The more you pay the bigger the buyout which can dissuade programs.

Also a guy like Few some ADs think wouldn't be a good fit with their one and done culture.

(03-17-2021 09:10 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Miami has made the NCAA's 17 times a fact that would surprise a lot of people.

The story is that in the MAC's early days there wasn't as many members (WMU, Toledo, BG, Miami, Kent, Ohio) and both Miami and Ohio to a lessor extent were in front athletically as older schools with more tradition.

Kent State when they were first added to the MAC was a project athletic school like Buffalo was when added and for many decades struggled in men's basketball.

Over time the other schools in the MAC caught up to Miami on coaching and facilities. Miami having a high percentage of out-of-state students and less alums to send to the tournament in Cleveland is also factor, especially compared to Kent/Akron who are right next door.

Miami sucking the past decade or so has less to do with facilities and more that our AD basically diverted all attention from basketball to hockey stating the early 2000s. Sending fans to Cleveland has even less to do with it.

(03-17-2021 09:58 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:10 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Miami has made the NCAA's 17 times a fact that would surprise a lot of people.

The story is that in the MAC's early days there wasn't as many members (WMU, Toledo, BG, Miami, Kent, Ohio) and both Miami and Ohio to a lessor extent were in front athletically as older schools with more tradition.

Kent State when they were first added to the MAC was a project athletic school like Buffalo was when added and for many decades struggled in men's basketball.

Over time the other schools in the MAC caught up to Miami on coaching and facilities. Miami having a high percentage of out-of-state students and less alums to send to the tournament in Cleveland is also factor, especially compared to Kent/Akron who are right next door.

Miami sucking the past decade or so has less to do with facilities and more that our AD basically diverted all attention from basketball to hockey stating the early 2000s. Sending fans to Cleveland has even less to do with it.

I'm honestly shocked Miami's hockey has been as poor as it has considering its history and the support it gets. I expected it to at least be as good as Denver's program.

(03-17-2021 11:15 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:58 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:10 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Miami has made the NCAA's 17 times a fact that would surprise a lot of people.

The story is that in the MAC's early days there wasn't as many members (WMU, Toledo, BG, Miami, Kent, Ohio) and both Miami and Ohio to a lessor extent were in front athletically as older schools with more tradition.

Kent State when they were first added to the MAC was a project athletic school like Buffalo was when added and for many decades struggled in men's basketball.

Over time the other schools in the MAC caught up to Miami on coaching and facilities. Miami having a high percentage of out-of-state students and less alums to send to the tournament in Cleveland is also factor, especially compared to Kent/Akron who are right next door.

Miami sucking the past decade or so has less to do with facilities and more that our AD basically diverted all attention from basketball to hockey stating the early 2000s. Sending fans to Cleveland has even less to do with it.

I'm honestly shocked Miami's hockey has been as poor as it has considering its history and the support it gets. I expected it to at least be as good as Denver's program.

Yes, from 2005-2015 you would see Miami hockey jerseys/apparel in the Chicago area frequently. “The Brotherhood” recruited a lot of Chicago players who happened to also be Italian. It’s crazy how much they’ve fallen off, and Enrico Blasi went from a genius to getting fired.

(03-17-2021 09:58 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:10 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Miami has made the NCAA's 17 times a fact that would surprise a lot of people.

The story is that in the MAC's early days there wasn't as many members (WMU, Toledo, BG, Miami, Kent, Ohio) and both Miami and Ohio to a lessor extent were in front athletically as older schools with more tradition.

Kent State when they were first added to the MAC was a project athletic school like Buffalo was when added and for many decades struggled in men's basketball.

Over time the other schools in the MAC caught up to Miami on coaching and facilities. Miami having a high percentage of out-of-state students and less alums to send to the tournament in Cleveland is also factor, especially compared to Kent/Akron who are right next door.

Miami sucking the past decade or so has less to do with facilities and more that our AD basically diverted all attention from basketball to hockey stating the early 2000s. Sending fans to Cleveland has even less to do with it.

I'm talking about comparing where Miami was in the 1960's in relative terms to the MAC when it was a dominate force.

Most of which is attributable to MAC having more teams and time for other schools to build up facilities and tradition.

(03-18-2021 03:17 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:58 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:10 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Miami has made the NCAA's 17 times a fact that would surprise a lot of people.

The story is that in the MAC's early days there wasn't as many members (WMU, Toledo, BG, Miami, Kent, Ohio) and both Miami and Ohio to a lessor extent were in front athletically as older schools with more tradition.

Kent State when they were first added to the MAC was a project athletic school like Buffalo was when added and for many decades struggled in men's basketball.

Over time the other schools in the MAC caught up to Miami on coaching and facilities. Miami having a high percentage of out-of-state students and less alums to send to the tournament in Cleveland is also factor, especially compared to Kent/Akron who are right next door.

Miami sucking the past decade or so has less to do with facilities and more that our AD basically diverted all attention from basketball to hockey stating the early 2000s. Sending fans to Cleveland has even less to do with it.

I'm talking about comparing where Miami was in the 1960's in relative terms to the MAC when it was a dominate force.

Most of which is attributable to MAC having more teams and time for other schools to build up facilities and tradition.

Miami made the tourney "only" twice in the 60s when we were still playing in what was basically a high school gymnasium. We made the tourney four times yet by that time Millett Hall was a clear drag on the program. Facilities aren't the reason we suck, the MAC and JAR for Akron and Kent aren't gems yet they've managed to stay competitive with decent support over the years.

(03-18-2021 08:27 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(03-18-2021 03:17 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:58 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:10 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Miami has made the NCAA's 17 times a fact that would surprise a lot of people.

The story is that in the MAC's early days there wasn't as many members (WMU, Toledo, BG, Miami, Kent, Ohio) and both Miami and Ohio to a lessor extent were in front athletically as older schools with more tradition.

Kent State when they were first added to the MAC was a project athletic school like Buffalo was when added and for many decades struggled in men's basketball.

Over time the other schools in the MAC caught up to Miami on coaching and facilities. Miami having a high percentage of out-of-state students and less alums to send to the tournament in Cleveland is also factor, especially compared to Kent/Akron who are right next door.

Miami sucking the past decade or so has less to do with facilities and more that our AD basically diverted all attention from basketball to hockey stating the early 2000s. Sending fans to Cleveland has even less to do with it.

I'm talking about comparing where Miami was in the 1960's in relative terms to the MAC when it was a dominate force.

Most of which is attributable to MAC having more teams and time for other schools to build up facilities and tradition.

Miami made the tourney "only" twice in the 60s when we were still playing in what was basically a high school gymnasium. We made the tourney four times yet by that time Millett Hall was a clear drag on the program. Facilities aren't the reason we suck, the MAC and JAR for Akron and Kent aren't gems yet they've managed to stay competitive with decent support over the years.

Thinking more all sports here. Miami was like the BYU of the MAC for the first few decades. Ohio had big performances too but they were older more established schools which helped.

Ohio gets it done against Virginia! That was a heavy load taking out the ACC top seed.

I didn't think we'd win and even in the second half I was thinking it wasn't Ohio's night. The consolation prize was Boals would be more likely to stay if he hadn't won the game.

Now I'm starting to get worried especially playing an easier team in the 2nd round in Creighton with a much higher chance of defeating. UVA was #12 in the NET and Creighton is #26. Ohio almost as said in this thread knocked off #3 Illinois earlier in the season so Creighton feels beatable.

I hope we have a "Brinks Truck" big enough to keep him for next season. Originally on a 5 year contract and he's done 2. Extension and raise to the top of the MAC has got to be automatic at this point but it might not be enough.

Whether it is or not, get that extension and raise signed right away so that the new contract sets the buyout terms.

(03-21-2021 02:40 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Whether it is or not, get that extension and raise signed right away so that the new contract sets the buyout terms.

Hate to burst your bubble but I'm pretty sure Jeff Boals' price tag just went up after Ohio beat Virginia. If I'm Indiana and once they realize they're not going to pry a major conference coach away my first choice would be Loyola's Porter Moser. Boals would be my second choice. If Indiana gets Moser, there's still Marquette, DePaul, and Minnesota along with Utah although that's pretty far away if Boals is a Midwestern guy (and I wouldn't take DePaul's job).

(03-21-2021 06:16 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-21-2021 02:40 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Whether it is or not, get that extension and raise signed right away so that the new contract sets the buyout terms.

Hate to burst your bubble but I'm pretty sure Jeff Boals' price tag just went up after Ohio beat Virginia. ...

I never said his price tag HADN'T gone up, hence "that extension and raise".

Disappointing performance v. Creighton. I'd say Boals is now a known commodity but not necessarily a hot commodity.