Yesterday, I saw a car with two bumper stickers.

One said "Vote your religion".

The other said "We support the police".

I wonder which way they vote?

BTW, I think everybody votes their religion - even (especially?) the atheists..

(04-08-2021 08:43 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  But the point I'm making is that while the thought processes may be precisely what you are saying, when faced with a binary left/right choice, they almost always choose one side...

But it's the extremists who make it binary. Thoughtful leaders like Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D) and Howard Baker ® had no trouble meeting in the middle on things that mattered to the country. Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush weren't bad at either. Most notably, for forty years Dem and Rep leaders mostly met in the middle on the thing that mattered most of all: foreign policy against the Communist bloc.

"Progressives", like their Bolshevik role models and like extremists throughout history, are not cut from that cloth; indeed, they tend to be openly contemptuous of such comity.

(04-08-2021 11:34 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 08:43 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  But the point I'm making is that while the thought processes may be precisely what you are saying, when faced with a binary left/right choice, they almost always choose one side...

But it's the extremists who make it binary. Thoughtful leaders like Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D) and Howard Baker ® had no trouble meeting in the middle on things that mattered to the country. Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush weren't bad at either. Most notably, for forty years Dem and Rep leaders mostly met in the middle on the thing that mattered most of all: foreign policy against the Communist bloc.

"Progressives", like their Bolshevik role models and like extremists throughout history, are not cut from that cloth; indeed, they tend to be openly contemptuous of such comity.

i"m not sure that its the extremists that make it binary. What I mean by that is that a true moderate rep who is given a choice between Bill Clinton and Jerry Falwell might well pick Clinton. An extremist rep stands no chance at all in SF so they're not even an issue. It's the moderate given a choice between an extreme of his party vs a moderate of the other, who chooses the extremist, even though they are closer in desires to the moderate who makes it binary.

but still, i think the thought processes come from a 'chicken or egg' philosophy. Is the Constitution and the government that enforces it here to protect me from unruly citizens, or is it here to protect me from unruly government??

EIther way, enjoyed the intellectual conversation.

Thanks as always George!

I think there have been some who've complained (me included) that the school hasn't been doing enough for the engineering and sciences departments, so good to see this moving forward. Very much another modern architecture firm, which I like but I'm sure others won't. They also appear to be much bigger than the firm doing the student center, if website portfolio size is any indication.

http://news.rice.edu/2021/04/27/rice-nam...=202104-17

https://www.som.com/projects#markets=aviation&

(04-29-2021 10:05 AM)elw4796 Wrote:  I think there have been some who've complained (me included) that the school hasn't been doing enough for the engineering and sciences departments, so good to see this moving forward. Very much another modern architecture firm, which I like but I'm sure others won't. They also appear to be much bigger than the firm doing the student center, if website portfolio size is any indication.

http://news.rice.edu/2021/04/27/rice-nam...=202104-17

https://www.som.com/projects#markets=aviation&

Skidmore is a big and long-established firm, sort of the architecture equivalent of one of the Big 3 consulting firms or "Big Law" law firms. I like their choice because, compared to the student center architect, my hunch is that Skidmore is more likely to produce a building that works well rather than one that is primarily a trendy (and thus instantly dated) architectural "statement".

(04-29-2021 12:12 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 10:05 AM)elw4796 Wrote:  I think there have been some who've complained (me included) that the school hasn't been doing enough for the engineering and sciences departments, so good to see this moving forward. Very much another modern architecture firm, which I like but I'm sure others won't. They also appear to be much bigger than the firm doing the student center, if website portfolio size is any indication.

http://news.rice.edu/2021/04/27/rice-nam...=202104-17

https://www.som.com/projects#markets=aviation&

Skidmore is a big and long-established firm, sort of the architecture equivalent of one of the Big 3 consulting firms or "Big Law" law firms. I like their choice because, compared to the student center architect, my hunch is that Skidmore is more likely to produce a building that works well rather than one that is primarily a trendy (and thus instantly dated) architectural "statement".

https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif.../#comments

Pictures from the proposal are in this thread. Not my favorite but a huge step up from the existing facility.

(04-01-2021 07:41 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  How about more red necks and less yellow necks.

I haven't followed this thread for a few weeks and just went through it today.

Ummmm... wow. InterestedX commented on this post but other than that it seems to have been largely ignored.

I guess I should preface this to say that (while I am on the left politically) I agree with many who feel that free speech has been compromised lately and too many statements are called out as problematic simply because of an ideologic disagreement.

That being said.

I can't believe that the Rice board is a place where one might feel comfortable making this statement. What if the discussion was about black students at Rice and somebody commented, "How about more red necks and less black necks."? Would that be OK?

This is a incredibly ugly statement to post and it's floridly racist. This should have no have any place on a Rice discussion board. I hope the moderators get rid of it and I'm frankly surprised that that hasn't happened yet (it's been up for four weeks).

(04-29-2021 01:01 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 12:12 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 10:05 AM)elw4796 Wrote:  I think there have been some who've complained (me included) that the school hasn't been doing enough for the engineering and sciences departments, so good to see this moving forward. Very much another modern architecture firm, which I like but I'm sure others won't. They also appear to be much bigger than the firm doing the student center, if website portfolio size is any indication.

http://news.rice.edu/2021/04/27/rice-nam...=202104-17

https://www.som.com/projects#markets=aviation&

Skidmore is a big and long-established firm, sort of the architecture equivalent of one of the Big 3 consulting firms or "Big Law" law firms. I like their choice because, compared to the student center architect, my hunch is that Skidmore is more likely to produce a building that works well rather than one that is primarily a trendy (and thus instantly dated) architectural "statement".

https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif.../#comments

Pictures from the proposal are in this thread. Not my favorite but a huge step up from the existing facility.

Thanks for this link! The design looks to be more like a conventional (if taller) Rice building, which (in general) is fine with me:

(04-29-2021 01:01 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif.../#comments

Pictures from the proposal are in this thread. Not my favorite but a huge step up from the existing facility.

But also in this thread, there's this:

https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif...ent-634905



In his comment, hindesky asks, on April 10:

Quote:I wonder why they are taking core samples by the track and field grandstands?

Does WRC -- or anyone else -- know what might be in the works by the track/soccer stadium?

(04-29-2021 05:50 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 01:01 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif.../#comments

Pictures from the proposal are in this thread. Not my favorite but a huge step up from the existing facility.

But also in this thread, there's this:

https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif...ent-634905



In his comment, hindesky asks, on April 10:

Quote:I wonder why they are taking core samples by the track and field grandstands?

Does WRC -- or anyone else -- know what might be in the works by the track/soccer stadium?

No clue.

See they are finally saying goodbye to the old RMC. Spent many a night(and consecutive days and nights, even) developing film and editing video for various projects there. While the transition will be difficult, nice to know they're going to be getting a new building within 3 years. Thank you, Rice Media Center, for the fond memories!

(04-29-2021 02:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-01-2021 07:41 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  How about more red necks and less yellow necks.

I haven't followed this thread for a few weeks and just went through it today.

Ummmm... wow. InterestedX commented on this post but other than that it seems to have been largely ignored.

I guess I should preface this to say that (while I am on the left politically) I agree with many who feel that free speech has been compromised lately and too many statements are called out as problematic simply because of an ideologic disagreement.

That being said.

I can't believe that the Rice board is a place where one might feel comfortable making this statement. What if the discussion was about black students at Rice and somebody commented, "How about more red necks and less black necks."? Would that be OK?

This is a incredibly ugly statement to post and it's floridly racist. This should have no have any place on a Rice discussion board. I hope the moderators get rid of it and I'm frankly surprised that that hasn't happened yet (it's been up for four weeks).

Well I assume you have no problem with the term "red neck" (?)

Some consider the term perjorative while others as a term of endearment.

I've never heard of "yellow necks" and googling it I came up with a militant spiritual organisation also referred to as the Autumn Bloom Society in the book - Avatar, The Last Airbender: The Rise of Kyoshi (The Kyoshi Novels Book 1.)

Of course I'm not entirely sure what TexasOwl meant as 'yellow necks' are fictional.

If there's an 'Asian' equivalent of the 'white' redneck, then that might add to someone's equation of diversity.

I'd prefer to just leave it to meritocracy.

The idea that you are going to change the university's 'ideology' by manipulating the student intake, but leaving the faculty, staff, and administration intact is pretty ignorant or just plain stupid (imho).

Rice's expansion plans are decades overdue.

Go back to its inception and I don't believe it suggests or states that the Institute's goal to educate a limited number of...

Other than CalTech, and a few music conservatories, what 'educational' institutions have intentionally limited their growth?

When I was an undergraduate there were only 2600 undergrads. BFD.

If the administration expands enrollment then it exposes itself to further scrutiny with regard to human capitalisation. (If anyone is looking.)

Any creamery should be able to make a pound of butter from a quart of cream. If they can't reach that standard, then they're just wasting human capital.

If they scale up (aka increase admissions), but fail to produce to that standard, then they're just wasting additional human capital in relative and absolute terms.


As for the Pell Grants, I've come across two individuals who received said grants. One must have had Al Capone's tax accountant and the other was a financially emancipated adult starting from their junior year in high school via the gifting of (limited) income producing property.

And the new RMC looks like a shopping mall.

(04-30-2021 06:20 AM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 02:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-01-2021 07:41 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  How about more red necks and less yellow necks.

I haven't followed this thread for a few weeks and just went through it today.

Ummmm... wow. InterestedX commented on this post but other than that it seems to have been largely ignored.

I guess I should preface this to say that (while I am on the left politically) I agree with many who feel that free speech has been compromised lately and too many statements are called out as problematic simply because of an ideologic disagreement.

That being said.

I can't believe that the Rice board is a place where one might feel comfortable making this statement. What if the discussion was about black students at Rice and somebody commented, "How about more red necks and less black necks."? Would that be OK?

This is a incredibly ugly statement to post and it's floridly racist. This should have no have any place on a Rice discussion board. I hope the moderators get rid of it and I'm frankly surprised that that hasn't happened yet (it's been up for four weeks).

Well I assume you have no problem with the term "red neck" (?)

Some consider the term perjorative while others as a term of endearment.

I've never heard of "yellow necks" and googling it I came up with a militant spiritual organisation also referred to as the Autumn Bloom Society in the book - Avatar, The Last Airbender: The Rise of Kyoshi (The Kyoshi Novels Book 1.)

Of course I'm not entirely sure what TexasOwl meant as 'yellow necks' are fictional.

If there's an 'Asian' equivalent of the 'white' redneck, then that might add to someone's equation of diversity.

I'd prefer to just leave it to meritocracy.

The idea that you are going to change the university's 'ideology' by manipulating the student intake, but leaving the faculty, staff, and administration intact is pretty ignorant or just plain stupid (imho).

Perhaps it would be less racist if TexasOwl just called for more proportionality.

But as for actual admissions, I am fine with judging people by their merits and not the color of their skins or their ancestral backgrounds.

It is funny; I view red-neck to be a pejorative term in today's culture, and would be comfortable taking that position in any discussion.

So red-neck derives, I believe, from white laborers who worked outside and labored so long in the fields that, when not covering their necks from the blistering sun, got sun-burned, or red, necks. So carrying this forward, white laborers who work really hard outside (as is in my family) is a pejorative term. And you want sensitivity from me? Look at thine own sole first, my friends.

(04-08-2021 11:34 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 08:43 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  But the point I'm making is that while the thought processes may be precisely what you are saying, when faced with a binary left/right choice, they almost always choose one side...

But it's the extremists who make it binary. Thoughtful leaders like Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D) and Howard Baker ® had no trouble meeting in the middle on things that mattered to the country. Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush weren't bad at either. Most notably, for forty years Dem and Rep leaders mostly met in the middle on the thing that mattered most of all: foreign policy against the Communist bloc.

"Progressives", like their Bolshevik role models and like extremists throughout history, are not cut from that cloth; indeed, they tend to be openly contemptuous of such comity.

Congrats George for making my ignore list with this post.

(04-30-2021 07:08 AM)bigowlsfan Wrote:  It is funny; I view red-neck to be a pejorative term in today's culture, and would be comfortable taking that position in any discussion.

So red-neck derives, I believe, from white laborers who worked outside and labored so long in the fields that, when not covering their necks from the blistering sun, got sun-burned, or red, necks. So carrying this forward, white laborers who work really hard outside (as is in my family) is a pejorative term. And you want sensitivity from me? Look at thine own sole first, my friends.

I certainly have heard redneck used pejoratively. But as a racial class, they may well be under-represented at Rice. It certainly would help our diversity to admit more rodeo fans.

(04-30-2021 07:17 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 11:34 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 08:43 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  But the point I'm making is that while the thought processes may be precisely what you are saying, when faced with a binary left/right choice, they almost always choose one side...

But it's the extremists who make it binary. Thoughtful leaders like Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D) and Howard Baker ® had no trouble meeting in the middle on things that mattered to the country. Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush weren't bad at either. Most notably, for forty years Dem and Rep leaders mostly met in the middle on the thing that mattered most of all: foreign policy against the Communist bloc.

"Progressives", like their Bolshevik role models and like extremists throughout history, are not cut from that cloth; indeed, they tend to be openly contemptuous of such comity.

Congrats George for making my ignore list with this post.

Congrats Tiki for taking umbrage at a post that laments extremism -- which sort of proves the point!

(04-30-2021 07:08 AM)bigowlsfan Wrote:  It is funny; I view red-neck to be a pejorative term in today's culture, and would be comfortable taking that position in any discussion.

So red-neck derives, I believe, from white laborers who worked outside and labored so long in the fields that, when not covering their necks from the blistering sun, got sun-burned, or red, necks. So carrying this forward, white laborers who work really hard outside (as is in my family) is a pejorative term. And you want sensitivity from me? Look at thine own sole first, my friends.

Surprising (or is it?) that the phrase "more red necks and less yellow necks" still hasn't brought any further condemnation?

I pointed out "yellow necks" because the poster was saying "we want less of them". Not to mention treating all Asian people as a monolith.

I agree that "red necks" is generally a pejorative term however the OP was not using it as such.

(04-30-2021 07:03 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(04-30-2021 06:20 AM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 02:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-01-2021 07:41 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  How about more red necks and less yellow necks.

I haven't followed this thread for a few weeks and just went through it today.

Ummmm... wow. InterestedX commented on this post but other than that it seems to have been largely ignored.

I guess I should preface this to say that (while I am on the left politically) I agree with many who feel that free speech has been compromised lately and too many statements are called out as problematic simply because of an ideologic disagreement.

That being said.

I can't believe that the Rice board is a place where one might feel comfortable making this statement. What if the discussion was about black students at Rice and somebody commented, "How about more red necks and less black necks."? Would that be OK?

This is a incredibly ugly statement to post and it's floridly racist. This should have no have any place on a Rice discussion board. I hope the moderators get rid of it and I'm frankly surprised that that hasn't happened yet (it's been up for four weeks).

Well I assume you have no problem with the term "red neck" (?)

Some consider the term perjorative while others as a term of endearment.

I've never heard of "yellow necks" and googling it I came up with a militant spiritual organisation also referred to as the Autumn Bloom Society in the book - Avatar, The Last Airbender: The Rise of Kyoshi (The Kyoshi Novels Book 1.)

Of course I'm not entirely sure what TexasOwl meant as 'yellow necks' are fictional.

If there's an 'Asian' equivalent of the 'white' redneck, then that might add to someone's equation of diversity.

I'd prefer to just leave it to meritocracy.

The idea that you are going to change the university's 'ideology' by manipulating the student intake, but leaving the faculty, staff, and administration intact is pretty ignorant or just plain stupid (imho).

Perhaps it would be less racist if TexasOwl just called for more proportionality.

But as for actual admissions, I am fine with judging people by their merits and not the color of their skins or their ancestral backgrounds.

It would have been difficult for him to make it more racist TBH.