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No NC school in ACC top 3 for the first time since 1932
There has never been a year when the ACC did not have one of the NC school in the top 3 in the standings at the end of the regular season.

Even during the post SEC Southern Conference years of 1933-1953 there was never a year when one of the NC Schools failed to make the top 3.

You have to go back to the 1932 in the 23 school Southern Conference to find a time when Duke, NC State, UNC, nor Wake finished the regular season in the top 3.

It had happened in 1927 and first in 1922.

So it has been 89 years since this last happened.
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This also appears to be the first time 40 years that a K-coached Duke team has quit (not that they really ever started).
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(03-06-2021 07:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  This also appears to be the first time 40 years that a K-coached Duke team has quit (not that they really ever started).

They didn’t quit last night, they got mad and began hacking Carolina players at the end. Typical brats.
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(03-06-2021 07:32 PM)Statefan Wrote:  There has never been a year when the ACC did not have one of the NC school in the top 3 in the standings at the end of the regular season.

Even during the post SEC Southern Conference years of 1933-1953 there was never a year when one of the NC Schools failed to make the top 3.

You have to go back to the 1932 in the 23 school Southern Conference to find a time when Duke, NC State, UNC, nor Wake finished the regular season in the top 3.

It had happened in 1927 and first in 1922.

So it has been 89 years since this last happened.

Not only that, but there are no founding members in the top 4 this year - something else which has NEVER happened. (Keep in mind, UVA is the first expansion team - NOT a founding member).
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RE: No NC school in ACC top 3 for the first time since 1932
(03-08-2021 10:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-06-2021 07:32 PM)Statefan Wrote:  There has never been a year when the ACC did not have one of the NC school in the top 3 in the standings at the end of the regular season.

Even during the post SEC Southern Conference years of 1933-1953 there was never a year when one of the NC Schools failed to make the top 3.

You have to go back to the 1932 in the 23 school Southern Conference to find a time when Duke, NC State, UNC, nor Wake finished the regular season in the top 3.

It had happened in 1927 and first in 1922.

So it has been 89 years since this last happened.

Not only that, but there are no founding members in the top 4 this year - something else which has NEVER happened. (Keep in mind, UVA is the first expansion team - NOT a founding member).

I wonder if it is the first time that 3 of the top 4 were football first schools?
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Hey, Florida State won the ACC in men's basketball last year (officially they are the champs because there was no tournament:) They also won the tournament in 2012 and made the Elite 8 in 2018. How dare you call Florida State a football first school!
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(03-08-2021 02:07 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Hey, Florida State won the ACC in men's basketball last year (officially they are the champs because there was no tournament:) They also won the tournament in 2012 and made the Elite 8 in 2018. How dare you call Florida State a football first school!

Uh, because it is! Auburn was in the last final four. It is a football first school. Basketball is 20% of the revenue pie. Most schools are football first regardless of how well or how poorly the football team does. Of course there are exceptions, Duke, North Carolina, and Kansas being 3 of them. It's hard to know what to say about Virginia as I think their division of priority is pretty even.
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(03-08-2021 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 02:07 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Hey, Florida State won the ACC in men's basketball last year (officially they are the champs because there was no tournament:) They also won the tournament in 2012 and made the Elite 8 in 2018. How dare you call Florida State a football first school!

Uh, because it is! Auburn was in the last final four. It is a football first school. Basketball is 20% of the revenue pie. Most schools are football first regardless of how well or how poorly the football team does. Of course there are exceptions, Duke, North Carolina, and Kansas being 3 of them. It's hard to know what to say about Virginia as I think their division of priority is pretty even.

Once again, this board needs a sarcasm font.
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(03-08-2021 02:30 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 02:07 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Hey, Florida State won the ACC in men's basketball last year (officially they are the champs because there was no tournament:) They also won the tournament in 2012 and made the Elite 8 in 2018. How dare you call Florida State a football first school!

Uh, because it is! Auburn was in the last final four. It is a football first school. Basketball is 20% of the revenue pie. Most schools are football first regardless of how well or how poorly the football team does. Of course there are exceptions, Duke, North Carolina, and Kansas being 3 of them. It's hard to know what to say about Virginia as I think their division of priority is pretty even.

Once again, this board needs a sarcasm font.

03-troll We have one. This is it. So either you must have the artistry to make sarcasm somewhat obvious, or use the troll emoji. 05-stirthepot This one while not as precise accomplishes the same thing. I would prefer a smiley face yanking another smiley face's chain, but alas we don't have that one.
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(03-08-2021 02:30 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 02:07 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Hey, Florida State won the ACC in men's basketball last year (officially they are the champs because there was no tournament:) They also won the tournament in 2012 and made the Elite 8 in 2018. How dare you call Florida State a football first school!

Uh, because it is! Auburn was in the last final four. It is a football first school. Basketball is 20% of the revenue pie. Most schools are football first regardless of how well or how poorly the football team does. Of course there are exceptions, Duke, North Carolina, and Kansas being 3 of them. It's hard to know what to say about Virginia as I think their division of priority is pretty even.

Once again, this board needs a sarcasm font.

or better posters
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RE: No NC school in ACC top 3 for the first time since 1932
(03-08-2021 12:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 10:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-06-2021 07:32 PM)Statefan Wrote:  There has never been a year when the ACC did not have one of the NC school in the top 3 in the standings at the end of the regular season.

Even during the post SEC Southern Conference years of 1933-1953 there was never a year when one of the NC Schools failed to make the top 3.

You have to go back to the 1932 in the 23 school Southern Conference to find a time when Duke, NC State, UNC, nor Wake finished the regular season in the top 3.

It had happened in 1927 and first in 1922.

So it has been 89 years since this last happened.

Not only that, but there are no founding members in the top 4 this year - something else which has NEVER happened. (Keep in mind, UVA is the first expansion team - NOT a founding member).

I wonder if it is the first time that 3 of the top 4 were football first schools?

It's a difficult question to answer. Duke, formerly Trinity was a football school until 1963. Prior to the Southern Conference, UNC, UVa, NCA&M (NC State), Maryland A&M (UM), VPI (VT), W&L, Georgetown and others were all in the SAIAA. Virginia had the best basketball program in the teens, but a tournament was not played. Carolina would not have considered itself a basketball school until the mid 60's.

The ACC should have done what the Pac did and and go back and take the records that were relevant to the history of the league. People forget they totally collapsed in the late 1950's and were not put back together until the mid/late 60's.

The grandfather conference is the SAIAA and in 1907, UNC, NC A&M, MD A&M, Clemson, VPI, UVa, W&L, Richmond, and Georgetown are members. Clemson left in 1910, and a few other like Johns Hopkins and W&M were added.

The SoCon, created by the merger with SAII schools brought Clemson back with South Carolina, VMI, and the SEC schools. Trinity (Duke) joined in 1927.

The SEC 13 left in 1933.

UVa went independent in 1936. Which triggered, W&L, William and Mary, Richmond, WF, and several others being invited.

That's part of what makes ACC records so artificial. The core of the conference has existed since 1907. 45 years worth of records are essentially pissed away. And those records show Duke's football and basketball dominance through the four decades. That's despite MD's national championship quality years in 50-53 in football, NC State's dominance in basketball from 1947-1956, and Carolina's NCAA title in basketball in 57. VT also had good football teams in the aughts and teens and that is lost. Clemson on the other hand was essentially alone in the SIAA covering up the success of the tigers in the first two decades of the 20th Century.

Its the same when the media acts like pro football began in 1967 with the Super Bowl, doing a great disservice to the prior 40 years.
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I really had to do some digging, but I discovered Centre College (KY) and Presbyterian College (SC) applied in 1936 as well. Obviously, they were denied membership.

W&L was a member prior to ‘36. UR, W&M, WF, Davidson, Furman, and the Citadel came aboard in ‘36, with the aforementioned two being rejected.
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