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(03-18-2021 06:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 10:23 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  >Terry gets paid via the radio contract with UC.

Point taken, though Terry gets paid no matter who the coach is.

^If Terry came out hard against the current UC program he might risk his job with 700wlw. A former player, now broadcaster, ripping UC might cause UC to push 700 to fire Terry. Might not but Terry had to be careful about what he says.

Or Terry could have said nothing at all. He chose to speak and put it in writing.

Terry ripped them during games all year for not being taught or learning to play D, begging Brannen to let him teach guys how to actually take a charge, saying we are not tough,

The comments from Nelson sounded canned in the midst of a tornado of awful PR.

The fact that nobody from UC has said a peep is troubling. Perhaps one of the seniors from Brannen’s 1st season will step up and say how great of a guy he is. We already know Cumberland thinks he is a doosh nozzle jerk

We will know this is full on disaster containment when Dan Hoard comes out with an always well written article that eases fears and instills confidence in John Wooden Brannen on gobearcats.com 24-48 hours after Nelson’s comment.

(03-18-2021 06:47 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Thanks for posting, Namrag.

I will say it is telling that the guys transferring (minus Harvey) are guys that only experienced the weird COVID year. MAW and Davenport seem still on board. UC fans have to hope this insanity is just a product of kids reacting to weird circumstances and coaches just not handling it well plus the unprecedented transfer portal opportunity. Ultimately Brannen has to kill it in the late signing period if he has any hope of being successful here. He's shown he can identify talent and even develop it. Saunders made huge strides throughout his first year. Eason got better as the season went on. Davenport made an insane leap in year 2. About halfway through last season Tre Scott reached levels I never imagined him reaching as a college basketball player (and I always liked Tre Scott).

Well said.

In retrospect, CJB may have felt the increased pressure of a high major job and that he needed to take some chances on more heralded recruits who had the talent to win championships at this level. Harvey had baggage coming in that worried some here; Eason's mother's involvement, if judged by Twitter alone, was nothing short of bizarre and her stinging criticism and second guessing would have undermined any coach's effort to build team unity. The Madsens' insistence on attending the same high major program created yet another challenge and from a fan perspective it appeared that when Gabe didn't get the playing time right out of the gate as a freshman he simply quit. For some, Covid 19 was a legitimate reason; for others, a convenient, plausible excuse.

So it's entirely possible that Brannen now refocuses his recruiting on those who buy in to his coaching strategy and style. Or, bottom line, are more coachable. Davenport apparently does; ditto Adams-Woods and DeJulius.

Admittedly, his task appears monumental: to rebuild a suddenly depleted roster. But I appreciate Terry Nelson's comments and others in the coaching profession who see John as a winner and the 2021 portal as a treasure trove. By all appearances, Brannen will weather this storm and have a chance to right the ship in the coming months.

Unless there is a smoking gun here, CJB will be evaluated a year from now and it's fair to say he's put considerably more pressure on himself to turn this around in the next seven months and give fans a reason to believe before Louisville rolls into 5th/3rd in the fall.

(03-18-2021 07:50 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(03-18-2021 06:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 10:23 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  >Terry gets paid via the radio contract with UC.

Point taken, though Terry gets paid no matter who the coach is.

^If Terry came out hard against the current UC program he might risk his job with 700wlw. A former player, now broadcaster, ripping UC might cause UC to push 700 to fire Terry. Might not but Terry had to be careful about what he says.

Or Terry could have said nothing at all. He chose to speak and put it in writing.

If you don’t think a dime from someone at Linder Center could get one of our radio guys to send out a supportive tweet to reach out to fans...even if every word is 100% heartfelt, that was an ask. UC is stuck keeping Brannen.

Like I referenced, Dan Hoard is probably writing an article right now.

(03-18-2021 08:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-18-2021 07:50 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(03-18-2021 06:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 10:23 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  >Terry gets paid via the radio contract with UC.

Point taken, though Terry gets paid no matter who the coach is.

^If Terry came out hard against the current UC program he might risk his job with 700wlw. A former player, now broadcaster, ripping UC might cause UC to push 700 to fire Terry. Might not but Terry had to be careful about what he says.

Or Terry could have said nothing at all. He chose to speak and put it in writing.

If you don’t think a dime from someone at Linder Center could get one of our radio guys to send out a supportive tweet to reach out to fans...even if every word is 100% heartfelt, that was an ask. UC is stuck keeping Brannen.

Like I referenced, Dan Hoard is probably writing an article right now.

If it wasnt heartfelt I dont think Terry would do it. I dont know Terry personally but every time I see him at a game he will say Hi or smile in passing. He seems like a genuine nice guy and a straight shooter.

Terry didnt hold back with his dislike for some things mick did, his feelings on who the next coach should be or things brannens team need to work on.

I dont see Terry as a yes man.

If you are not Bezos or Musk, we are all yes men when it comes down to it.

That settles it, Terry Nelson is a Yes man.

It does seem to me that a lot of our former players that didn't play for Brannen seem to be found of him much more than Cronin for whatever the reason.

I hammered CJB pretty hard yesterday and would have been pleased at that time if he was canned. I still will say the publicity we received was a horrible look for the program, university, and especially for our coach, but I'll let this one play out before making those type of comments again.

Don't be afraid to add a guy like James White into an assistant role if he is ready. I do think a former player would help tremendously in bringing back that Bearcat toughness that CJB talks often about as well as helping coach create deeper bonds with our team. Jeremiah Davenport and MAW already seem to be there regarding toughness. It was the youngins besides Saunders that seemed to need some work in that area.

I am definitely not rooting against coach and would love for him to be successful here! The ball is in your hands coach!

How’s about the former UC players that actually played for him?

(03-18-2021 07:48 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-18-2021 07:37 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  I'm leaning Brannen too guys. This year largely sucked to watch, i can imagine how much it sucked to experience isolated on campus away from home for the first time in your life and without fans to lift you up.

That said, you have to see the bigger picture. This transfer portal thing is so trendy this year was kind of a perfect storm. It would have been nice to have a real vocal senior leader who was in Brannen's camp.

I wonder if there is ANY chance any of the guys in the portal decide to come back?

I wondered this too...
f a player puts their name in can they pull it back out?
If you were their coach and they decided to bail on you do you want them back?

i believe that, until and/or unless a player commits elsewhere, his old school is still an option, if that school wants to kiss and make up. i think a lot depends on who tweets what (burnin' bridges), and how UC has seemed to recover from the mass exodus, if at all

(03-18-2021 08:29 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  How’s about the former UC players that actually played for him?

Note taken and crossed my mind but I don't follow JC, Tre, etc. on Twitter myself. JC is a stubborn guy as well, but would love to know what other players on last years team think of current situation.

(03-18-2021 07:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Terry ripped them during games all year for not being taught or learning to play D, begging Brannen to let him teach guys how to actually take a charge, saying we are not tough,

The comments from Nelson sounded canned in the midst of a tornado of awful PR.

The fact that nobody from UC has said a peep is troubling. Perhaps one of the seniors from Brannen’s 1st season will step up and say how great of a guy he is. We already know Cumberland thinks he is a doosh nozzle jerk

My takeaway from all of this - I need to educate myself more on douches. I was not aware they had nozzles. Are they as pleasant as bidets?

(03-18-2021 08:25 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  It does seem to me that a lot of our former players that didn't play for Brannen seem to be found of him much more than Cronin for whatever the reason.

I hammered CJB pretty hard yesterday and would have been pleased at that time if he was canned. I still will say the publicity we received was a horrible look for the program, university, and especially for our coach, but I'll let this one play out before making those type of comments again.

Don't be afraid to add a guy like James White into an assistant role if he is ready. I do think a former player would help tremendously in bringing back that Bearcat toughness that CJB talks often about as well as helping coach create deeper bonds with our team. Jeremiah Davenport and MAW already seem to be there regarding toughness. It was the youngins besides Saunders that seemed to need some work in that area.

I am definitely not rooting against coach and would love for him to be successful here! The ball is in your hands coach!

Didn’t James White pretty much give up on his team that was going into the NIT, writing off the rest of the season and skipping classes?

Or is that revisionist history? You want that guy to teach toughness, loyalty, and persistence?

(03-18-2021 08:35 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  

(03-18-2021 07:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Terry ripped them during games all year for not being taught or learning to play D, begging Brannen to let him teach guys how to actually take a charge, saying we are not tough,

The comments from Nelson sounded canned in the midst of a tornado of awful PR.

The fact that nobody from UC has said a peep is troubling. Perhaps one of the seniors from Brannen’s 1st season will step up and say how great of a guy he is. We already know Cumberland thinks he is a doosh nozzle jerk

My takeaway from all of this - I need to educate myself more on douches. I was not aware they had nozzles. Are they as pleasant as bidets?

Nowhere near as pleasant, especially if your bidet is hooked up to the hot water line.

(03-18-2021 08:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-18-2021 07:50 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(03-18-2021 06:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 10:23 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  >Terry gets paid via the radio contract with UC.

Point taken, though Terry gets paid no matter who the coach is.

^If Terry came out hard against the current UC program he might risk his job with 700wlw. A former player, now broadcaster, ripping UC might cause UC to push 700 to fire Terry. Might not but Terry had to be careful about what he says.

Or Terry could have said nothing at all. He chose to speak and put it in writing.

If you don’t think a dime from someone at Linder Center could get one of our radio guys to send out a supportive tweet to reach out to fans...even if every word is 100% heartfelt, that was an ask. UC is stuck keeping Brannen.

Like I referenced, Dan Hoard is probably writing an article right now.

So glad you are privy to Dan Hoards thinking...I’d prefer to wait and see before I pass judgment

Idk where else to put this but you guys should give Cunningham more credit. He's knows what's happening.

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(03-18-2021 08:43 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(03-18-2021 08:25 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  It does seem to me that a lot of our former players that didn't play for Brannen seem to be found of him much more than Cronin for whatever the reason.

I hammered CJB pretty hard yesterday and would have been pleased at that time if he was canned. I still will say the publicity we received was a horrible look for the program, university, and especially for our coach, but I'll let this one play out before making those type of comments again.

Don't be afraid to add a guy like James White into an assistant role if he is ready. I do think a former player would help tremendously in bringing back that Bearcat toughness that CJB talks often about as well as helping coach create deeper bonds with our team. Jeremiah Davenport and MAW already seem to be there regarding toughness. It was the youngins besides Saunders that seemed to need some work in that area.

I am definitely not rooting against coach and would love for him to be successful here! The ball is in your hands coach!

Didn’t James White pretty much give up on his team that was going into the NIT, writing off the rest of the season and skipping classes?

Or is that revisionist history? You want that guy to teach toughness, loyalty, and persistence?

It could be anyone. I just mentioned him as an example since he's been so active regarding our situation. Obviously due diligence is on the whoever the HC is at the time to do.

I do love that there seems to be a Bearcat bond from former players no matter the era they played in.

(03-18-2021 08:23 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If you are not Bezos or Musk, we are all yes men when it comes down to it.

(03-18-2021 08:54 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Idk where else to put this but you guys should give Cunningham more credit. He's knows what's happening.

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Credit for what exactly?