(03-22-2021 12:59 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 12:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

Covid-19 year. Seeds are jumbled more than normal because we didn't get a full season of games.

Meaningless record.

But I thought you said that it was a roughly typical tournament? Sorry but that's just 1000% wrong.

Oregon beats Iowa. Impressive for the PAC. The BIG now joins the ACC with a weak overall showing.

Luka Garza is such an awesome college player. What an effort.


And holy $&@! What a tourney for the PAC so far.

(03-22-2021 01:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 12:59 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 12:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

Covid-19 year. Seeds are jumbled more than normal because we didn't get a full season of games.

Meaningless record.

But I thought you said that it was a roughly typical tournament? Sorry but that's just 1000% wrong.

It's typical in the larger grouping results. The bottom 20 basically eliminated, the schools in the top 25 seeds mostly left. The major 6 will likely have their normal 11 or 12 of the sweet 16.

It's just that the seeds, especially 1-6 range, are jumbled from insufficient date. B1G over seeded, Pac-12 under seeded.

(03-22-2021 01:15 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Oregon beats Iowa. Impressive for the PAC. The BIG now joins the ACC with a weak overall showing.

Look, I love the Big Ten (as all of you know), but this isn't just a weak showing: this is an abomination. There's a good chance that this league won't have *anyone* in the Sweet Sixteen when it had 4 of the top 8 seeds in the entire tournament and 9 bids overall. That's bonkers.

It does show how much the lack of non-conference games really impacted the perceptions of leagues. There was an underlying assumption from the beginning that the Big Ten was strong this year (which, to be fair, I personally believed up until 24 hours ago), but that assumption couldn't be proven or disproven one way or the other with so few non-conference game data points. So, the media and NCAA Tournament committee just took it as an article of faith that the Big Ten was the best conference in the country. We (in the Big Ten) all benefited from a largely conference-only schedule this year in terms of national perception that, in hindsight, wasn't deserved.

Comically/historically bad performance by the Big Ten.
They were seeded to have 4 teams in the Elite Eight.
At most, they will have 2 teams reach the Sweet Sixteen (and could be eliminated before the round of 16).

(03-22-2021 01:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 01:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 12:59 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 12:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

Covid-19 year. Seeds are jumbled more than normal because we didn't get a full season of games.

Meaningless record.

But I thought you said that it was a roughly typical tournament? Sorry but that's just 1000% wrong.

It's typical in the larger grouping results. The bottom 20 basically eliminated, the schools in the top 25 seeds mostly left. The major 6 will likely have their normal 11 or 12 of the sweet 16.

It's just that the seeds, especially 1-6 range, are jumbled from insufficient date. B1G over seeded, Pac-12 under seeded.

At best we're going to have it with only 8 top 16 seeds, which is how people normally look at things. It's hardly been a typical tournament. Already guaranteed to have 4 teams overall 41 or worse in the sweet 16.

(03-22-2021 01:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 01:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 12:59 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 12:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

Covid-19 year. Seeds are jumbled more than normal because we didn't get a full season of games.

Meaningless record.

But I thought you said that it was a roughly typical tournament? Sorry but that's just 1000% wrong.

It's typical in the larger grouping results. The bottom 20 basically eliminated, the schools in the top 25 seeds mostly left. The major 6 will likely have their normal 11 or 12 of the sweet 16.

It's just that the seeds, especially 1-6 range, are jumbled from insufficient date. B1G over seeded, Pac-12 under seeded.

When your conference champion loses at home to a 3-15 team, they weren't underseeded and Oregon State should be happy they were in the tournament at all. Even if you think the NET is a load of crap this year (which it might be), there's no way to justify that.

(03-22-2021 12:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Just looking the remaining 7 games the lower seed winning all 7 would come up to 27. Assuming Iowa wins here- 64+27 is 91.

That can’t be right. Ohio is a 13 seed and Abilene Christian is 14 seed. Just those two teams winning gets an additional 27.

This year, the Tournament results are really crazy. I don’t know that teams are necessarily miss-seeded. To me it’s more likely resulting from all the COVID-related issues. The lack of practices, missed games and normal routines makes it harder to have reliably stronger teams. It’s not just issues like those at VCU and UVA...those examples are more extreme.

Hopefully, the teams that stay in the bubble for another week will be able to get into routines.

(03-22-2021 01:34 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 12:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Just looking the remaining 7 games the lower seed winning all 7 would come up to 27. Assuming Iowa wins here- 64+27 is 91.

That can’t be right. Ohio is a 13 seed and Abilene Christian is 14 seed. Just those two teams winning gets an additional 27.

This year, the Tournament results are really crazy. I don’t know that teams are necessarily miss-seeded. To me it’s more likely resulting from all the COVID-related issues. The lack of practices, missed games and normal routines makes it harder to have reliably stronger teams. It’s not just issues like those at VCU and UVA...those examples are more extreme.

Hopefully, the teams that stay in the bubble for another week will be able to get into routines.

when I say lower seed there- I mean the better seeded teams..
Gonzaga
UCLA
Creighton
Michigan
Florida St
Alabama
Kansas

(03-22-2021 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 01:34 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 12:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Just looking the remaining 7 games the lower seed winning all 7 would come up to 27. Assuming Iowa wins here- 64+27 is 91.

That can’t be right. Ohio is a 13 seed and Abilene Christian is 14 seed. Just those two teams winning gets an additional 27.

This year, the Tournament results are really crazy. I don’t know that teams are necessarily miss-seeded. To me it’s more likely resulting from all the COVID-related issues. The lack of practices, missed games and normal routines makes it harder to have reliably stronger teams. It’s not just issues like those at VCU and UVA...those examples are more extreme.

Hopefully, the teams that stay in the bubble for another week will be able to get into routines.

when I say lower seed there- I mean the better seeded teams..
Gonzaga
UCLA
Creighton
Michigan
Florida St
Alabama
Kansas

Got it...lol

(03-22-2021 01:40 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 01:34 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 12:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Just looking the remaining 7 games the lower seed winning all 7 would come up to 27. Assuming Iowa wins here- 64+27 is 91.

That can’t be right. Ohio is a 13 seed and Abilene Christian is 14 seed. Just those two teams winning gets an additional 27.

This year, the Tournament results are really crazy. I don’t know that teams are necessarily miss-seeded. To me it’s more likely resulting from all the COVID-related issues. The lack of practices, missed games and normal routines makes it harder to have reliably stronger teams. It’s not just issues like those at VCU and UVA...those examples are more extreme.

Hopefully, the teams that stay in the bubble for another week will be able to get into routines.

when I say lower seed there- I mean the better seeded teams..
Gonzaga
UCLA
Creighton
Michigan
Florida St
Alabama
Kansas

Got it...lol

It's tough in how you say that....

Of course not expecting the 7 teams there to win by any stretch since... .it's March.

4th Sweet 16 in the last 5 tournaments for the Ducks.

Oklahoma auditioning for the Pac 12 up on Gonzaga early 16-12.

OK, I admit it - the B1G was overrated and overseeded. And I don't care if Michigan wins the national title and Maryland beats Alabama today, that's two teams. The conference overall has been one massive pratfall.

The committee often overrated the B1G, and so the B1G rakes in cash. They got 9 credits right off the bat and currently have more credits than the PAC, which has performed way better. A travesty.

(03-22-2021 01:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

Very sad. Truly one of the handful of greatest players ever.

(03-22-2021 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  OK, I admit it - the B1G was overrated and overseeded. And I don't care if Michigan wins the national title and Maryland beats Alabama today, that's two teams. The conference overall has been one massive pratfall.

The committee often overrated the B1G, and so the B1G rakes in cash. They got 9 credits right off the bat and currently have more credits than the PAC, which has performed way better. A travesty.

Nah, I think the right teams got in. Arizona would be the 6th Pac-12, but they are headed to probation. You can't make much of a case for either Stanford or Washington State, both are as bad or worse than than Louisville, Colorado State, Duke, Ole Miss and St. John's.

Seeds his year are the result of incomplete season data. Pac-12 had fewer games, so that is just the way it played out. LUC was better than their seed, and probably the committee downgraded the MVC a bit too much. But beyond that I have a hard time complaining. Every mid-major at-large was knocked out in the first round. So the quality wasn't there. Oral Roberts played fantastic, well coached; good for them.

I think you guys are looking for things to complain about.

Enjoy the tournament. This Gonzaga team has three first round draft picks, two lottery picks, one possibly the top pick. Oklahoma is good team. This is great.

(03-22-2021 02:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  OK, I admit it - the B1G was overrated and overseeded. And I don't care if Michigan wins the national title and Maryland beats Alabama today, that's two teams. The conference overall has been one massive pratfall.

The committee often overrated the B1G, and so the B1G rakes in cash. They got 9 credits right off the bat and currently have more credits than the PAC, which has performed way better. A travesty.

Nah, I think the right teams got in. Arizona would be the 6th Pac-12, but they are headed to probation. You can't make much of a case for either Stanford or Washington State, both are as bad or worse than than Louisville, Colorado State, Duke, Ole Miss and St. John's.

Seeds his year are the result of incomplete season data. Pac-12 had fewer games, so that is just the way it played out. LUC was better than their seed, and probably the committee downgraded the MVC a bit too much. But beyond that I have a hard time complaining. Every mid-major at-large was knocked out in the first round. So the quality wasn't there. Oral Roberts played fantastic, well coached; good for them.

I think you guys are looking for things to complain about.

Enjoy the tournament. This Gonzaga team has three first round draft picks, two lottery picks, one possibly the top pick. Oklahoma is good team. This is great.

FWIW, I am enjoying the tournament very much, including the Oklahoma-Gonzaga game right now.

But I can still blast the B1G for getting a ton of high seeded teams in. I don't ever recall a conference getting so many high seeds in and have so many of them immediately fall on their face.