(03-23-2021 12:19 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Most posters on here aren't anti-vaxxers. I don't think being cautious or against the Covid19 vaccine makes you an anti-vaxxer. There's been a lot of misinformation and politicizing of it. People are smart to be wary (and ultimately I would hope choose to get it). The only true antivaxxer I know of on this forum is ECUgrad07.

I only ask that those who refuse it also reduce their exposure to others until a vast majority of the country has it. But adults gonna adult.

Well, not planning on getting the vaccine. Of course, I never get flu vaccines either, even when my doctor asks if I’m getting one.

Would I take a vaccine that made me immune from getting the virus AND they knew what side effects there were and the likelihood of being afflicted with those side effects? Likely I would.

Here’s my rub, right now I know that if I get Covid I have less than a 1% chance of mortality.......are the risks associated with an experimental vaccine worth it that I would be in that 1%?

Hell, I have a greater chance of being injured in an auto accident, but I don’t cower in my house and not drive, nobody does.

Oh by the way, if the store sign says wear a mask, while I don’t like it, I put one on. Do I wear one by myself driving the car (some idiots do) or do I wear one outside on the golf course - of course not.

Oh yeah, masks don’t work on viruses except maybe if I cough, sneeze or otherwise slobber and spit it keeps those inside the mask. The actual virus - nope, they’re too small for the mask to contain.

(03-23-2021 12:19 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Most posters on here aren't anti-vaxxers. I don't think being cautious or against the Covid19 vaccine makes you an anti-vaxxer. There's been a lot of misinformation and politicizing of it. People are smart to be wary (and ultimately I would hope choose to get it). The only true antivaxxer I know of on this forum is ECUgrad07.

I only ask that those who refuse it also reduce their exposure to others until a vast majority of the country has it. But adults gonna adult.

Don't know how many people on this board of true anti-vaxxers but there are a lot of people on this board that are self-centered ********. Those that proudly refused to wear masks because it interferes with their freedom. That claim they engage in behaviors that contribute to the spread of the disease - because they want to be free to do it. Then claim if you don't like it you should just stay in. So yeah self-centered and ******* I think would describe them.

On another note addressing some of the other posts and the bulshit found there -- one of the major reasons it's important to get vaccinated is to stem the spread of the disease. One of the problems with spreading the disease like this one is that it gives it an opportunity to mutate. It's the mutations give the virus a chance to escape the vaccine. That is, the virus needs a host to mutate, it needs to spread. We are already seeing mutations that are making the existing vaccines less efficacious. But the self-centered ******** here don't seem to care about that or at least they like to act like they don't. I'm not really concerned about them contracting the disease cuz they've brought it on themselves. But I am concerned about everyone else. The apparent inability to see that is the cause of all the bs posts above - you know about how take taking precautions interferes with their freedom at all.

(03-22-2021 10:21 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  How is this “bad news for anti vaxxers”? People who don’t want to get the vaccine don’t care if someone else does. What an idiot. If it works great. You got it you’re safe. Why in hell do you care who else gets it then?

He is just an angry, hateful, miserable human being on every level.

So he finds people to lash out at, hate and attack in an attmept to sooth his miserable existence.

(03-22-2021 09:53 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 09:29 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Are you an anti vaxxer? Then yes I'm talking about you. BTW - you have some medical reason for not being vaccinated or are you just a 'It's All About Me' selfish ass hole?

So, you believe anyone that doesn’t take this vaccine is a selfish ahole??

A virus that 99%+ of people that get it get over it?

A vaccine that doesn’t make a person immune from getting Covid or prevent that same person from giving Covid to someone else - just mitigates the severity once you have contracted Covid?

A vaccine that isn’t really “fully approved” yet.

How about people that want to get the vaccine get it and those that don’t want it don’t?

If you're under 40, skipping the vaccine is not unreasonable at all. Its less risky than the annual flu.

(03-23-2021 09:48 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 12:19 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Most posters on here aren't anti-vaxxers. I don't think being cautious or against the Covid19 vaccine makes you an anti-vaxxer. There's been a lot of misinformation and politicizing of it. People are smart to be wary (and ultimately I would hope choose to get it). The only true antivaxxer I know of on this forum is ECUgrad07.

I only ask that those who refuse it also reduce their exposure to others until a vast majority of the country has it. But adults gonna adult.

Don't know how many people on this board of true anti-vaxxers but there are a lot of people on this board that are self-centered ********. Those that proudly refused to wear masks because it interferes with their freedom. That claim they engage in behaviors that contribute to the spread of the disease - because they want to be free to do it. Then claim if you don't like it you should just stay in. So yeah self-centered and ******* I think would describe them.

On another note addressing some of the other posts and the bulshit found there -- one of the major reasons it's important to get vaccinated is to stem the spread of the disease. One of the problems with spreading the disease like this one is that it gives it an opportunity to mutate. It's the mutations give the virus a chance to escape the vaccine. That is, the virus needs a host to mutate, it needs to spread. We are already seeing mutations that are making the existing vaccines less efficacious. But the self-centered ******** here don't seem to care about that or at least they like to act like they don't. I'm not really concerned about them contracting the disease cuz they've brought it on themselves. But I am concerned about everyone else. The apparent inability to see that is the cause of all the bs posts above - you know about how take taking precautions interferes with their freedom at all.

Some people are low information sheeple who blindly believe all the unscientific nonsense about how important masks are. The mask Nazis are most likely to be the ones who ignore social distancing and fail to wash their hands or stay home when they are sick.

Here's a note. The disease isn't spreading. Infection rates have dropped drastically. Go do a little research, like on cdc.gov, and stop watching CNN and reading Facebook.

The LEFT loves putting people into CATEGORIES without defining said category and throwing all that may align with their agenda into that category.

(03-23-2021 09:52 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 10:21 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  How is this “bad news for anti vaxxers”? People who don’t want to get the vaccine don’t care if someone else does. What an idiot. If it works great. You got it you’re safe. Why in hell do you care who else gets it then?

He is just an angry, hateful, miserable human being on every level.

So he finds people to lash out at, hate and attack in an attmept to sooth his miserable existence.

In short: When one grows up with dolls that have boobs and *****'s...

(03-22-2021 09:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  **1.7 million** Israelis were included in the study showing the Pfizer vaccine 99.3% effective against covid-19 disease. These vaccines are a scientific miracle to use an oxymoron LOL. The details can be found at the link -

God Bless President Trump. He defied the scientific experts and made it happen much sooner than expected.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...s-n1207411

(03-23-2021 09:48 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-23-2021 12:19 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Most posters on here aren't anti-vaxxers. I don't think being cautious or against the Covid19 vaccine makes you an anti-vaxxer. There's been a lot of misinformation and politicizing of it. People are smart to be wary (and ultimately I would hope choose to get it). The only true antivaxxer I know of on this forum is ECUgrad07.

I only ask that those who refuse it also reduce their exposure to others until a vast majority of the country has it. But adults gonna adult.

Don't know how many people on this board of true anti-vaxxers but there are a lot of people on this board that are self-centered ********. Those that proudly refused to wear masks because it interferes with their freedom. That claim they engage in behaviors that contribute to the spread of the disease - because they want to be free to do it. Then claim if you don't like it you should just stay in. So yeah self-centered and ******* I think would describe them.

On another note addressing some of the other posts and the bulshit found there -- one of the major reasons it's important to get vaccinated is to stem the spread of the disease. One of the problems with spreading the disease like this one is that it gives it an opportunity to mutate. It's the mutations give the virus a chance to escape the vaccine. That is, the virus needs a host to mutate, it needs to spread. We are already seeing mutations that are making the existing vaccines less efficacious. But the self-centered ******** here don't seem to care about that or at least they like to act like they don't. I'm not really concerned about them contracting the disease cuz they've brought it on themselves. But I am concerned about everyone else. The apparent inability to see that is the cause of all the bs posts above - you know about how take taking precautions interferes with their freedom at all.

Stay in the basement and frick off.

I've already had it so

Got my first dose of the Pfizer covid vaccine yesterday. No side-effects except slightly tender at the injection site. I'm excited to join the other vaxers in rising up against the mask. You know it's coming. Most likely by Memorial Day. We shouldn't have to suffer with the mask just to protect those who refuse to protect themselves.

If I can ditch the mask and live my life normally I'll get the vaccine. Right now there is no incentive. They say the vaccinated still have to wear masks and social distance. The say my reward is I can get in a room with my family... well I am doing that anyway.

The moment that the CDC announces that the country has reached herd immunity I will refuse to wear a mask any more.

The point of a vaccine is to prevent you from getting a disease. This "vaccine" doesn't do that. You can still get COVID and transmit COVID, even if you take the shot. So, just like the flu shot, I'm not going to put something into my body unnecessarily. (I am not saying the flu shot and the COVID shot are the same thing, but what they DO have in common is that neither keep you from getting the virus.)

Mask mandates, social distancing, and attendance restrictions will continue (supposedly) even long after people are vaccinated. So, the argument about people needing to take the shot to "get back to normal" is moot.

I am 36, healthy, and am very conscious about what I put in my body. My immune system rocks, and so does my wife's. Our kids are not in any danger, based on what we know about COVID.

I am pretty sure all 4 of us in our house had COVID early last year. It sucked. (No, we didn't get tested because a test would tell me nothing I didn't already know, and it would help boost Cooper's case to keep the state closed.) But the human body is a hell of a thing, and we have all come out smelling like roses.

The fifth, and most important reason is that this is the United States of America, and I have the freedom to decide what is best for me and for my family despite what the current administrations in Raleigh and D.C. want.

I'll wrap up by saying, if you want to take the vaccine and it will help you feel safe, that's awesome! Go for it. But it definitely isn't "selfish" to not take the vaccine, and it certainly isn't a mark of shame.

This generous woman got it voluntarily. Didn't do her any good. If they counted covid vaccine deaths the way they counted covid deaths, it might make people think more.

http://www.mscnews.net/news/index.cfm?nk=71555

They can put "purported" all they want. But she went for the vaccine and never came home. Had a reaction right there in the center, taken by ambulance to the hospital from the vaccination location.

The Department of Health in the state can't say it was the vaccine without a a full autopsy--you know, the exact opposite of counting Covid deaths.

1) Why in hell would I get a "vaccine" for something that I have a 99% chance of surviving should I catch it. It is just a cold - the WHO even said that a few months ago to cover their butts.

2) Why would I take a "vaccine" that a) doesn't prevent me from getting it; b) doesn't prevent me from spreading it

They are using the term "vaccine" when it is NOT a vaccine in order to slip this by unsuspecting folks and prevent them from checking into it before volunteering to be a guinea pig. If you do a little basic research, you'll find that Big Pharma has been trying to get a working mRNA vaccine for years. During Sars, in the animal trials, the animals all showed a robust antibody response. However, later when exposed to the virus, the animals got very sick and many died. Their immune system attacked their own cells, causing multiple organ failure. This is because the mRNA inserts code to replace your own code on which proteins to create. It makes your body produce the spike proteins of the virus. Later, your body can't differentiate between the invading virus and the code in each cell of your body, so your body has an intense immune reaction.

In a vaccine, either a dead or severely weakened virus is part of the solution that is injected. In these mRNA "vaccines" there is no covid virus. They are turning your body into a pathogen factory. In the process, your immune system is severely weakened. Just so you know, not one researcher has been able to isolate this virus. Not one.

This virus mutates rapidly, acccording to virologists. Therefore, you are being injected with something that is an old strain. A very prominent Belgian virologist who has been in charge of many large scale vaccination programs worldwide and has helped develop many vaccines, warned recently that this strategy is the worst thing we can do and might possibly lead to a worldwide disaster. He realizes he is putting his own reputation at risk but feels the danger is that great. Look it up.

There are many virologists who have warned people NOT to get these vaccines, as once they are in you, it can not be reversed. However, they have been censored and silenced by the media and the medical establishment. These doctors predict many deaths in the coming months that will be due to the bodies' reaction to the next time they encounter a covid virus in the wild. They will die of a massive immune system reaction and their deaths will be termed covid deaths. But they will be due to taking the vaccine and the result will be a cytokine storm in the body.

I've never been an anti vaxxer. But the speed of development (Big Pharma already had this ready), lack of animal safety trials and the huge propaganda push to have everybody get this made me curious to find out more about it. Let's just say I don't trust Big Pharma and I'd prefer to let others be the guinea pigs.

I have to make my own decisions and so does everybody else. I do not tell others what to do. That is their decision. I guess that is what makes me different than the author of this thread. Call me crazy or maybe do some basic research. The info is out there. We've got lots of sheep that will believe anything the media or our medical 'experts' say. You can research and think for yourself or just believe what you are told.

Great post +3

(03-26-2021 08:30 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  1) Why in hell would I get a "vaccine" for something that I have a 99% chance of surviving should I catch it. It is just a cold - the WHO even said that a few months ago to cover their butts.

2) Why would I take a "vaccine" that a) doesn't prevent me from getting it; b) doesn't prevent me from spreading it

1) The chance of surviving is not what convinced me to get the vaccine. The "long-haul" effects is what gave me the shot in the arm. It's the exact same reason why I decided to get a flu shot for the first time in 20 years a few years ago. After catching the flu twice and realizing I never truly recovered 100% after each flu episode (and even saw the "light" at the peak of the last one), it suddenly made sense to get the shot. Same with Covid, but it's much worse than the flu with it's "long-haul" effects. The founder/CEO of Texas Roadhouse recently committed suicide over such "long-haul" effects. I think it was tinnitus that got him. Sure you're likely to survive, but if survival is what you're mainly basing you're decision on, you really need to do more research. If you catch Covid (or have caught it in the past), expect to have a decent chance of some annoying condition for the rest of your life like ringing in the ears, covid-toe, difficult breathing, kidney problems, etc and many more we don't even know about yet that could crop up as you get older. Sounds a lot more risky than getting the shot.

2) All vaccines work the same way. None of them prevent you from catching the virus in your system. All of them are effective at limiting the spread of that virus in your system and thus making it less likely you'll get the disease symptoms or be able to transmit it.

There’s a reason it takes years to develop a vaccine.

(03-28-2021 04:32 PM)banker Wrote:  There’s a reason it takes years to develop a vaccine.

Actually, it doesn't. It does take years to navigate the FDA's approval process under normal circumstances.

The Moderna vaccine was designed before the United States had a confirmed case of the virus:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/...esign.html