo. The first event consisted of a pair of orange glowing cigar shaped objects that settled over the woods by the river about a mile from my grandmother's home. My father, an active fighter pilot at the time, and another uncle who was a navigator on transport planes, both officers, saw them too. Dad called Ft. Rucker which pronounced them to be the ubiquitous swamp gas. They came in slowly, settled, and then shot straight out and gone in a matter of seconds. This was the mid 1960's. There was no sound and no visible means of propulsion. Nobody knew what they were but swamp gas doesn't exit the atmosphere in a matter of seconds in a streak.

The second time I was finishing up finals and headed home at 2:00AM and just leaving Montgomery headed south and was stopped at the last traffic light before open highway. There was nobody at the light with me and all of the sudden I got the bright light on me thing like in Close Encounters. I thought it must be a Police Helicopter looking for someone. I turned off my stereo, rolled down the window and heard nothing. We were probably half a decade away from whisper mode on helicopters and I couldn't see anything looking up. The light shut off and the object disappeared over the horizon, heading South as well, in about 3 seconds. I could probably see for 3 or 4 miles where I was and nothing we had traveled that fast, especially from a silent hover. Unlike Richard Dreyfus I had no sunburn from looking up.

Needless to say I didn't report it. Nobody wants to go through that.

So there's something going on, whether truly top secret black ops programs or ET, something is going on and has been for decades. When I watch the tic tac videos, and that's what the Navy pilots named these objects, I noted the instantaneous acceleration, the impossible right angle high G turns, and no visible means of propulsion. If this is black ops its anti gravity and unmanned. If it's not it is definitely well advanced over anyone's conventional flight vehicles. I've known other service people who have seen them. My father never saw one while in flight, just the two at my grandmother's house nearly 60 years ago.

So either we are so advanced that we may actually have a space force already, or there's something out there more more dangerous to us than the drooling, toddling geriatric in the White House.

What I saw was on a flight home from Europe about 20 years ago. We were over Baltimore or Boston, really can’t remember which. I was looking out of the window from my window seat which I always do when flying. I observed a grey metallic perfect cylinder about the size of a 55 gallon drum pass by the plane as if it were motionless in the air at 30,000 feet. I would guess maybe 75 yards from the plane. The best way I could describe the way it looked was as if you were on the highway in the back seat of a car and someone in the front threw a beer can out of the window and you observed it passing the back window. I clearly saw it and have no idea what it could have been but it should not have been where it was.

I have always doubted individuals that claim to have seen UFOs, but I have never doubted for a second there is life out there and it is possible they can "visit" us.

I dont think most people are lying about seeing UFOs, but I tend to lean towards there being an explanation in most cases (not all).

(04-24-2021 09:24 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Big announcement coming?

The US government is actually gearing up to share information about the “reality” of UFOs with the public — and not a moment too soon, says the man who claims to have run the Pentagon’s UFO program for 9 years.

Former President Donald Trump’s $2.3 trillion appropriation bill for 2021 contained a mandate that the Pentagon and spy agencies must file a report about “unidentified aerial phenomena” or UAP. Most of us just call them flying saucers or UFOs.

The Donald bucked the system.

"...Former President Donald Trump’s $2.3 trillion appropriation bill for 2021 contained a mandate that the Pentagon and spy agencies must file a report about “unidentified aerial phenomena” or UAP. Most of us just call them flying saucers or UFOs...."

That said, I doubt there are aliens among us. Yes, there is a good chance there is life elsewhere in our galaxy, let alone the universe, with all the billions of stars. But you still have to have a society that is technological at the SAME TIME as us. That society has to survive long enough. Our history is that we have repeated dark ages that take centuries to recover from. With the spread of nuclear technology and possible global warming, a collapse of civilization in the next couple hundred years is a distinct possibility. I think you can look at all the advanced western societies with their declining birth rates while the less advanced countries have ballooning birth rates and see another path to collapse.

So if you assume a society advances, they have to be able to travel here. That is the biggest rub. Intelligent life surviving faster than light travel seems to be a real stretch. Most of the universe is very, very far away. Alpha Centauri is 4 light years away. That's the closest star system. If you go 1% of the speed of light, that's still nearly 7 million miles per hour and would take 400 years from Alpha Centauri. The gap between stars means a gradual colonization of neighboring star systems would be almost impossible to sustain as a single civilization.

So while a really advanced civilization may have sent unmanned vehicles, I don't see any aliens here.

I can't believe people actually believe in "global warming".

(04-25-2021 09:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 09:24 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Big announcement coming?

The US government is actually gearing up to share information about the “reality” of UFOs with the public — and not a moment too soon, says the man who claims to have run the Pentagon’s UFO program for 9 years.

Former President Donald Trump’s $2.3 trillion appropriation bill for 2021 contained a mandate that the Pentagon and spy agencies must file a report about “unidentified aerial phenomena” or UAP. Most of us just call them flying saucers or UFOs.

The Donald bucked the system.

"...Former President Donald Trump’s $2.3 trillion appropriation bill for 2021 contained a mandate that the Pentagon and spy agencies must file a report about “unidentified aerial phenomena” or UAP. Most of us just call them flying saucers or UFOs...."

That said, I doubt there are aliens among us. Yes, there is a good chance there is life elsewhere in our galaxy, let alone the universe, with all the billions of stars. But you still have to have a society that is technological at the SAME TIME as us. That society has to survive long enough. Our history is that we have repeated dark ages that take centuries to recover from. With the spread of nuclear technology and possible global warming, a collapse of civilization in the next couple hundred years is a distinct possibility. I think you can look at all the advanced western societies with their declining birth rates while the less advanced countries have ballooning birth rates and see another path to collapse.

So if you assume a society advances, they have to be able to travel here. That is the biggest rub. Intelligent life surviving faster than light travel seems to be a real stretch. Most of the universe is very, very far away. Alpha Centauri is 4 light years away. That's the closest star system. If you go 1% of the speed of light, that's still nearly 7 million miles per hour and would take 400 years from Alpha Centauri. The gap between stars means a gradual colonization of neighboring star systems would be almost impossible to sustain as a single civilization.

So while a really advanced civilization may have sent unmanned vehicles, I don't see any aliens here.

This is my guess. Unmanned probes. I don’t think they are flying from distant planets either.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go....724&page=1



Kaku explained: "In school we learned that a straight line is the shortest distance between two points. But actually that's not true. You see, if you fold the sheet of paper and punch a hole through it, you begin to realize that a wormhole is the shortest distance between two points."

A civilization that could harness the power of stars might be able to use that shortcut through space and time, and perhaps bridge the vast distances of space to reach Earth, he said.