(04-21-2021 06:51 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(04-20-2021 06:21 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And do you have a link on this alleged death? And has the CDC or VAERS confirmed it yet?

All I know is that it was serious enough to put a hold on the J&J vaccine for who knows how long. So it must have been serious. I doubt it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt outside a controlled scientific study. But to worry about a one in a million thing is ridiculous. If you're going to worry about death by blood clots due to vaccination, then you better not go swimming in the ocean, because you have a far greater chance of dying by shark bite, or even just randomly drowning. Some people just do not have the ability to appropriately weigh different levels of risk.

(04-20-2021 10:27 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  My wife has administered covid vaccines at a few clinics in the past two months. She has seen several cases of moderate to severe reactions immediately following vaccinations, though all were able to go home or to a doctor for a follow up within a few hours. She hasn't been vaccinating the elderly either, most in their 40s or 50s.

Of course you conveniently leave out the part where you ask her if it's any different among those who get flu shots. To which I have no doubt she'd have responded it was the same type of risk. I know this to be a fact because I have to wait for 15 min after a flu shot before leaving just like a covid shot. So why perpetuate a demon that we already know exists among all vaccinations as if it's something different or special for covid?!

As far as longer term risks to the shot, I should also point out we know for a fact that there's something called a "placebo effect". It means when you expect something to happen, you're more likely to "think" it's happening to you. So the next time you hear someone complaining about unusual symptoms in the days or weeks after the shot, ask yourself, are they really just having a "placebo effect" because they think and expect they should have that effect? Or better yet, if you ever think you're having an effect due to something, always remember it's human nature to have this "placebo effect", so you should always doubt yourself and try to rule it out beyond a reasonable doubt before making a big deal about it. Otherwise you can come off as sounding little crazy.

Scorpius, you DO know that a number of countries have halted the J&J shot because of many blood clotting incidents, right? There are other places other than the USA where people are getting the shot. Do some research as the info is not that hard to find.

You talk about worrying about a one in a million thing is ridiculous. For most people your chance of dying from covid is less than 1%. Kind of in the same ballpark as your ridiculous comment. What makes more sense - taking the chance with the virus or being a voluntary guinea pig in the largest medical experiment in world history? One where if you die or suffer lifelong effects, you can't sue the Pharma company. People who have suffered lifelong injury have found out the hard way that their health insurance and/or life insurance will not pay out because the "vaccine" is EXPERIMENTAL and not approved by the FDA. Emergency use only.

If you want to get vaccinated get vaccinated and stfu about it. Who the hell do people think they are?

(04-21-2021 07:44 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Scorpius, you DO know that a number of countries have halted the J&J shot because of many blood clotting incidents, right? There are other places other than the USA where people are getting the shot. Do some research as the info is not that hard to find.

The halt (at least in the U.S.) has more to do with making doctors aware of the unique treatment of these rare clots than any thought it's any more risky than any other vaccination. After all, certain forms of birth control involves blood clot risks much greater than what has been shown with these vaccines if you want to put this in perspective.

Quote:You talk about worrying about a one in a million thing is ridiculous. For most people your chance of dying from covid is less than 1%. Kind of in the same ballpark as your ridiculous comment. What makes more sense - taking the chance with the virus or being a voluntary guinea pig in the largest medical experiment in world history? One where if you die or suffer lifelong effects, you can't sue the Pharma company. People who have suffered lifelong injury have found out the hard way that their health insurance and/or life insurance will not pay out because the "vaccine" is EXPERIMENTAL and not approved by the FDA. Emergency use only.

Chance of dying from covid is less than 1%. Chance of dying after vaccination is far less, by order of magnitudes. Similar statistics for (you name it) any other disease we get vaccinated for, including the flu. So you can use the same argument for any vaccination. What it comes down to is weighing risk. And the argument this is "experimental" is ridiculous. I think the fact that 100's of millions have now had it should give comfort to it's safety and effectiveness. Not the opposite.

But I'm with you, people should never be required to be vaccinated. But they definitely should be schooled on the gamble and risk they are taking by their ultimate decision, based on the true facts. I sure wish people had schooled me more on the risks of the flu before I had to literally "see the light" to realize how risky it was to not get vaccinated for that.

(04-22-2021 03:01 AM)scorpius Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 07:44 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Scorpius, you DO know that a number of countries have halted the J&J shot because of many blood clotting incidents, right? There are other places other than the USA where people are getting the shot. Do some research as the info is not that hard to find.

The halt (at least in the U.S.) has more to do with making doctors aware of the unique treatment of these rare clots than any thought it's any more risky than any other vaccination. After all, certain forms of birth control involves blood clot risks much greater than what has been shown with these vaccines if you want to put this in perspective.

Quote:You talk about worrying about a one in a million thing is ridiculous. For most people your chance of dying from covid is less than 1%. Kind of in the same ballpark as your ridiculous comment. What makes more sense - taking the chance with the virus or being a voluntary guinea pig in the largest medical experiment in world history? One where if you die or suffer lifelong effects, you can't sue the Pharma company. People who have suffered lifelong injury have found out the hard way that their health insurance and/or life insurance will not pay out because the "vaccine" is EXPERIMENTAL and not approved by the FDA. Emergency use only.

Chance of dying from covid is less than 1%. Chance of dying after vaccination is far less, by order of magnitudes. Similar statistics for (you name it) any other disease we get vaccinated for, including the flu. So you can use the same argument for any vaccination. What it comes down to is weighing risk. And the argument this is "experimental" is ridiculous. I think the fact that 100's of millions have now had it should give comfort to it's safety and effectiveness. Not the opposite.

But I'm with you, people should never be required to be vaccinated. But they definitely should be schooled on the gamble and risk they are taking by their ultimate decision, based on the true facts. I sure wish people had schooled me more on the risks of the flu before I had to literally "see the light" to realize how risky it was to not get vaccinated for that.

I AM NOT GETTING THE SHOT UNTIL I AM GOOD AND G-D READY.....

YOUR OPINION IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT ..........

(04-21-2021 06:51 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(04-20-2021 06:21 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And do you have a link on this alleged death? And has the CDC or VAERS confirmed it yet?

All I know is that it was serious enough to put a hold on the J&J vaccine for who knows how long. So it must have been serious. I doubt it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt outside a controlled scientific study. But to worry about a one in a million thing is ridiculous. If you're going to worry about death by blood clots due to vaccination, then you better not go swimming in the ocean, because you have a far greater chance of dying by shark bite, or even just randomly drowning. Some people just do not have the ability to appropriately weigh different levels of risk.

(04-20-2021 10:27 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  My wife has administered covid vaccines at a few clinics in the past two months. She has seen several cases of moderate to severe reactions immediately following vaccinations, though all were able to go home or to a doctor for a follow up within a few hours. She hasn't been vaccinating the elderly either, most in their 40s or 50s.

Of course you conveniently leave out the part where you ask her if it's any different among those who get flu shots. To which I have no doubt she'd have responded it was the same type of risk. I know this to be a fact because I have to wait for 15 min after a flu shot before leaving just like a covid shot. So why perpetuate a demon that we already know exists among all vaccinations as if it's something different or special for covid?!

[b]As far as longer term risks to the shot, I should also point out we know for a fact that there's something called a "placebo effect". It means when you expect something to happen, you're more likely to "think" it's happening to you. So the next time you hear someone complaining about unusual symptoms in the days or weeks after the shot, ask yourself, are they really just having a "placebo effect" because they think and expect they should have that effect? Or better yet, if you ever think you're having an effect due to something, always remember it's human nature to have this "placebo effect", so you should always doubt yourself and try to rule it out beyond a reasonable doubt before making a big deal about it. Otherwise you can come off as sounding little crazy.[/b]

Does the placebo effect apply to all the dire predictions of what will happen when contracting a virus that you have a extremely high chance of surviving?

(04-21-2021 08:00 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  If you want to get vaccinated get vaccinated and stfu about it. Who the hell do people think they are?

Its this simple. You want a vaccine, get one. Dont worry about me. Also, on a covid related note, I saw a commercial last night saying we all have to do our part to stop the spread - wear a mask, stay 6 ft apart, and stay home unless you absolutely must get out. Those days are long gone. We're back to normal.

(04-22-2021 07:40 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 08:00 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  If you want to get vaccinated get vaccinated and stfu about it. Who the hell do people think they are?

Its this simple. You want a vaccine, get one. Dont worry about me. Also, on a covid related note, I saw a commercial last night saying we all have to do our part to stop the spread - wear a mask, stay 6 ft apart, and stay home unless you absolutely must get out. Those days are long gone. We're back to normal.

I'm not sure what the statistics are in your state, but here in Virginia, more people are still catching it everyday on average than at any point last summer. So the facts say, if you're not vaccinated, you should still be more paranoid about it than you were last summer... at least here in Virginia.

BUT me being vaccinated, I don't have to stress over it at all. Even if I catch it, I'm still highly unlikely to get sick.. and all but no chance of even being hospitalized. So I can all but throw off my mask without a care in the world.

(04-21-2021 07:52 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Getting the first vaccine Friday. Looks like my office is going to require it and I'd rather it be on my terms, which is Pfizer. My mom got it with no side effects. My brother and sister got Moderna and were extremely sick... my sister almost went to the ER. So hoping genetics gives me no reaction to Pfizer. Not happy about it and not ready yet, but on the other hand don't want to go to the office and be forced into the Moderna... and I get paid well and feed 5 mouths so I'm really in no position to resist. Ticks me off because I have been going into the office anyway (my preference) and now that they are phasing out of telework, their lawyers are telling them to require it.

Moderna is more prone to side effects.

I got Pfizer.

(04-21-2021 07:43 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 06:51 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(04-20-2021 10:27 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  My wife has administered covid vaccines at a few clinics in the past two months. She has seen several cases of moderate to severe reactions immediately following vaccinations, though all were able to go home or to a doctor for a follow up within a few hours. She hasn't been vaccinating the elderly either, most in their 40s or 50s.

Of course you conveniently leave out the part where you ask her if it's any different among those who get flu shots. To which I have no doubt she'd have responded it was the same type of risk. I know this to be a fact because I have to wait for 15 min after a flu shot before leaving just like a covid shot. So why perpetuate a demon that we already know exists among all vaccinations as if it's something different or special for covid?!

As far as longer term risks to the shot, I should also point out we know for a fact that there's something called a "placebo effect". It means when you expect something to happen, you're more likely to "think" it's happening to you. So the next time you hear someone complaining about unusual symptoms in the days or weeks after the shot, ask yourself, are they really just having a "placebo effect" because they think and expect they should have that effect? Or better yet, if you ever think you're having an effect due to something, always remember it's human nature to have this "placebo effect", so you should always doubt yourself and try to rule it out beyond a reasonable doubt before making a big deal about it. Otherwise you can come off as sounding little crazy.

I didn't conveniently leave anything out. This discussion is about covid shots, not flu shots. She's a school nurse vaccinating teachers and faculty specifically for covid. She's a veteran ER and labor & delivery nurse. She knows the difference between common injection site reactions, vasovagal syncope, and more serious reactions where they notify the doctor on-site or call for an ambulance just in case. To date nobody has had to go immediately to the ER, but they have called for relatives and sent shot recipients to the doctor for flow up.

I'm not worried about what happens in the days or weeks following the shot. By and large we already know. It appears to be isolated cases of moderately severe side effects. I'm talking about 12, 18, 24 months. That's the timeframe after vacination that previous coronavirus vaccines have had disasterous in previous attempts. I know one works different, but it's the same family of virus that has frustrated scientists for 60 years.

In my family several older members have gotten their shots. My uncle got his with no issues. My grandfather was 4 weeks removed from his second when he suffered a stroke and passed 10 days later. My mom got her second Monday afternoon. She went to bed with a sore arm Tuesday night and slept from 10pm until 230 pm this afternoon.

It's a decision for every individual to make. Personally, I think it's dangerous for those of us at low or moderate risk given the unknown. I think it's foolish for people to not question something that is being pushed so hard for a illness with a 99+% survival rate.

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That survival rate is dramatically lower once you get above age 50 and it gets very bad when you reach 80.

(04-22-2021 07:52 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 07:40 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-21-2021 08:00 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  If you want to get vaccinated get vaccinated and stfu about it. Who the hell do people think they are?

Its this simple. You want a vaccine, get one. Dont worry about me. Also, on a covid related note, I saw a commercial last night saying we all have to do our part to stop the spread - wear a mask, stay 6 ft apart, and stay home unless you absolutely must get out. Those days are long gone. We're back to normal.

I'm not sure what the statistics are in your state, but here in Virginia, more people are still catching it everyday on average than at any point last summer. So the facts say, if you're not vaccinated, you should still be more paranoid about it than you were last summer... at least here in Virginia.

BUT me being vaccinated, I don't have to stress over it at all. Even if I catch it, I'm still highly unlikely to get sick.. and all but no chance of even being hospitalized. So I can all but throw off my mask without a care in the world.

There were still 31,000 deaths in the last month. Deaths are now at 568k. Roughly 173,000 people have died of Covid in the 3 months under Biden's watch, a higher rate than the last 3 months under President Trump (not that you would know that unless you looked at real numbers and not what the media feeds you).

It ain't over til its over.

(04-22-2021 08:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  There were still 31,000 deaths in the last month. Deaths are now at 568k. Roughly 173,000 people have died of Covid in the 3 months under Biden's watch, a higher rate than the last 3 months under President Trump (not that you would know that unless you looked at real numbers and not what the media feeds you).

It ain't over til its over.

Reality is we likely wouldn't have even had 100k Covid deaths had Biden been President when this hit. (or Hillary) But of course that's not what the fake media feeds you. They don't refer to themselves as "the media" for a reason. That's because they are fake.

Another case in point. MSNBC and CNN never suggest the other is "fake". Yet Newsmax openly warns us not to be outFOXed. When right-wing media openly admits each other is fake, you KNOW there is a problem. But of course you haven't picked up on any of this.

(04-23-2021 01:12 AM)scorpius Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 08:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  There were still 31,000 deaths in the last month. Deaths are now at 568k. Roughly 173,000 people have died of Covid in the 3 months under Biden's watch, a higher rate than the last 3 months under President Trump (not that you would know that unless you looked at real numbers and not what the media feeds you).

It ain't over til its over.

Reality is we likely wouldn't have even had 100k Covid deaths had Biden been President when this hit. (or Hillary) But of course that's not what the fake media feeds you. They don't refer to themselves as "the media" for a reason. That's because they are fake.

Another case in point. MSNBC and CNN never suggest the other is "fake". Yet Newsmax openly warns us not to be outFOXed. When right-wing media openly admits each other is fake, you KNOW there is a problem. But of course you haven't picked up on any of this.

This is undeniably true. If Hillary (or Beijing Biden) had been president when this virus hit, the vast majority of those “covid” deaths would have been reclassified as something more politically palatable.

The levels of damage done to our nation by academia, by the major media and by the deep-state corruptocrats is immeasurable.

(04-23-2021 05:10 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(04-23-2021 01:12 AM)scorpius Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 08:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  There were still 31,000 deaths in the last month. Deaths are now at 568k. Roughly 173,000 people have died of Covid in the 3 months under Biden's watch, a higher rate than the last 3 months under President Trump (not that you would know that unless you looked at real numbers and not what the media feeds you).

It ain't over til its over.

Reality is we likely wouldn't have even had 100k Covid deaths had Biden been President when this hit. (or Hillary) But of course that's not what the fake media feeds you. They don't refer to themselves as "the media" for a reason. That's because they are fake.

Another case in point. MSNBC and CNN never suggest the other is "fake". Yet Newsmax openly warns us not to be outFOXed. When right-wing media openly admits each other is fake, you KNOW there is a problem. But of course you haven't picked up on any of this.

This is undeniably true. If Hillary (or Beijing Biden) had been president when this virus hit, the vast majority of those “covid” deaths would have been reclassified as something more politically palatable.

The levels of damage done to our nation by academia, by the major media and by the deep-state corruptocrats is immeasurable.

It would have been a really bad flu season and big pharma missed the strain in the flu shot. Nothing Crooked Hillary can do about that. But the Chinese release a new plague on the world and it’s Trumps fault because he didn’t weld everyone’s doors shut for our safety.


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(04-23-2021 01:12 AM)scorpius Wrote:  Reality is we likely wouldn't have even had 100k Covid deaths had Biden been President when this hit. (or Hillary)

Yeah, Biden* the guy who was involved in shovel ready jobs & cash for clunkers, has done a magnificent job recently at the US/ Mexico border, and cant complete a sentence would have kept it under 100K bwahahahahahahahaha

BTW- flipping channels last night and saw Ole Miss/ LSU baseball on TV from Oxford. No social distancing and no masks in the crowd due to Miss lifting their mask mandate. So nice to see a stadium look normal again

(04-23-2021 08:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  BTW- flipping channels last night and saw Ole Miss/ LSU baseball on TV from Oxford. No social distancing and no masks in the crowd due to Miss lifting their mask mandate. So nice to see a stadium look normal again

It's nice living in the free world isn't it

Nice.
Retirement home on lockdown after fully vaccinated residents test positive.

Quote:The Armed Forces Retirement Home in Gulfport is under lockdown once again after six fully vaccinated residents tested positive for COVID-19 in the past few days. That’s according to the retirement home’s public affairs officer, Christopher Kelly.

Thousands of people test positive for COVID after receiving experimental vaccines, dozens more die

India has set two new 'records' for most positive covid cases in a day over the past two days. Now granted India has about 4x the population of the United States, but I don't think these comparisons are a coincidence when it comes to the U.S. covid cases vs India cases these days.

India - 8 pct of population 1st dose, 1 pct fully vaccinated
USA - 39.6 pct of population 1st dose, 24.8 pct fully vaccinated

I would expect India's numbers to get much worse over the coming days. All we can hope for is that their death totals remain relatively low (certainly they're still lower than the highest daily totals the U.S. has seen).

(04-23-2021 06:20 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Thousands of people test positive for COVID after receiving experimental vaccines, dozens more die

While you chase your boogeymen with "One America" and their "experimental" vaccine and how direly fatal it is, reality is many more people are suffering and dying after recovering from covid than anything associated with any "experimental" vaccine. The evidence for this is becoming more and more clear every week as new study results are being released.

Study: COVID-19 Can Kill Months After Infection

Long-haul COVID-19 patients face many health threats -- including a higher chance of dying -- up to 6 months after they catch the virus, according to a massive study published in the journal Nature.

A second study, released by the CDC on Friday, also found lingering symptoms months later among COVID-19 patients who originally had mild symptoms.

So where are the real studies showing any significant risk after taking any of the vaccines? All I see is fake boogeyman propaganda from the far right. No real studies to speak of. Just demonization of expected insignificant side-effects of vaccines or something that has happened in other experimental applications of mRNA which scientists say is irrelevant to how it's applied in these vaccines.