(04-19-2021 06:54 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:37 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:22 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 03:30 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  You are very knowledgeable, certainly much more than I am. But I have to ask this: why does the ACC have to give up two teams and give them to the SEC? Can the ACC, the Big 12, and the ESPN make a deal without the SEC?

Everyone here is just guessing and theorizing. None of us know how things will shake out. No one was able to foresee Nebraska to the BIG or Missouri to the SEC until it happened. No one saw Pitt and SU going to the ACC until it happened. We will all be equally surprised how things shake out in the future when it actually happens. That is my theory.

I agree...

I however have to admit I want to see public entities form an organization to limits the earning potential of other public entities.

The anarchist in me wants to see the whole system blown up. There is absolutely no reason schools should be forced into conference relationships for access to games at the highest levels of a sport.

A sport that’s wholly bought and paid for by the taxpayers.

Mostly paid for by taxpayers. Privates get their money from a variety of sources, but not the state. State schools get money from a variety of sources but also the state.

The rub here Jim is that major corporations control the lobby on both sides of the aisle in Washington. If their ox get gored there will be action. If they are the ones goring the ox, you'll hear crickets.

I can tell you there is enough corporate money behind UofL to buy any university in the south. How do you think Louisville manages to stay in the Top 20 - 25 in College Athletics income every year.

Personally I would like to see all the conferences dissolved and let the schools that make the money, keep the money.

Let’s level the playing field and let urban institutions like Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis pay players.

I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut there in more corporate money in the cities than there is in Lexington, Knoxville or about anywhere in the SEC.

Let’s all just stop pretending that players aren’t being bought and paid for at Alabama and open the auction up for players.

Uh no. The SEC is awash in corporate money. All conferences are. Don't you realize that everything that has been happening to college football is corporately driven from Disney to the athletic gear industry to AT&T, Gulf, Alabama, and Georgia Power, Oil and Gas in the Big 12, Tech in the PAC, heck Apple's CEO is an Auburn Grad. He got his masters at Duke. He supports both.

And one things for sure, when it gets corporatized it changes forever and loses any semblance of being your good ole Alma Mater, no matter the conference, no matter the school. I'm not a fan of going there. I am a fan of compensating the players, but above board so you don't make kids complicit to deception. It's way too cynical of a world already.

The following is Jr's concept:

Football prizes in Red
Football second tier in Blue
Dogs in Green

ACC West

Texas, TT, OU, OSU, KSU (Baylor or TCU)

ACC South

Duke, WF[/color], Clemson, FSU, Louisville, GT

ACC East

Syracuse, Pitt, BC, VT, UVa, UNC

SEC East

West Virginia, NC State, SC, UGa, Florida, Miami (With WVa the SEC network gets into Va/WVa/Pa/MD area

SEC South

Kentucky, TN, Auburn, Bama, Ole Miss, MSU

SEC West

Kansas, Mizzou, Arkansas, , LSU, TAMU Vandy

Only Iowa State and one of Baylor or TCU is out.

Cross league rivals made are NC State and UNC/WF/Clemson - WVa and VT/Pitt - Kansas/K-State - Miami and FSU - TAMU and TT/TCU

Screw this, I am tired of messing with the bold and the color.

(04-19-2021 07:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:54 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:37 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:22 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Everyone here is just guessing and theorizing. None of us know how things will shake out. No one was able to foresee Nebraska to the BIG or Missouri to the SEC until it happened. No one saw Pitt and SU going to the ACC until it happened. We will all be equally surprised how things shake out in the future when it actually happens. That is my theory.

I agree...

I however have to admit I want to see public entities form an organization to limits the earning potential of other public entities.

The anarchist in me wants to see the whole system blown up. There is absolutely no reason schools should be forced into conference relationships for access to games at the highest levels of a sport.

A sport that’s wholly bought and paid for by the taxpayers.

Mostly paid for by taxpayers. Privates get their money from a variety of sources, but not the state. State schools get money from a variety of sources but also the state.

The rub here Jim is that major corporations control the lobby on both sides of the aisle in Washington. If their ox get gored there will be action. If they are the ones goring the ox, you'll hear crickets.

I can tell you there is enough corporate money behind UofL to buy any university in the south. How do you think Louisville manages to stay in the Top 20 - 25 in College Athletics income every year.

Personally I would like to see all the conferences dissolved and let the schools that make the money, keep the money.

Let’s level the playing field and let urban institutions like Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis pay players.

I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut there in more corporate money in the cities than there is in Lexington, Knoxville or about anywhere in the SEC.

Let’s all just stop pretending that players aren’t being bought and paid for at Alabama and open the auction up for players.

Uh no. The SEC is awash in corporate money. All conferences are. Don't you realize that everything that has been happening to college football is corporately driven from Disney to the athletic gear industry to AT&T, Gulf, Alabama, and Georgia Power, Oil and Gas in the Big 12, Tech in the PAC, heck Apple's CEO is an Auburn Grad. He got his masters at Duke. He supports both.

And one things for sure, when it gets corporatized it changes forever and loses any semblance of being your good ole Alma Mater, no matter the conference, no matter the school. I'm not a fan of going there. I am a fan of compensating the players, but above board so you don't make kids complicit to deception. It's way too cynical of a world already.

The point is we are already there. The reports of SEC universities having bagmen delivering cash have been out there for decades. I say bring it all out in the open. Level the playing field.

Let Adidas pay the number one college football what he’s worth to attend an Adidas university. You and I both know that’s what is happening with Nike and its schools.

College Athletics is dirty. It needs to be cleaned up. If you want to compete at the highest level you better have a big checkbook.

(04-19-2021 07:14 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 07:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:54 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:37 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I agree...

I however have to admit I want to see public entities form an organization to limits the earning potential of other public entities.

The anarchist in me wants to see the whole system blown up. There is absolutely no reason schools should be forced into conference relationships for access to games at the highest levels of a sport.

A sport that’s wholly bought and paid for by the taxpayers.

Mostly paid for by taxpayers. Privates get their money from a variety of sources, but not the state. State schools get money from a variety of sources but also the state.

The rub here Jim is that major corporations control the lobby on both sides of the aisle in Washington. If their ox get gored there will be action. If they are the ones goring the ox, you'll hear crickets.

I can tell you there is enough corporate money behind UofL to buy any university in the south. How do you think Louisville manages to stay in the Top 20 - 25 in College Athletics income every year.

Personally I would like to see all the conferences dissolved and let the schools that make the money, keep the money.

Let’s level the playing field and let urban institutions like Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis pay players.

I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut there in more corporate money in the cities than there is in Lexington, Knoxville or about anywhere in the SEC.

Let’s all just stop pretending that players aren’t being bought and paid for at Alabama and open the auction up for players.

Uh no. The SEC is awash in corporate money. All conferences are. Don't you realize that everything that has been happening to college football is corporately driven from Disney to the athletic gear industry to AT&T, Gulf, Alabama, and Georgia Power, Oil and Gas in the Big 12, Tech in the PAC, heck Apple's CEO is an Auburn Grad. He got his masters at Duke. He supports both.

And one things for sure, when it gets corporatized it changes forever and loses any semblance of being your good ole Alma Mater, no matter the conference, no matter the school. I'm not a fan of going there. I am a fan of compensating the players, but above board so you don't make kids complicit to deception. It's way too cynical of a world already.

The point is we are already there. The reports of SEC universities having bagmen delivering cash have been out there for decades. I say bring it all out in the open. Level the playing field.

Let Adidas pay the number one college football what he’s worth to attend an Adidas university. You and I both know that’s what is happening with Nike and its schools.

College Athletics is dirty. It needs to be cleaned up. If you want to compete at the highest level you better have a big checkbook.

Jim, I traveled 3 states exclusively in the 80's and part of the 90's and 3 more part of the time and followed up on recruiting violations. Bagmen have been here forever and in the day the Big 8, SWC, ACC, SEC, and Metro, as well as the Big 10 and Big East schools that recruited the Southeast all had them. The only two program that recruited my area that was clean at the time was Georgia Tech under Bill Curry. Duke and Vanderbilt didn't try. I turn violators into their presidents and if they didn't drop recruitment then the NCAA got it, but from one of my superiors. Two schools faced some tough sanctions as a result. One was in the SEC and the other was in the SWC. But all of the schools were guilty of sending ringers to take tests, or providing cash, or jobs to parents as was the case with the SEC school, or cars as was the case with the SWC school. I talked to the high school English teacher of one prominent recruit and asked about his academic abilities. She told me he could make a legible X. The school that got him had him for 1 year before he flunked out, which mind you for a star football player was damned hard to do.

Nothing amuses me more than to hear people accuse the SEC of bagmen. I've seen 'em from all over the country and the bagman died out in the SEC in 90's and was replaced by a much harder to track method which was employed by a school that certain NCAA officials were leading at the time, uh huh.

It's why I hate the NCAA, hate that they make any of the kids participate in this mess, and am fine with pay for play. But if you think its the SEC that needs to come clean you have missed the mark by miles. Basketball recruiting was just as dirty and both Kentucky schools hip deep.

(04-19-2021 07:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The following is Jr's concept:

Football prizes in Red
Football second tier in Blue
Dogs in Green

ACC West

Texas, TT, OU, OSU, KSU (Baylor or TCU)

ACC South

Duke, WF[/color], Clemson, FSU, Louisville, GT

ACC East

Syracuse, Pitt, BC, VT, UVa, UNC

SEC East

West Virginia, NC State, SC, UGa, Florida, Miami (With WVa the SEC network gets into Va/WVa/Pa/MD area

SEC South

Kentucky, TN, Auburn, Bama, Ole Miss, MSU

SEC West

Kansas, Mizzou, Arkansas, , LSU, TAMU Vandy

Only Iowa State and one of Baylor or TCU is out.

Cross league rivals made are NC State and UNC/WF/Clemson - WVa and VT/Pitt - Kansas/K-State - Miami and FSU - TAMU and TT/TCU

Screw this, I am tired of messing with the bold and the color.

There is no point in wasting good assets.
1- place TCU in the ACC west
2-take Kansas out of the SEC West and replace them with Baylor
3-ESPN offers Iowa State and Kansas to the B1G for "considerations"

(04-19-2021 08:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 07:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The following is Jr's concept:

Football prizes in Red
Football second tier in Blue
Dogs in Green

ACC West

Texas, TT, OU, OSU, KSU (Baylor or TCU)

ACC South

Duke, WF[/color], Clemson, FSU, Louisville, GT

ACC East

Syracuse, Pitt, BC, VT, UVa, UNC

SEC East

West Virginia, NC State, SC, UGa, Florida, Miami (With WVa the SEC network gets into Va/WVa/Pa/MD area

SEC South

Kentucky, TN, Auburn, Bama, Ole Miss, MSU

SEC West

Kansas, Mizzou, Arkansas, , LSU, TAMU Vandy

Only Iowa State and one of Baylor or TCU is out.

Cross league rivals made are NC State and UNC/WF/Clemson - WVa and VT/Pitt - Kansas/K-State - Miami and FSU - TAMU and TT/TCU

Screw this, I am tired of messing with the bold and the color.

There is no point in wasting good assets.
1- place TCU in the ACC west
2-take Kansas out of the SEC West and replace them with Baylor
3-ESPN offers Iowa State and Kansas to the B1G for "considerations"

Can the Big Ten have Pittsburgh and Syracuse instead of ISU and Kansas?

(04-19-2021 09:23 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 08:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 07:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The following is Jr's concept:

Football prizes in Red
Football second tier in Blue
Dogs in Green

ACC West

Texas, TT, OU, OSU, KSU (Baylor or TCU)

ACC South

Duke, WF[/color], Clemson, FSU, Louisville, GT

ACC East

Syracuse, Pitt, BC, VT, UVa, UNC

SEC East

West Virginia, NC State, SC, UGa, Florida, Miami (With WVa the SEC network gets into Va/WVa/Pa/MD area

SEC South

Kentucky, TN, Auburn, Bama, Ole Miss, MSU

SEC West

Kansas, Mizzou, Arkansas, , LSU, TAMU Vandy

Only Iowa State and one of Baylor or TCU is out.

Cross league rivals made are NC State and UNC/WF/Clemson - WVa and VT/Pitt - Kansas/K-State - Miami and FSU - TAMU and TT/TCU

Screw this, I am tired of messing with the bold and the color.

There is no point in wasting good assets.
1- place TCU in the ACC west
2-take Kansas out of the SEC West and replace them with Baylor
3-ESPN offers Iowa State and Kansas to the B1G for "considerations"

Can the Big Ten have Pittsburgh and Syracuse instead of ISU and Kansas?

Sorry, too late, but I think we could work out a trade of Boston College for Maryland.

(04-19-2021 08:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 07:14 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 07:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:54 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Mostly paid for by taxpayers. Privates get their money from a variety of sources, but not the state. State schools get money from a variety of sources but also the state.

The rub here Jim is that major corporations control the lobby on both sides of the aisle in Washington. If their ox get gored there will be action. If they are the ones goring the ox, you'll hear crickets.

I can tell you there is enough corporate money behind UofL to buy any university in the south. How do you think Louisville manages to stay in the Top 20 - 25 in College Athletics income every year.

Personally I would like to see all the conferences dissolved and let the schools that make the money, keep the money.

Let’s level the playing field and let urban institutions like Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis pay players.

I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut there in more corporate money in the cities than there is in Lexington, Knoxville or about anywhere in the SEC.

Let’s all just stop pretending that players aren’t being bought and paid for at Alabama and open the auction up for players.

Uh no. The SEC is awash in corporate money. All conferences are. Don't you realize that everything that has been happening to college football is corporately driven from Disney to the athletic gear industry to AT&T, Gulf, Alabama, and Georgia Power, Oil and Gas in the Big 12, Tech in the PAC, heck Apple's CEO is an Auburn Grad. He got his masters at Duke. He supports both.

And one things for sure, when it gets corporatized it changes forever and loses any semblance of being your good ole Alma Mater, no matter the conference, no matter the school. I'm not a fan of going there. I am a fan of compensating the players, but above board so you don't make kids complicit to deception. It's way too cynical of a world already.

The point is we are already there. The reports of SEC universities having bagmen delivering cash have been out there for decades. I say bring it all out in the open. Level the playing field.

Let Adidas pay the number one college football what he’s worth to attend an Adidas university. You and I both know that’s what is happening with Nike and its schools.

College Athletics is dirty. It needs to be cleaned up. If you want to compete at the highest level you better have a big checkbook.

Jim, I traveled 3 states exclusively in the 80's and part of the 90's and 3 more part of the time and followed up on recruiting violations. Bagmen have been here forever and in the day the Big 8, SWC, ACC, SEC, and Metro, as well as the Big 10 and Big East schools that recruited the Southeast all had them. The only two program that recruited my area that was clean at the time was Georgia Tech under Bill Curry. Duke and Vanderbilt didn't try. I turn violators into their presidents and if they didn't drop recruitment then the NCAA got it, but from one of my superiors. Two schools faced some tough sanctions as a result. One was in the SEC and the other was in the SWC. But all of the schools were guilty of sending ringers to take tests, or providing cash, or jobs to parents as was the case with the SEC school, or cars as was the case with the SWC school. I talked to the high school English teacher of one prominent recruit and asked about his academic abilities. She told me he could make a legible X. The school that got him had him for 1 year before he flunked out, which mind you for a star football player was damned hard to do.

Nothing amuses me more than to hear people accuse the SEC of bagmen. I've seen 'em from all over the country and the bagman died out in the SEC in 90's and was replaced by a much harder to track method which was employed by a school that certain NCAA officials were leading at the time, uh huh.

It's why I hate the NCAA, hate that they make any of the kids participate in this mess, and am fine with pay for play. But if you think its the SEC that needs to come clean you have missed the mark by miles. Basketball recruiting was just as dirty and both Kentucky schools hip deep.

The bagmen are certainly involved in basketball through AAU connections. The SEC isn’t the only conference into buying players. They are however the most successful.

That’s why we need to start paying players whatever the market and the schools can afford. If we are going to pay players what they are worth lets bring it out into the open. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

(04-19-2021 02:41 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-18-2021 10:22 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(04-18-2021 01:11 AM)7thHeaven Wrote:  I know it sounds crazy but what if the ACC and Big12 merge and create a Super Conference? The focus currently for both conferences is keeping up with the SEC and BIG10. The merge would solve every problem. I know everyone says that’s to many schools but what’s the difference? Louisville has been in the ACC for years now and 2020 was the first time they played VT, so what would be the difference? You could setup must see TV matches or have 4 divisions etc. The possibility would be unlimited and the conference championship game would be epic. Do like 2020 and play conference games only for maximum exposure and viewership. The TV market would be second to none and the SEC and Big10 wouldn’t know what to do.

I think if they were to do that it would be pieced together. You’d likely end up with 16 teams. An East/West format. Do a 9 game conference schedule, so you’d play everyone in your division plus 2 from the other side. Then require at least one P5 OOC game.

East
Clemson
FSU
Miami
VT
GT
UNC
Louisville
NCST

West
ND
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Nebraska
Kansas
TCU

I don't think you need 16 when 12 will do; and you're not getting Nebraska out of the B1G:

East
-----
Clemson
FSU
Miami
VT
GT
ND

West
-----
Baylor
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
TCU

Putting together the brands in the 16 team conference would be a very strong tv contract (Honestly I think higher than the Big 10 without Nebraska). Nebraska is not happy in the Big 10 and would jump at the opportunity to be reunited with old rivals along with the additions of FSU, Clemson and ND IMO.

(04-19-2021 07:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The following is Jr's concept:

Football prizes in Red
Football second tier in Blue
Dogs in Green

ACC West

Texas, TT, OU, OSU, KSU (Baylor or TCU)

ACC South

Duke, WF[/color], Clemson, FSU, Louisville, GT

ACC East

Syracuse, Pitt, BC, VT, UVa, UNC

SEC East

West Virginia, NC State, SC, UGa, Florida, Miami (With WVa the SEC network gets into Va/WVa/Pa/MD area

SEC South

Kentucky, TN, Auburn, Bama, Ole Miss, MSU

SEC West

Kansas, Mizzou, Arkansas, , LSU, TAMU Vandy

Only Iowa State and one of Baylor or TCU is out.

Cross league rivals made are NC State and UNC/WF/Clemson - WVa and VT/Pitt - Kansas/K-State - Miami and FSU - TAMU and TT/TCU

Screw this, I am tired of messing with the bold and the color.

BTW your ACC divisions are off
The coastal would remain as is: GT, Carolina, Duke, Pitt, UVa, VT (that's 4 blues and one green)

other: Syracuse, BC, Louisville, Clemson, FSU, Wake Forest (2 reds, one blue and one green)

That way the divisions are a little more balanced.

(04-20-2021 05:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 08:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 07:14 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 07:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 06:54 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I can tell you there is enough corporate money behind UofL to buy any university in the south. How do you think Louisville manages to stay in the Top 20 - 25 in College Athletics income every year.

Personally I would like to see all the conferences dissolved and let the schools that make the money, keep the money.

Let’s level the playing field and let urban institutions like Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis pay players.

I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut there in more corporate money in the cities than there is in Lexington, Knoxville or about anywhere in the SEC.

Let’s all just stop pretending that players aren’t being bought and paid for at Alabama and open the auction up for players.

Uh no. The SEC is awash in corporate money. All conferences are. Don't you realize that everything that has been happening to college football is corporately driven from Disney to the athletic gear industry to AT&T, Gulf, Alabama, and Georgia Power, Oil and Gas in the Big 12, Tech in the PAC, heck Apple's CEO is an Auburn Grad. He got his masters at Duke. He supports both.

And one things for sure, when it gets corporatized it changes forever and loses any semblance of being your good ole Alma Mater, no matter the conference, no matter the school. I'm not a fan of going there. I am a fan of compensating the players, but above board so you don't make kids complicit to deception. It's way too cynical of a world already.

The point is we are already there. The reports of SEC universities having bagmen delivering cash have been out there for decades. I say bring it all out in the open. Level the playing field.

Let Adidas pay the number one college football what he’s worth to attend an Adidas university. You and I both know that’s what is happening with Nike and its schools.

College Athletics is dirty. It needs to be cleaned up. If you want to compete at the highest level you better have a big checkbook.

Jim, I traveled 3 states exclusively in the 80's and part of the 90's and 3 more part of the time and followed up on recruiting violations. Bagmen have been here forever and in the day the Big 8, SWC, ACC, SEC, and Metro, as well as the Big 10 and Big East schools that recruited the Southeast all had them. The only two program that recruited my area that was clean at the time was Georgia Tech under Bill Curry. Duke and Vanderbilt didn't try. I turn violators into their presidents and if they didn't drop recruitment then the NCAA got it, but from one of my superiors. Two schools faced some tough sanctions as a result. One was in the SEC and the other was in the SWC. But all of the schools were guilty of sending ringers to take tests, or providing cash, or jobs to parents as was the case with the SEC school, or cars as was the case with the SWC school. I talked to the high school English teacher of one prominent recruit and asked about his academic abilities. She told me he could make a legible X. The school that got him had him for 1 year before he flunked out, which mind you for a star football player was damned hard to do.

Nothing amuses me more than to hear people accuse the SEC of bagmen. I've seen 'em from all over the country and the bagman died out in the SEC in 90's and was replaced by a much harder to track method which was employed by a school that certain NCAA officials were leading at the time, uh huh.

It's why I hate the NCAA, hate that they make any of the kids participate in this mess, and am fine with pay for play. But if you think its the SEC that needs to come clean you have missed the mark by miles. Basketball recruiting was just as dirty and both Kentucky schools hip deep.

The bagmen are certainly involved in basketball through AAU connections. The SEC isn’t the only conference into buying players. They are however the most successful.

That’s why we need to start paying players whatever the market and the schools can afford. If we are going to pay players what they are worth lets bring it out into the open. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

I’m going to tweak an idea JR had earlier just a bit:

ESPN negotiates to send NC St and VT to the SEC (=16)

The ACC adds Texas, Oklahoma, TTU, and Oklahoma St

SEC East: VT, NC St, SC, UGA, UF, UK, Tenn, Vandy
SEC West: Aub, Ala, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Ark, Mizz, TAMU

ACC Pod 1: Pitt, Cuse, BC, Louisville
ACC Pod 2: UVA, UNC, Duke, WF
ACC Pod 3: Clemson, GT, Florida St, Miami
ACC Pod 4: Texas, TTU, Oklahoma, OK St

That’s pretty neat and tidy.

(04-21-2021 01:49 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m going to tweak an idea JR had earlier just a bit:

ESPN negotiates to send NC St and VT to the SEC (=16)

The ACC adds Texas, Oklahoma, TTU, and Oklahoma St


ACC Pod 1: Pitt, Cuse, BC, Louisville
ACC Pod 2: UVA, UNC, Duke, WF
ACC Pod 3: Clemson, GT, Florida St, Miami
ACC Pod 4: Texas, TTU, Oklahoma, OK St

That’s pretty neat and tidy.

I like it. In the long run I prefer VT stay in the ACC if it doesn't lose any/many more members but if you have to go some where the SEC East is very attractive.

The ACC is neat and tidy but Pod 2 is really soft. I'm not sure they deserve an auto-bid to an ACC playoffs. If the top 2 pod winners face off in the ACCCG instead of a 4 team playoff, that is fine.

And, the SEC breaks down nicely into pods too.

SEC Pod 1: VT, UK, Tenn, Vandy
SEC Pod 2: NC St, SC, UGA, UF
SEC Pod 3: Aub, Ala, Ole Miss, Miss St
SEC Pod 4: LSU, Ark, Mizz, TAMU

(04-21-2021 02:43 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 01:49 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m going to tweak an idea JR had earlier just a bit:

ESPN negotiates to send NC St and VT to the SEC (=16)

The ACC adds Texas, Oklahoma, TTU, and Oklahoma St


ACC Pod 1: Pitt, Cuse, BC, Louisville
ACC Pod 2: UVA, UNC, Duke, WF
ACC Pod 3: Clemson, GT, Florida St, Miami
ACC Pod 4: Texas, TTU, Oklahoma, OK St

That’s pretty neat and tidy.

I like it. In the long run I prefer VT stay in the ACC if it doesn't lose any/many more members but if you have to go some where the SEC East is very attractive.

The ACC is neat and tidy but Pod 2 is really soft. I'm not sure they deserve an auto-bid to an ACC playoffs. If the top 2 pod winners face off in the ACCCG instead of a 4 team playoff, that is fine.

And, the SEC breaks down nicely into pods too.

SEC Pod 1: VT, UK, Tenn, Vandy
SEC Pod 2: NC St, SC, UGA, UF
SEC Pod 3: Aub, Ala, Ole Miss, Miss St
SEC Pod 4: LSU, Ark, Mizz, TAMU

In Statefan's example he had NC State and Miami going to the SEC.

ACC
BC. Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville
VT, UVa, Carolina, Duke
Wake Forest, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech
Texas, Texas Tech (rather have TCU), Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

SEC
Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Miami
Tennessee, NC State, Kentucky, South Carolina
Ole Miss, MSU, Vandy, Alabama
A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri

(04-21-2021 02:43 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 01:49 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m going to tweak an idea JR had earlier just a bit:

ESPN negotiates to send NC St and VT to the SEC (=16)

The ACC adds Texas, Oklahoma, TTU, and Oklahoma St


ACC Pod 1: Pitt, Cuse, BC, Louisville
ACC Pod 2: UVA, UNC, Duke, WF
ACC Pod 3: Clemson, GT, Florida St, Miami
ACC Pod 4: Texas, TTU, Oklahoma, OK St

That’s pretty neat and tidy.

I like it. In the long run I prefer VT stay in the ACC if it doesn't lose any/many more members but if you have to go some where the SEC East is very attractive.

The ACC is neat and tidy but Pod 2 is really soft. I'm not sure they deserve an auto-bid to an ACC playoffs. If the top 2 pod winners face off in the ACCCG instead of a 4 team playoff, that is fine.

And, the SEC breaks down nicely into pods too.

SEC Pod 1: VT, UK, Tenn, Vandy
SEC Pod 2: NC St, SC, UGA, UF
SEC Pod 3: Aub, Ala, Ole Miss, Miss St
SEC Pod 4: LSU, Ark, Mizz, TAMU

Just dreaming...

Things would be so much simpler if the ACC, SEC and ESPN had perfectly aligned interests. Assuming that acquiring Texas, TTU, OU and Ok State was viable, then the case-to-beat alignment would be

Pod 1: Texas, TTU, OU, Ok St
Pod 2: TAMU, LSU, Ark, Mizz
Pod 3: Ole Miss, Miss St, Ala, Aub
Pod 4: Vandy, Tenn, UK, Louisville
Pod 5: Pitt, Cuse, BC, Miami
Pod 6: UVA, VT, UNC, Duke
Pod 7: NC St, WF, USC, Clemson
Pod 8: UGA, GT, UF, FSU

Eliminate the wasteful administrative overhead of duplicative conferences. Generate media value by encouraging geographic rivalries while scheduling more marquee brand games. For football...two pods = a division; four pods = a conference

Allow media payouts to vary by pod...thereby no school loses financially, a few schools would gain windfalls. The big financial winners: Texahoma (Pod 1 has major media value), Louisville (joining 3 SEC members in Pod 4), and GT & FSU (merging into a media friendly Pod 8).

(04-21-2021 05:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Just dreaming...

Things would be so much simpler if the ACC, SEC and ESPN had perfectly aligned interests. Assuming that acquiring Texas, TTU, OU and Ok State was viable, then the case-to-beat alignment would be

Pod 1: Texas, TTU, OU, Ok St
Pod 2: TAMU, LSU, Ark, Mizz
Pod 3: Ole Miss, Miss St, Ala, Aub
Pod 4: Vandy, Tenn, UK, Louisville
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Pod 5: Pitt, Cuse, BC, Miami
Pod 6: UVA, VT, UNC, Duke
Pod 7: NC St, WF, USC, Clemson
Pod 8: UGA, GT, UF, FSU

Eliminate the wasteful administrative overhead of duplicative conferences. Generate media value by encouraging geographic rivalries while scheduling more marquee brand games. For football...two pods = a division; four pods = a conference

Allow media payouts to vary by pod...thereby no school loses financially, a few schools would gain windfalls. The big financial winners: Texahoma (Pod 1 has major media value), Louisville (joining 3 SEC members in Pod 4), and GT & FSU (merging into a media friendly Pod 8).

YES! That would be awesomest.

(04-21-2021 05:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 02:43 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 01:49 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m going to tweak an idea JR had earlier just a bit:

ESPN negotiates to send NC St and VT to the SEC (=16)

The ACC adds Texas, Oklahoma, TTU, and Oklahoma St


ACC Pod 1: Pitt, Cuse, BC, Louisville
ACC Pod 2: UVA, UNC, Duke, WF
ACC Pod 3: Clemson, GT, Florida St, Miami
ACC Pod 4: Texas, TTU, Oklahoma, OK St

That’s pretty neat and tidy.

I like it. In the long run I prefer VT stay in the ACC if it doesn't lose any/many more members but if you have to go some where the SEC East is very attractive.

The ACC is neat and tidy but Pod 2 is really soft. I'm not sure they deserve an auto-bid to an ACC playoffs. If the top 2 pod winners face off in the ACCCG instead of a 4 team playoff, that is fine.

And, the SEC breaks down nicely into pods too.

SEC Pod 1: VT, UK, Tenn, Vandy
SEC Pod 2: NC St, SC, UGA, UF
SEC Pod 3: Aub, Ala, Ole Miss, Miss St
SEC Pod 4: LSU, Ark, Mizz, TAMU

Just dreaming...

Things would be so much simpler if the ACC, SEC and ESPN had perfectly aligned interests. Assuming that acquiring Texas, TTU, OU and Ok State was viable, then the case-to-beat alignment would be

Pod 1: Texas, TTU, OU, Ok St
Pod 2: TAMU, LSU, Ark, Mizz
Pod 3: Ole Miss, Miss St, Ala, Aub
Pod 4: Vandy, Tenn, UK, Louisville
Pod 5: Pitt, Cuse, BC, Miami
Pod 6: UVA, VT, UNC, Duke
Pod 7: NC St, WF, USC, Clemson
Pod 8: UGA, GT, UF, FSU

Eliminate the wasteful administrative overhead of duplicative conferences. Generate media value by encouraging geographic rivalries while scheduling more marquee brand games. For football...two pods = a division; four pods = a conference

Allow media payouts to vary by pod...thereby no school loses financially, a few schools would gain windfalls. The big financial winners: Texahoma (Pod 1 has major media value), Louisville (joining 3 SEC members in Pod 4), and GT & FSU (merging into a media friendly Pod 8).

Your pods actually look pretty good. Maybe these 32 schools should leave NCAA altogether and form a new league. 8 team playoff would be pretty cool.

(04-21-2021 05:42 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 05:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 02:43 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 01:49 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m going to tweak an idea JR had earlier just a bit:

ESPN negotiates to send NC St and VT to the SEC (=16)

The ACC adds Texas, Oklahoma, TTU, and Oklahoma St


ACC Pod 1: Pitt, Cuse, BC, Louisville
ACC Pod 2: UVA, UNC, Duke, WF
ACC Pod 3: Clemson, GT, Florida St, Miami
ACC Pod 4: Texas, TTU, Oklahoma, OK St

That’s pretty neat and tidy.

I like it. In the long run I prefer VT stay in the ACC if it doesn't lose any/many more members but if you have to go some where the SEC East is very attractive.

The ACC is neat and tidy but Pod 2 is really soft. I'm not sure they deserve an auto-bid to an ACC playoffs. If the top 2 pod winners face off in the ACCCG instead of a 4 team playoff, that is fine.

And, the SEC breaks down nicely into pods too.

SEC Pod 1: VT, UK, Tenn, Vandy
SEC Pod 2: NC St, SC, UGA, UF
SEC Pod 3: Aub, Ala, Ole Miss, Miss St
SEC Pod 4: LSU, Ark, Mizz, TAMU

Just dreaming...

Things would be so much simpler if the ACC, SEC and ESPN had perfectly aligned interests. Assuming that acquiring Texas, TTU, OU and Ok State was viable, then the case-to-beat alignment would be

Pod 1: Texas, TTU, OU, Ok St
Pod 2: TAMU, LSU, Ark, Mizz
Pod 3: Ole Miss, Miss St, Ala, Aub
Pod 4: Vandy, Tenn, UK, Louisville
Pod 5: Pitt, Cuse, BC, Miami
Pod 6: UVA, VT, UNC, Duke
Pod 7: NC St, WF, USC, Clemson
Pod 8: UGA, GT, UF, FSU

Eliminate the wasteful administrative overhead of duplicative conferences. Generate media value by encouraging geographic rivalries while scheduling more marquee brand games. For football...two pods = a division; four pods = a conference

Allow media payouts to vary by pod...thereby no school loses financially, a few schools would gain windfalls. The big financial winners: Texahoma (Pod 1 has major media value), Louisville (joining 3 SEC members in Pod 4), and GT & FSU (merging into a media friendly Pod 8).

Your pods actually look pretty good. Maybe these 32 schools should leave NCAA altogether and form a new league. 8 team playoff would be pretty cool.

The P5 are already in their own quasi-independent administrative club. The NCAA is not restricting their actions in football. In non revenue sports, participating in the NCAA is very helpful.

The only sport were the NCAA’s actions are problematic is in basketball. Specifically, the NCAA is using Men’s Tournament revenue to fund excessive operating expenses and some welfare redistribution to minor conferences. Not sure that it’s worth leaving the NCAA over basketball tournament revenue...this is an issue that should be negotiated with the NCAA.

(04-21-2021 05:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 02:43 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 01:49 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m going to tweak an idea JR had earlier just a bit:

ESPN negotiates to send NC St and VT to the SEC (=16)

The ACC adds Texas, Oklahoma, TTU, and Oklahoma St


ACC Pod 1: Pitt, Cuse, BC, Louisville
ACC Pod 2: UVA, UNC, Duke, WF
ACC Pod 3: Clemson, GT, Florida St, Miami
ACC Pod 4: Texas, TTU, Oklahoma, OK St

That’s pretty neat and tidy.

I like it. In the long run I prefer VT stay in the ACC if it doesn't lose any/many more members but if you have to go some where the SEC East is very attractive.

The ACC is neat and tidy but Pod 2 is really soft. I'm not sure they deserve an auto-bid to an ACC playoffs. If the top 2 pod winners face off in the ACCCG instead of a 4 team playoff, that is fine.

And, the SEC breaks down nicely into pods too.

SEC Pod 1: VT, UK, Tenn, Vandy
SEC Pod 2: NC St, SC, UGA, UF
SEC Pod 3: Aub, Ala, Ole Miss, Miss St
SEC Pod 4: LSU, Ark, Mizz, TAMU

Just dreaming...

Things would be so much simpler if the ACC, SEC and ESPN had perfectly aligned interests. Assuming that acquiring Texas, TTU, OU and Ok State was viable, then the case-to-beat alignment would be

Pod 1: Texas, TTU, OU, Ok St
Pod 2: TAMU, LSU, Ark, Mizz
Pod 3: Ole Miss, Miss St, Ala, Aub
Pod 4: Vandy, Tenn, UK, Louisville
Pod 5: Pitt, Cuse, BC, Miami
Pod 6: UVA, VT, UNC, Duke
Pod 7: NC St, WF, USC, Clemson
Pod 8: UGA, GT, UF, FSU

Eliminate the wasteful administrative overhead of duplicative conferences. Generate media value by encouraging geographic rivalries while scheduling more marquee brand games. For football...two pods = a division; four pods = a conference

Allow media payouts to vary by pod...thereby no school loses financially, a few schools would gain windfalls. The big financial winners: Texahoma (Pod 1 has major media value), Louisville (joining 3 SEC members in Pod 4), and GT & FSU (merging into a media friendly Pod 8).

Those are some pretty nice looking pods!