When I was a student, undergrad enrollment was 1700. No idea about graduate students.

Rice is already swollen IMO. What is the impetus, academically, to expand enrollment? $$$$$? The USN&WR? The few, the proud, used to be us.

(03-30-2021 09:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  When I was a student, undergrad enrollment was 1700. No idea about graduate students.

Rice is already swollen IMO. What is the impetus, academically, to expand enrollment? $$$$$? The USN&WR? The few, the proud, used to be us.

I wonder what the enrollment was at UT and A&M at that time? My quick google search did not spit out any obvious results.

Don't think this has been posted, so here's the announcement from the school.

http://news.rice.edu/2021/03/29/rice-ann...=202103-08

(03-30-2021 12:15 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 09:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  When I was a student, undergrad enrollment was 1700. No idea about graduate students.

Rice is already swollen IMO. What is the impetus, academically, to expand enrollment? $$$$$? The USN&WR? The few, the proud, used to be us.

I wonder what the enrollment was at UT and A&M at that time? My quick google search did not spit out any obvious results.

I'll see if I can find it. What year(s)?

(03-30-2021 09:07 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 12:15 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 09:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  When I was a student, undergrad enrollment was 1700. No idea about graduate students.

Rice is already swollen IMO. What is the impetus, academically, to expand enrollment? $$$$$? The USN&WR? The few, the proud, used to be us.

I wonder what the enrollment was at UT and A&M at that time? My quick google search did not spit out any obvious results.

I'll see if I can find it. What year(s)?

1963-64

(03-30-2021 12:15 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 09:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  When I was a student, undergrad enrollment was 1700. No idea about graduate students.

Rice is already swollen IMO. What is the impetus, academically, to expand enrollment? $$$$$? The USN&WR? The few, the proud, used to be us.

I wonder what the enrollment was at UT and A&M at that time? My quick google search did not spit out any obvious results.

Oct. 1963 -- UT 22,169
April 1963 -- A&M 8,100

(03-30-2021 11:22 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 12:15 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 09:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  When I was a student, undergrad enrollment was 1700. No idea about graduate students.
Rice is already swollen IMO. What is the impetus, academically, to expand enrollment? $$$$$? The USN&WR? The few, the proud, used to be us.

I wonder what the enrollment was at UT and A&M at that time? My quick google search did not spit out any obvious results.

Oct. 1963 -- UT 22,169
April 1963 -- A&M 8,100

aTm was much smaller for many years because it was all-male and all-Corps. 1963 was about the time of the changes, and it grew rapidly after that.

(03-31-2021 08:14 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 11:22 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 12:15 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 09:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  When I was a student, undergrad enrollment was 1700. No idea about graduate students.
Rice is already swollen IMO. What is the impetus, academically, to expand enrollment? $$$$$? The USN&WR? The few, the proud, used to be us.

I wonder what the enrollment was at UT and A&M at that time? My quick google search did not spit out any obvious results.

Oct. 1963 -- UT 22,169
April 1963 -- A&M 8,100

aTm was much smaller for many years because it was all-male and all-Corps. 1963 was about the time of the changes, and it grew rapidly after that.

And Rice desegregated around that time. I'll bet that the white male enrollment at Rice has not changed all that much since 1963.

(03-31-2021 08:20 AM)temchugh Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:14 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 11:22 PM)InterestedX Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 12:15 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 09:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  When I was a student, undergrad enrollment was 1700. No idea about graduate students.
Rice is already swollen IMO. What is the impetus, academically, to expand enrollment? $$$$$? The USN&WR? The few, the proud, used to be us.

I wonder what the enrollment was at UT and A&M at that time? My quick google search did not spit out any obvious results.

Oct. 1963 -- UT 22,169
April 1963 -- A&M 8,100

aTm was much smaller for many years because it was all-male and all-Corps. 1963 was about the time of the changes, and it grew rapidly after that.

And Rice desegregated around that time. I'll bet that the white male enrollment at Rice has not changed all that much since 1963.

The enrollment was all white, about 2/3 male, so about 1200 WM. But I don't see how racial demographics fuel the need for expansion.

Yes A$M was all male then, almost all Corps. One of my Rice friends had an Aggie friend who came along on a lot of our escapades.

So is the planned expansion to accommodate more black/Hispanic/Asian/female/gay/handicapped students? If not, then we have gone down a rabbit hole. in our search for the answer as to why.

I'll ask again, what is the impetus behind the proposed expansion? More tuition dollars? a higher ranking in the USN&WR? More students not attending games? Are we planning a black-only college?

(03-31-2021 08:20 AM)temchugh Wrote:  And Rice desegregated around that time. I'll bet that the white male enrollment at Rice has not changed all that much since 1963.

I was in the first class (1969, part of my screen name, freshman in 1965) which "officially" included Black undergraduates. There were stories that others, primarily graduate students, had been admitted by characterizing them as something other than Black, but I don't know that as a fact.

I suppose I can actually claim to be a person of color, probably at least as good a claim as Elizabeth Warren has to be a Native American. One of my ancestors, Nicolas Martiau, was a Moor. He is also the first ancestor of George Washington to reach the New World, and also an ancestor of both Queen Elizabeth II and Robert E. Lee. So the father of our country was a person of color, Megan Markle is/was not the first person of color in the British royal family, and the Army of Northern Virginia was led by a man of color.

(03-31-2021 08:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:20 AM)temchugh Wrote:  And Rice desegregated around that time. I'll bet that the white male enrollment at Rice has not changed all that much since 1963.

I was in the first class (1969, part of my screen name, freshman in 1965) which "officially" included Black undergraduates. There were stories that others, primarily graduate students, had been admitted by characterizing them as something other than Black, but I don't know that as a fact.

I suppose I can actually claim to be a person of color, probably at least as good a claim as Elizabeth Warren has to be a Native American. One of my ancestors, Nicolas Martiau, was a Moor. He is also the first ancestor of George Washington to reach the New World, and also an ancestor of both Queen Elizabeth II and Robert E. Lee. So the father of our country was a person of color, Megan Markle is/was not the first person of color in the British royal family, and the Army of Northern Virginia was led by a man of color.

I am of partial Hispanic heritage. I have always wondered if I slipped through the cracks when I was admitted in 1962 (for the class of '67) -i did not see any obviously Hispanic students until the 64-65 school year.

I was a junior when the first two black students were admitted. I never saw either of them on campus. But I did see plenty of Asian grad students.

(03-31-2021 08:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:20 AM)temchugh Wrote:  And Rice desegregated around that time. I'll bet that the white male enrollment at Rice has not changed all that much since 1963.

I was in the first class (1969, part of my screen name, freshman in 1965) which "officially" included Black undergraduates. There were stories that others, primarily graduate students, had been admitted by characterizing them as something other than Black, but I don't know that as a fact.

I suppose I can actually claim to be a person of color, probably at least as good a claim as Elizabeth Warren has to be a Native American. One of my ancestors, Nicolas Martiau, was a Moor. He is also the first ancestor of George Washington to reach the New World, and also an ancestor of both Queen Elizabeth II and Robert E. Lee. So the father of our country was a person of color, Megan Markle is/was not the first person of color in the British royal family, and the Army of Northern Virginia was led by a man of color.

My instructor for Math 100 my freshman year (1966-67) was Raymond Johnson, Rice's first black graduate student. He joined the Rice faculty in 2009 after a lengthy teaching career at the University of Maryland. He is still an adjunct professor at Rice. Here is a link to a story from when he joined the Rice faculty in 2009 that goes into detail about how he came to Rice for graduate school:

https://news.rice.edu/2009/08/28/raymond...professor/

(03-31-2021 08:57 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:20 AM)temchugh Wrote:  And Rice desegregated around that time. I'll bet that the white male enrollment at Rice has not changed all that much since 1963.

I was in the first class (1969, part of my screen name, freshman in 1965) which "officially" included Black undergraduates. There were stories that others, primarily graduate students, had been admitted by characterizing them as something other than Black, but I don't know that as a fact.

I suppose I can actually claim to be a person of color, probably at least as good a claim as Elizabeth Warren has to be a Native American. One of my ancestors, Nicolas Martiau, was a Moor. He is also the first ancestor of George Washington to reach the New World, and also an ancestor of both Queen Elizabeth II and Robert E. Lee. So the father of our country was a person of color, Megan Markle is/was not the first person of color in the British royal family, and the Army of Northern Virginia was led by a man of color.

I am of partial Hispanic heritage. I have always wondered if I slipped through the cracks when I was admitted in 1962 (for the class of '67) -i did not see any obviously Hispanic students until the 64-65 school year.

I was a junior when the first two black students were admitted. I never saw either of them on campus. But I did see plenty of Asian grad students.

https://ricehistorycorner.com/2020/10/19...-gomez-42/

(03-31-2021 09:22 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:57 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:20 AM)temchugh Wrote:  And Rice desegregated around that time. I'll bet that the white male enrollment at Rice has not changed all that much since 1963.

I was in the first class (1969, part of my screen name, freshman in 1965) which "officially" included Black undergraduates. There were stories that others, primarily graduate students, had been admitted by characterizing them as something other than Black, but I don't know that as a fact.

I suppose I can actually claim to be a person of color, probably at least as good a claim as Elizabeth Warren has to be a Native American. One of my ancestors, Nicolas Martiau, was a Moor. He is also the first ancestor of George Washington to reach the New World, and also an ancestor of both Queen Elizabeth II and Robert E. Lee. So the father of our country was a person of color, Megan Markle is/was not the first person of color in the British royal family, and the Army of Northern Virginia was led by a man of color.

I am of partial Hispanic heritage. I have always wondered if I slipped through the cracks when I was admitted in 1962 (for the class of '67) -i did not see any obviously Hispanic students until the 64-65 school year.

I was a junior when the first two black students were admitted. I never saw either of them on campus. But I did see plenty of Asian grad students.

https://ricehistorycorner.com/2020/10/19...-gomez-42/

Thanks for that. It sets my mind at ease.

(03-31-2021 09:32 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 09:22 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:57 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:20 AM)temchugh Wrote:  And Rice desegregated around that time. I'll bet that the white male enrollment at Rice has not changed all that much since 1963.

I was in the first class (1969, part of my screen name, freshman in 1965) which "officially" included Black undergraduates. There were stories that others, primarily graduate students, had been admitted by characterizing them as something other than Black, but I don't know that as a fact.

I suppose I can actually claim to be a person of color, probably at least as good a claim as Elizabeth Warren has to be a Native American. One of my ancestors, Nicolas Martiau, was a Moor. He is also the first ancestor of George Washington to reach the New World, and also an ancestor of both Queen Elizabeth II and Robert E. Lee. So the father of our country was a person of color, Megan Markle is/was not the first person of color in the British royal family, and the Army of Northern Virginia was led by a man of color.

I am of partial Hispanic heritage. I have always wondered if I slipped through the cracks when I was admitted in 1962 (for the class of '67) -i did not see any obviously Hispanic students until the 64-65 school year.

I was a junior when the first two black students were admitted. I never saw either of them on campus. But I did see plenty of Asian grad students.

https://ricehistorycorner.com/2020/10/19...-gomez-42/

Thanks for that. It sets my mind at ease.

Melissa's blog is awesome. I think I've gone back and read almost all of them. But since she retired the blog has slowed to about once a week. But it's always interesting.

(03-31-2021 09:22 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:57 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-31-2021 08:20 AM)temchugh Wrote:  And Rice desegregated around that time. I'll bet that the white male enrollment at Rice has not changed all that much since 1963.

I was in the first class (1969, part of my screen name, freshman in 1965) which "officially" included Black undergraduates. There were stories that others, primarily graduate students, had been admitted by characterizing them as something other than Black, but I don't know that as a fact.

I suppose I can actually claim to be a person of color, probably at least as good a claim as Elizabeth Warren has to be a Native American. One of my ancestors, Nicolas Martiau, was a Moor. He is also the first ancestor of George Washington to reach the New World, and also an ancestor of both Queen Elizabeth II and Robert E. Lee. So the father of our country was a person of color, Megan Markle is/was not the first person of color in the British royal family, and the Army of Northern Virginia was led by a man of color.

I am of partial Hispanic heritage. I have always wondered if I slipped through the cracks when I was admitted in 1962 (for the class of '67) -i did not see any obviously Hispanic students until the 64-65 school year.

I was a junior when the first two black students were admitted. I never saw either of them on campus. But I did see plenty of Asian grad students.

https://ricehistorycorner.com/2020/10/19...-gomez-42/

What a great story... the comments from the family are great

https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news...plans.html

Hope Leebron means diversity of thought because campus doesn’t have much of that.

(04-01-2021 02:58 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news...plans.html

Hope Leebron means diversity of thought because campus doesn’t have much of that.

Can you copy article for those of us who aren't BizJournal subscribers?

Re: diversity... If there is any group that is overrepresented at Rice, it's Asian students.

From a meritocratic standpoint, they deserve to be at Rice the most (I'd just prefer we take US-born not PRC-born).

Black students are underrepresented, but relative to their share of the 18-22 US population (and especially the TX population), it's Latino students that are most underrepresented. Given the political trends in this country, increasing the share of Latino voters might not be the worst way to diversify the political opinion on campus.

It's the white students and young alumni who are the most hopelessly woke.. This was a tweet from a student I knew at Rice from yesterday: "idk I'm just kinda feeling some type of way about the fact that I interviewed some STELLAR seniors for admission to Rice and the only one who got accepted (2 waitlisted) just *happened* to be the one white guy."

How about more red necks and less yellow necks.

(04-01-2021 07:41 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  How about more red necks and less yellow necks.

Nice to see former President Arthur drop by...