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(04-21-2021 05:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Boy...I see the talking points traveled fast to the right wing. Wow...record time!

I think it is great that there was no "celebratory rioting". Goody for the masses.

Unfortunately because of people like Watters not keeping her mouth shut, there is a real chance that this is far from over. At this point, Chauvin should just go away quietly as collateral damage to this whole mess - and ultimately he probably will, but but before that happens there will be a lot more drama to unfold.

The question to ask now however it what will come of this? Will people be more embolden to defy authority? Thus creating more events like this? If you hamstring police from enforcing the law, then you might as well repeal "the law". Is that your goal here ComTom? Will Authority be less hands on (more passive) to enforce the laws they were hired to enforce?

Regardless of the verdict, there is a sea-change in socially acceptable behaviors for good and bad people alike. This is going to get ugly. By and large there are A LOT more "law abiding citizens" than there are "not law abiding citizens". People will start fighting back at some point when they feel like police are helpless and that is when the blood will truly spill.

I hope it never gets to that point, but it will likely take an act of god now to stop it.

Think what you want Tom, but Trump did not create this mess.... the roots of this started long before Trump .... loooong before Trump.

1. Waters is a clown...never said otherwise...and she needed to shut her mouth during the trial...she can bleat all she wants now however.
2. I have no "goal" here.
3. I didn't say one word about trump as this has nothing at all to do with him.

IMO, the problem with the police is the police themselves. Their training seems to suck ass.

Training in dealing with those that resist arrest seems to be the biggest problem. Almost every incident surrounds a person that is intent on not being arrested and then the situation turns ugly. Methods of better dealing with this needs addressing or the same stuff will continue to happen.

Im still waiting on these rich athletes and hollywoods race pimps to have one word to say about "not resisting arrest"...which triggers most of the problems. Why don't they put their money where their mouths are and start a legal defense fund for those that fear they don't get a fair shake in court and try to run instead.


EXACTLY - for now this is a blame and finger pointing exercise. The fact that POC represent a fraction of the population of our country, but contribute to 50% of a specific crime. That is conveniently deflected and blamed on decades of white suppression tactics - LB is not taking accountability, he is only assigning blame.

Until the assignments stop - these problems will never be solved (or even start to be addressed properly)
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Quote:Activists in the George Floyd 'autonomous zone' in Minneapolis announced on Wednesday that they are not leaving the area even after the verdict in the Derek Chauvin case.



The autonomous zone was established after the death of George Floyd in May. Gates and jury-rigged barriers set up by activists, enclose 'George Floyd Square,' a four block area from 37th to 39th Streets South and Columbus and Elliott Avenues East, that serves as a memorial in the neighborhood where Floyd died. Concrete barricades were set up by the city of Minneapolis last year to protect activists and serve as barriers for the zone. In September 2020, Minneapolis Police Chief john Elder denied the zone existed to Fox News.



Activists do not allow police inside the zone and have even banned white people from time to time. Neighbors told the Washington Times that they have tried working with protesters, and asked that traffic not be disrupted. Activists allegedly responded with threats. They added that safety concerns have caused people to move out of the neighborhood and pointed to multiple for-sale signs and empty houses nearby.
The Twitter account which claims to post on behalf of the zone posted on Wednesday, "We don’t need the mayor’s permission to make decisions about our city. 38th & Chicago will be held until our demands are met."



Neighbors told the Times, that they tried working with protesters, and asked that traffic not be disrupted. Activists allegedly responded with threats. Residents blame gang violence, BLM activists and protests as the primary cause of the unrest and crime.

They added that safety concerns have caused people to move out of the neighborhood and pointed to multiple for-sale signs and empty houses nearby. Social justice-themed yard signs are common in the area with residents struggling to reconcile their beliefs with the rise in violence and decline in quality of life. Businesses have also left the area.

Police are banned from the zone and reporters have been threatened for filming to close to the barricades. The area has been the site of increasing violence and multiple shootings.

Residents blame gang violence, BLM activists and protests as the primary cause of the unrest and crime in the area. According to News Nation, "Violent crime at the intersection and the blocks immediately surrounding it rose dramatically in 2020, though crime also increased citywide. There were 19 nonfatal and fatal shootings in the area in 2020, including 14 shootings from May 1 through Aug. 31. That’s compared with three shootings in all of 2019 and none during the summer months."

Earlier this month, the city of Minneapolis passed a $1 million bailout plan for businesses suffering from inside of the autonomous zone.



According to Fox News, a sign at the entrance of the zone "includes a special set of instructions for white people." white people are asked to "contribute to the energy of the space, rather than drain it." Any "processing" must be brought to "other white folks" so that "BIPOC" community members are not harmed. white visitors who see other white folks doing "problematic things" are told to "speak up with compassion to take the burden (off of) Black folks and our siblings or color whenever appropriate," and "engage rather than escalate, so that it can be a learning moment rather than a disruption."

According to Fox News reporter Matt Finn, there are multiple signs like it throughout the zone.

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(04-22-2021 07:08 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 05:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 06:09 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 05:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Boy...I see the talking points traveled fast to the right wing. Wow...record time!

I think it is great that there was no "celebratory rioting". Goody for the masses.

Unfortunately because of people like Watters not keeping her mouth shut, there is a real chance that this is far from over. At this point, Chauvin should just go away quietly as collateral damage to this whole mess - and ultimately he probably will, but but before that happens there will be a lot more drama to unfold.

The question to ask now however it what will come of this? Will people be more embolden to defy authority? Thus creating more events like this? If you hamstring police from enforcing the law, then you might as well repeal "the law". Is that your goal here ComTom? Will Authority be less hands on (more passive) to enforce the laws they were hired to enforce?

Regardless of the verdict, there is a sea-change in socially acceptable behaviors for good and bad people alike. This is going to get ugly. By and large there are A LOT more "law abiding citizens" than there are "not law abiding citizens". People will start fighting back at some point when they feel like police are helpless and that is when the blood will truly spill.

I hope it never gets to that point, but it will likely take an act of god now to stop it.

Think what you want Tom, but Trump did not create this mess.... the roots of this started long before Trump .... loooong before Trump.

1. Waters is a clown...never said otherwise...and she needed to shut her mouth during the trial...she can bleat all she wants now however.
2. I have no "goal" here.
3. I didn't say one word about trump as this has nothing at all to do with him.

IMO, the problem with the police is the police themselves. Their training seems to suck ass.

Training in dealing with those that resist arrest seems to be the biggest problem. Almost every incident surrounds a person that is intent on not being arrested and then the situation turns ugly. Methods of better dealing with this needs addressing or the same stuff will continue to happen.

Im still waiting on these rich athletes and hollywoods race pimps to have one word to say about "not resisting arrest"...which triggers most of the problems. Why don't they put their money where their mouths are and start a legal defense fund for those that fear they don't get a fair shake in court and try to run instead.


EXACTLY - for now this is a blame and finger pointing exercise. The fact that POC represent a fraction of the population of our country, but contribute to 50% of a specific crime. That is conveniently deflected and blamed on decades of white suppression tactics - LB is not taking accountability, he is only assigning blame.

Until the assignments stop - these problems will never be solved (or even start to be addressed properly)

Be interesting to know what those percentages were in 1960 before all the welfare programs and the subsequent collapse of the Black families.
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I do enjoy some Officer Tatum.
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I do enjoy some Officer Tatum.

I just recently discovered Officer Tatum. He is one of my must-follows on Youtube.
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That was really good. Is he on anything besides YouTube? I refuse to go to YouTube.
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Majority of Black Americans Say Politics at Least ‘Somewhat’ Influenced Derek Chauvin Verdict

Quote:A majority of Americans, including a majority of black Americans, believe politics at least “somewhat” influenced the outcome of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin’s trial, although a majority also agree with the verdict, a Rasmussen Reports survey released this week revealed.

The survey, taken April 21-22 among 1,000 American adults, asked respondents to gauge how much politics influenced the outcome of Chauvin’s trial.

Fifty-eight percent said politics influenced the outcome either “a lot” (38 percent) or “somewhat” (20 percent), compared to 19 percent who said “not much” and 15 percent who said “not at all.” Fifty-three percent of Republicans said politics influenced the outcome “a lot,” compared to 24 percent of Democrats who said the same. Notably, 57 percent of black Americans said politics influenced the decision to some degree, 36 percent saying “a lot” and 21 percent saying “somewhat.”

Nevertheless, a majority either “strongly” (46 percent) or “somewhat” (24 percent) agree with Chauvin’s verdict. He was found guilty on all three charges: second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter.

A majority of Republicans, Democrats, and independents at least “somewhat” agree with the guilty verdict, as do a majority of black, white, and other non-white voters, the survey found.

Ultimately, 38 percent believe the verdict will not have much overall impact on race relations in the U.S., but 31 percent believe it will make it “worse,” and 21 percent believe it will make it “better.”

The survey’s margin of error is +/- 3 percent.

Brooklyn Center resident Lisa Christensen, who served as an alternate juror in Chauvin’s trial, said she initially had “mixed feelings” about the possibility of being a juror, telling KARE 11’s Lou Raguse she was “concerned about people coming to [her] house if they were not happy with the verdict.” However, she said she would have ultimately voted guilty “on some level.”
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(04-24-2021 07:52 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  That was really good. Is he on anything besides YouTube? I refuse to go to YouTube.

He's on rumble: https://rumble.com/c/TheOfficerTatum

But doesn't post everything there.
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(04-22-2021 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 07:08 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 05:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 06:09 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I think it is great that there was no "celebratory rioting". Goody for the masses.

Unfortunately because of people like Watters not keeping her mouth shut, there is a real chance that this is far from over. At this point, Chauvin should just go away quietly as collateral damage to this whole mess - and ultimately he probably will, but but before that happens there will be a lot more drama to unfold.

The question to ask now however it what will come of this? Will people be more embolden to defy authority? Thus creating more events like this? If you hamstring police from enforcing the law, then you might as well repeal "the law". Is that your goal here ComTom? Will Authority be less hands on (more passive) to enforce the laws they were hired to enforce?

Regardless of the verdict, there is a sea-change in socially acceptable behaviors for good and bad people alike. This is going to get ugly. By and large there are A LOT more "law abiding citizens" than there are "not law abiding citizens". People will start fighting back at some point when they feel like police are helpless and that is when the blood will truly spill.

I hope it never gets to that point, but it will likely take an act of god now to stop it.

Think what you want Tom, but Trump did not create this mess.... the roots of this started long before Trump .... loooong before Trump.

1. Waters is a clown...never said otherwise...and she needed to shut her mouth during the trial...she can bleat all she wants now however.
2. I have no "goal" here.
3. I didn't say one word about trump as this has nothing at all to do with him.

IMO, the problem with the police is the police themselves. Their training seems to suck ass.

Training in dealing with those that resist arrest seems to be the biggest problem. Almost every incident surrounds a person that is intent on not being arrested and then the situation turns ugly. Methods of better dealing with this needs addressing or the same stuff will continue to happen.

Im still waiting on these rich athletes and hollywoods race pimps to have one word to say about "not resisting arrest"...which triggers most of the problems. Why don't they put their money where their mouths are and start a legal defense fund for those that fear they don't get a fair shake in court and try to run instead.


EXACTLY - for now this is a blame and finger pointing exercise. The fact that POC represent a fraction of the population of our country, but contribute to 50% of a specific crime. That is conveniently deflected and blamed on decades of white suppression tactics - LB is not taking accountability, he is only assigning blame.

Until the assignments stop - these problems will never be solved (or even start to be addressed properly)

Be interesting to know what those percentages were in 1960 before all the welfare programs and the subsequent collapse of the Black families.

Agreed. Trying to research, but Internet being slow
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Quote:Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison (D) acknowledged during an interview with CBS' "60 Minutes" Sunday that there is no evidence race was a motivating factor in the killing of George Floyd.

The progressive attorney general made the stunning admission when fielding a question from interviewer Scott Pelley on why the prosecution didn't pursue a hate crime charge against former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, who knelt on Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes during an arrest last May.

"I wouldn't call it that because hate crimes are crimes where there's an explicit motive and of bias," Ellison said. "We don't have any evidence that Derek Chauvin factored in George Floyd's race as he did what he did."

"You could've charged him with a hate crime under Minnesota law, and you chose not to," Pelley reiterated.

"Could have," Ellison responded. "But we only charge those crimes that we had evidence that we could put in front of a jury to prove. If we'd had a witness that told us that Derek Chauvin made a racial reference, we might have charged him with a hate crime. But I would have needed a witness to say that on the stand. We didn't have it. So we didn't do it."

Last week, Chauvin was pronounced guilty by a 12-person jury of murder and manslaughter for his role in Floyd's death. Video of the incident spread like wildfire on social media and quickly became a flashpoint in a national conversation about racial injustice and police brutality. It ignited months of violent protests and riots across the country and around the world.

To anyone following the case and its subsequent coverage in the media, Floyd's killing seemed always to be primarily about racial bias, which is what makes Ellison's admission so shocking.

"The whole world sees this as a white officer killing a black man because he is black, and you're telling me that there's no evidence to support that?" Pelley asked with palpable astonishment.

In response, Ellison argued that while there was no specific evidence of racial bias in this particular case, systemic racism was obviously at work.

"In our society, there is a social norm that killing certain kinds of people is more tolerable than other kinds of people," he said.

"In order for us to stop and pay serious attention to this case and be outraged by it, it's not necessary that Derek Chauvin had a specific racial intent to harm George Floyd," he continued. "The fact is we know that, through housing patterns, through employment, through wealth, through a whole range of other things — so often, people of color, black people, end up with harsh treatment from law enforcement. And other folks doing the exact same thing just don't."

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Quote:Katy Faust interviewed an African-American police officer about the recent murder conviction of former Minnesota police officer Derek Chauvin in the death of George Floyd. The officer asked to go unnamed in this article to avoid retaliation for his views. The Federalist obtained documentation of his employment as a police officer.

Did you watch the Derek Chauvin trial coverage?

Not really, just bits and pieces. I already had a pretty clear idea of what took place. And much of the new coverage was biased—they were just showing the parts that pushed a narrative. The news elevated my stress level and with all that’s already going on, I don’t need that.

Do you think Chauvin got a fair trial?

No.

Why wasn’t it fair?

It seemed everybody made up their mind about his guilt before the trial. In addition, the jury wasn’t sequestered and so they saw the biased coverage and were likely influenced by that coverage or seeing riots and threats of riots around the country. That’s going to put a lot of pressure on the jury to come to a certain decision.

A jury is supposed to make its determination based on the subject matter and expert witnesses, not go home and watch the news and form their opinions that way. So no, it wasn’t fair.

How would you characterize public opinion towards police today?

I’ve been doing this for 15 years. I’m middle of the road—not an old timer, but not brand new. But even in 15 years, things have changed. There is a general narrative that demonizes law enforcement.

In my opinion, the anti-cop narrative began with the Obama administration. He made negative law enforcement comments, and in controversial cases would show up to the deceased’s funerals (which were later justified as lawful shootings). The Dallas five were killed under Obama and he didn’t show any respect toward them.

Trevor Noah recently said of Derek Chauvin, “We’re not dealing with bad apples, we’re dealing with a rotten tree.” What do you say to that?

It’s funny when the media wants to talk about a rotten tree. The irony there is amazing. Big media talking about a tree being corrupt? Give me a break.

Do you think that policing in America is systemically racist?

Ha. Absolutely not. No.

In your experience has policing become more difficult since George Floyd’s death?

Yes, but we’ve been on this slippery slope since the start of the BLM [Black Lives Matter] movement. That’s where things really started to take a serious turn. We were already nose diving, and Floyd’s death is just more fuel to the fire.

All these cases involve a false narrative of police racism, from Trayvon Martin to Rayshard Brooks to George Floyd, causing tension and a divide between law-enforcement and the community. People want us to solve their problems, but they don’t want us to defend ourselves or the community while doing it.

They want us to be able to talk it out with everybody, but the reality is we can’t always do that. If people shoot us, we’re going to shoot back. That’s what happened with the Breonna Taylor case. Somehow people are upset about that.

And facts don’t matter. Even though the false Michael Brown “hands up don’t shoot” narrative was proven false, I still can’t drive around the city without someone eyeballing me and putting their hands up and saying “don’t shoot” while I drive past.

How has this false narrative about police changed your job? Do your fellow officers worry that as a result they wouldn’t get a fair trial if they’re in a situation that escalates?

Some things have not changed. People have never wanted to be arrested. They didn’t before and they don’t now. So that’s no different.

But what used to concern us was bringing in the suspect safely and prioritizing how we’re going to defend ourselves if need be, and get home to our family. But now it’s, “I don’t wanna go to jail. And if this dude has an underlying medical condition I don’t know about and he decides to fight or he is on drugs or he strokes out on me, a jury might send me to jail for this.” It changes the kinds of calls we respond to.

So we are now at a point where we have to focus only on responding to emergencies. Because most of the things people call us for are not emergencies, they are inconveniences. We used to be more than happy to respond, but the problem is a lot of times, it’s criminals who are causing the inconvenience.

So if, for example, we get a complaint about people speeding down someone’s street, we used to gladly go. But when we do a traffic stop, we don’t know who we are pulling over; they might have a warrant, they might have committed a crime, they might not have a license, it could be a DUI. Now if he decides to escalate because he doesn’t want to go to jail, our badge could be on the line just for a speeding call.

Or we get calls from businesses where a guy has been passed out in their bathroom for three hours after shooting heroin. It’s bad for business so they call us and say, “Hey, we don’t want to confront this guy, can you come do it for us?”

We used to gladly take those calls, but often the addict has warrants and they don’t want to go to jail. If it escalates, sometimes the business turns around and backstabs us. So now we respond if your safety is in question but otherwise, unfortunately, we can’t risk our lives or our careers or jail time over someone’s inconvenience.

How’s morale?

Each agency has its own subculture, but this region’s morale is generally crappy. A lot of officers are leaving. We don’t have anybody, anybody applying to be officers here, so we are lowering standards to get numbers up.

The academy has lowered their physical fitness standards and we have dropped ours completely. Now if you’ve got a pulse and some experience? We will take you. Because that’s how bad we are hurting for bodies. Of course, the lowering of standards does not increase the odds that things are going to be done right. So it will perpetuate the problems.

But even before we had to lower standards, we were still struggling. The public thinks that we are ninjas, that we are all MMA fighters. For a while that belief was helpful because it instilled a bit of healthy fear, of not wanting to mess with us.

But the reality is that most police officers have a YMCA degree (not to knock on the YMCA) but it’s like they went to one little seminar on self-defense and that’s kind of it. The level of training we get is so subpar compared to the demands.

Not only that, but there are important and serious limitations on our interactions with suspects. As an officer, I have a responsibility, we as a police force have a responsibility, to limit the amount of force to get someone into custody. But if they are overcoming my efforts, I can escalate my use of force, within reason, to effectuate that arrest.

The Chauvin case is, in my opinion, simply that: a typical officer struggling to control a large, uncooperative human. His death sucks, it sucks. I wish we were better trained. I wish Chauvin was better trained. Could his death have been avoided? Yeah, I think so.

In our precinct, we pitch and brainstorm ways that we can get better training. Unfortunately, “defund the police” is a movement, so our funding has already been slashed. There’s no money for classes or overtime for us to go.

So they’re basically saying, “We wish you guys were ninjas,” and we’re saying “OK, send us to ninja school.” And they’re like, “No we’re not going to pay for that. We’re just gonna put you in jail when you don’t meet our expectations even though we won’t give you the training you need.”

What would you tell America about this moment in time and your job?

I think that it’s important for people to know that we still have a heart to have people’s backs. There isn’t a cop I know who isn’t willing to lay their life on their line for someone else in a life-or-death situation. But what we’re not willing to do is put ourselves or our careers or our families on the line for people’s inconveniences.

I’m happy to do that as a luxury as long as we have community support. But if we don’t have your support, and you call us about your neighbor’s loud music? No. Go talk to the neighbor yourself. Or buy some ear plugs.

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Quote:Sentencing for former Minneapolis police Officer Derek Chauvin in George Floyd's death has been pushed back to June 25, according to online court records.

Chauvin's June 16 hearing was reset by Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill. A brief entry Tuesday in the online court docket gave no reason, but court spokesman Spenser Bickett said it was moved due to a scheduling conflict.

The hearing time remains 1:30 p.m. CDT.

Chauvin, 45, was convicted April 20 of all three counts against him: second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. Under Minnesota statutes he’ll only be sentenced on the most serious one — second-degree murder.

While that count carries a maximum sentence of 40 years, experts say he won’t get that much. They say that for all practical purposes, the maximum he would face is 30 years, and he could get less.

The convictions came after a jury deliberated for parts of two days following three weeks of testimony from bystanders, medical experts and police use-of-force trainers.

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Quote: Fifty-three percent of Republicans said politics influenced the outcome “a lot,” compared to 24 percent of Democrats who said the same.

This isn't the problem. The problem is that I suspect most of that 53% see this as a problem, while most of the 24% see it as a benefit.


In the 1960's, segregation was illegal. Separate was inherently unequal... and racist democrats fought integration. SInce perhaps the 1980s but absolutely more recently, the same party has simply packaged 'segregation' as a benefit creating political power that those politicians then exploit.

My suggestion is for cities to 'sell' section 8 projects to developers and to give those funds to the occupants. They can still give them stipends, but mostly they will stop denying them access to 'The American Dream' which has for decades almost exclusively been funded through home ownership/home price appreciation.... with the single proviso that a significant portion of the money must be invested in a new home, wherever they choose to live. See the BLM founder, who will CHOOSE to live in a better neighborhood if given the option.... away from criminals... closer to better schools and jobs and opportunities. And let developers 'rebuild' the projects into real neighborhoods.... allow gentrification.

The reason such an obvious solution won't work is that democratic politicians would lose power... and they won't allow that to happen... but since most of these places are inner-city, population dense, you can solve that with some variant of proportional representation... where a candidate can run on a 'pro-black platform' and get that vote, without having it be tied to living in a 'poor' district.

Do it in clearly left leaning districts like San Fran/Oakland or NYC etc... where the influence of 'Republicans' would be severely limited... and WATCH the crime rates and the incidence of cops being overly aggressive decline
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(04-27-2021 04:29 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
Quote: Fifty-three percent of Republicans said politics influenced the outcome “a lot,” compared to 24 percent of Democrats who said the same.

This isn't the problem. The problem is that I suspect most of that 53% see this as a problem, while most of the 24% see it as a benefit.

That's a bullseye. +3 rep points.
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