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RE: Misplaced Teams
(03-05-2021 05:56 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 08:06 PM)goofus Wrote:  I propose a 4-way trade

WV --> ACC
Lou --> SEC
Mizzou --> Big Ten
Neb --> Big 12

Your trades are good, kinda!
Yes Missouri needs to be in the B1G and Nebraska needs to return to the Big 12.

Instead of trying to shoehorn West Virginia (where they don't fit culturally or geographically) into the ACC for Louisville, the better trade would be:
Louisville--> SEC
South Carolina--> ACC


and while we are talking ACC trades, this is the first one that should come to mind:
Pitt--> B1G
Maryland--> ACC

and to compensate the SEC for the loss of Missouri: West Virginia--> SEC.

This, BTW leaves the ACC with the additions originally proposed by ESPN to upgrade the ACC from 9 to 12 (Boston College, Syracuse and Miami) plus adding back original members Maryland and South Carolina in exchange for teams that are out of the ACC's footprint (Pittsburgh and Louisville) to remain at 14.

How is Pitt out of the ACC's footprint if that footprint includes BC and Syracuse (and UMD here)? And given that said footprint extends from Boston to Miami, Louisville isn't really all that far outside it.
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RE: Misplaced Teams
(03-05-2021 05:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 05:56 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 08:06 PM)goofus Wrote:  I propose a 4-way trade

WV --> ACC
Lou --> SEC
Mizzou --> Big Ten
Neb --> Big 12

Your trades are good, kinda!
Yes Missouri needs to be in the B1G and Nebraska needs to return to the Big 12.

Instead of trying to shoehorn West Virginia (where they don't fit culturally or geographically) into the ACC for Louisville, the better trade would be:
Louisville--> SEC
South Carolina--> ACC


and while we are talking ACC trades, this is the first one that should come to mind:
Pitt--> B1G
Maryland--> ACC

and to compensate the SEC for the loss of Missouri: West Virginia--> SEC.

This, BTW leaves the ACC with the additions originally proposed by ESPN to upgrade the ACC from 9 to 12 (Boston College, Syracuse and Miami) plus adding back original members Maryland and South Carolina in exchange for teams that are out of the ACC's footprint (Pittsburgh and Louisville) to remain at 14.

How is Pitt out of the ACC's footprint if that footprint includes BC and Syracuse (and UMD here)? And given that said footprint extends from Boston to Miami, Louisville isn't really all that far outside it.

Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the mountains.
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RE: Misplaced Teams
(03-05-2021 07:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 05:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 05:56 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 08:06 PM)goofus Wrote:  I propose a 4-way trade

WV --> ACC
Lou --> SEC
Mizzou --> Big Ten
Neb --> Big 12

Your trades are good, kinda!
Yes Missouri needs to be in the B1G and Nebraska needs to return to the Big 12.

Instead of trying to shoehorn West Virginia (where they don't fit culturally or geographically) into the ACC for Louisville, the better trade would be:
Louisville--> SEC
South Carolina--> ACC


and while we are talking ACC trades, this is the first one that should come to mind:
Pitt--> B1G
Maryland--> ACC

and to compensate the SEC for the loss of Missouri: West Virginia--> SEC.

This, BTW leaves the ACC with the additions originally proposed by ESPN to upgrade the ACC from 9 to 12 (Boston College, Syracuse and Miami) plus adding back original members Maryland and South Carolina in exchange for teams that are out of the ACC's footprint (Pittsburgh and Louisville) to remain at 14.

How is Pitt out of the ACC's footprint if that footprint includes BC and Syracuse (and UMD here)? And given that said footprint extends from Boston to Miami, Louisville isn't really all that far outside it.

Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the mountains.

So is Syracuse.

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RE: Misplaced Teams
(03-05-2021 10:52 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 07:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 05:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 05:56 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 08:06 PM)goofus Wrote:  I propose a 4-way trade

WV --> ACC
Lou --> SEC
Mizzou --> Big Ten
Neb --> Big 12

Your trades are good, kinda!
Yes Missouri needs to be in the B1G and Nebraska needs to return to the Big 12.

Instead of trying to shoehorn West Virginia (where they don't fit culturally or geographically) into the ACC for Louisville, the better trade would be:
Louisville--> SEC
South Carolina--> ACC


and while we are talking ACC trades, this is the first one that should come to mind:
Pitt--> B1G
Maryland--> ACC

and to compensate the SEC for the loss of Missouri: West Virginia--> SEC.

This, BTW leaves the ACC with the additions originally proposed by ESPN to upgrade the ACC from 9 to 12 (Boston College, Syracuse and Miami) plus adding back original members Maryland and South Carolina in exchange for teams that are out of the ACC's footprint (Pittsburgh and Louisville) to remain at 14.

How is Pitt out of the ACC's footprint if that footprint includes BC and Syracuse (and UMD here)? And given that said footprint extends from Boston to Miami, Louisville isn't really all that far outside it.

Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the mountains.

So is Syracuse.

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Excuse me for not being more specific. Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the Blue Ridge Mountains.
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No way the ACC takes WVU in ANY scenario
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RE: Misplaced Teams
(03-06-2021 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  [Image: appalachians.jpg]

Excuse me for not being more specific. Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Has anyone ever told you that you're a sterling example of Poe's Law?
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RE: Misplaced Teams
(03-06-2021 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 10:52 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 07:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 05:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 05:56 AM)XLance Wrote:  Your trades are good, kinda!
Yes Missouri needs to be in the B1G and Nebraska needs to return to the Big 12.

Instead of trying to shoehorn West Virginia (where they don't fit culturally or geographically) into the ACC for Louisville, the better trade would be:
Louisville--> SEC
South Carolina--> ACC


and while we are talking ACC trades, this is the first one that should come to mind:
Pitt--> B1G
Maryland--> ACC

and to compensate the SEC for the loss of Missouri: West Virginia--> SEC.

This, BTW leaves the ACC with the additions originally proposed by ESPN to upgrade the ACC from 9 to 12 (Boston College, Syracuse and Miami) plus adding back original members Maryland and South Carolina in exchange for teams that are out of the ACC's footprint (Pittsburgh and Louisville) to remain at 14.

How is Pitt out of the ACC's footprint if that footprint includes BC and Syracuse (and UMD here)? And given that said footprint extends from Boston to Miami, Louisville isn't really all that far outside it.

Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the mountains.

So is Syracuse.

[Image: Greatvalley-map.png]

[Image: appalachians.jpg]

Excuse me for not being more specific. Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

If you think of Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and Notre Dame as the ACC's Great Lakes/Rust Belt division they're not that out of place.
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I guess I don’t like change. To me those are all Big East teams as well as West Virginia. Notre Dame of course is Independent. Heck, I still like the SWC including Arkansas. And the Big 8 including Nebraska, Missouri, and Colorado. Before TV came in and ruined everything.
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RE: Misplaced Teams
(03-06-2021 05:49 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-06-2021 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  [Image: appalachians.jpg]

Excuse me for not being more specific. Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Has anyone ever told you that you're a sterling example of Poe's Law?

It hard to capture sarcasm in written statements.
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RE: Misplaced Teams
(03-06-2021 06:48 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(03-06-2021 05:49 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-06-2021 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  [Image: appalachians.jpg]

Excuse me for not being more specific. Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Has anyone ever told you that you're a sterling example of Poe's Law?

It hard to capture sarcasm in written statements.

X's views are so old school ACC how sure are you he isn't being serious?

And as to the OP, "How can a school be misplaced when its administration chose to be there?" Perhaps it would be more productive, and instructive, to ask what the factors were that made these "misplaced" schools choose their new digs.
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(03-06-2021 05:49 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-06-2021 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  [Image: appalachians.jpg]

Excuse me for not being more specific. Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Has anyone ever told you that you're a sterling example of Poe's Law?

If you had a dollar for every post on this message board that exemplifies Poe's Law, you might have enough money to buy your own Hawaiian island.
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(03-06-2021 06:34 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  I guess I don’t like change. To me those are all Big East teams as well as West Virginia. Notre Dame of course is Independent. Heck, I still like the SWC including Arkansas. And the Big 8 including Nebraska, Missouri, and Colorado. Before TV came in and ruined everything.

I guess Kern Tipps and I can reminisce some time.
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(03-06-2021 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 10:52 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 07:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 05:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 05:56 AM)XLance Wrote:  Your trades are good, kinda!
Yes Missouri needs to be in the B1G and Nebraska needs to return to the Big 12.

Instead of trying to shoehorn West Virginia (where they don't fit culturally or geographically) into the ACC for Louisville, the better trade would be:
Louisville--> SEC
South Carolina--> ACC


and while we are talking ACC trades, this is the first one that should come to mind:
Pitt--> B1G
Maryland--> ACC

and to compensate the SEC for the loss of Missouri: West Virginia--> SEC.

This, BTW leaves the ACC with the additions originally proposed by ESPN to upgrade the ACC from 9 to 12 (Boston College, Syracuse and Miami) plus adding back original members Maryland and South Carolina in exchange for teams that are out of the ACC's footprint (Pittsburgh and Louisville) to remain at 14.

How is Pitt out of the ACC's footprint if that footprint includes BC and Syracuse (and UMD here)? And given that said footprint extends from Boston to Miami, Louisville isn't really all that far outside it.

Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the mountains.

So is Syracuse.

[Image: Greatvalley-map.png]

[Image: appalachians.jpg]

Excuse me for not being more specific. Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

By your definition, XLance, Auburn University and the University of Georgia belong in the ACC!!! Auburn, AL and Athens, GA are both on the eastern side of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Oddly enough, the University of Alabama does not belong in the ACC by your definition, because Tuscaloosa is west of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Your UNC Tar Heels used to play JR Auburn Tigers and my UGa Bulldogs back in the day.
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(03-06-2021 05:49 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-06-2021 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  [Image: appalachians.jpg]

Excuse me for not being more specific. Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Has anyone ever told you that you're a sterling example of Poe's Law?

I don't cotton to "internet culture".
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(03-07-2021 01:52 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(03-06-2021 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 10:52 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 07:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-05-2021 05:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  How is Pitt out of the ACC's footprint if that footprint includes BC and Syracuse (and UMD here)? And given that said footprint extends from Boston to Miami, Louisville isn't really all that far outside it.

Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the mountains.

So is Syracuse.

[Image: Greatvalley-map.png]

[Image: appalachians.jpg]

Excuse me for not being more specific. Pitt and Louisville are on the wrong side of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

By your definition, XLance, Auburn University and the University of Georgia belong in the ACC!!! Auburn, AL and Athens, GA are both on the eastern side of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Oddly enough, the University of Alabama does not belong in the ACC by your definition, because Tuscaloosa is west of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

Your UNC Tar Heels used to play JR Auburn Tigers and my UGa Bulldogs back in the day.

Carolina has very limited history with Auburn, having only played the Tigers 6 or 7 times (three of which were before 1902).
The Heels have played Georgia 30+ times, but only once (1971 bowl game) since their long series ended in 1966.
Carolina also has a 30+ game history with Tennessee which ended in 1961 (one bowl game since).
Duke had a long history with old Southern Conference foe Tennessee and also with Georgia Tech (which has continued since 1933).
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Why would the SEC take Louisville? They don’t add anything the SEC doesn’t have already and don’t meet the SEC profile. The Big XII is made mostly of football first schools that are the flagship or land grant institution in their state. West Virginia fits that profile in the Big XII. Utah and Colorado make sense in the Pac-12. The Conference of Champions now dominates the Pacific and Mountain time zones by weakening the MWC and the WAC going away. Missouri might be a Big Ten school trapped in a Southeastern based conference but they’re very lucky to be in the SEC and they should forever kiss A&M’s behind because the SEC would never have taken Mizzou by themselves. Nebraska makes sense in the Big Ten. Are they having buyer’s remorse? Perhaps. But they’re never going back to the Big XII. Rutgers and Maryland might be questionable but it is what it is at this point. All P5 conferences make sense except the ACC. That conference have so many schools that don’t have much in common and it’s the only one with the least flagship schools. Heck, the MWC has more.
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(03-07-2021 12:11 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Why would the SEC take Louisville? They don’t add anything the SEC doesn’t have already and don’t meet the SEC profile. The Big XII is made mostly of football first schools that are the flagship or land grant institution in their state. West Virginia fits that profile in the Big XII. Utah and Colorado make sense in the Pac-12. The Conference of Champions now dominates the Pacific and Mountain time zones by weakening the MWC and the WAC going away. Missouri might be a Big Ten school trapped in a Southeastern based conference but they’re very lucky to be in the SEC and they should forever kiss A&M’s behind because the SEC would never have taken Mizzou by themselves. Nebraska makes sense in the Big Ten. Are they having buyer’s remorse? Perhaps. But they’re never going back to the Big XII. Rutgers and Maryland might be questionable but it is what it is at this point. All P5 conferences make sense except the ACC. That conference have so many schools that don’t have much in common and it’s the only one with the least flagship schools. Heck, the MWC has more.

Requiring or expacting that a school has to have flagship or land grant status to qualify for membership in a P5 athletic conference makes sense only if a school fields a Capture The Flag team.
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(03-07-2021 12:11 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Why would the SEC take Louisville? They don’t add anything the SEC doesn’t have already and don’t meet the SEC profile. The Big XII is made mostly of football first schools that are the flagship or land grant institution in their state. West Virginia fits that profile in the Big XII. Utah and Colorado make sense in the Pac-12. The Conference of Champions now dominates the Pacific and Mountain time zones by weakening the MWC and the WAC going away. Missouri might be a Big Ten school trapped in a Southeastern based conference but they’re very lucky to be in the SEC and they should forever kiss A&M’s behind because the SEC would never have taken Mizzou by themselves. Nebraska makes sense in the Big Ten. Are they having buyer’s remorse? Perhaps. But they’re never going back to the Big XII. Rutgers and Maryland might be questionable but it is what it is at this point. All P5 conferences make sense except the ACC. That conference have so many schools that don’t have much in common and it’s the only one with the least flagship schools. Heck, the MWC has more.

Why does any conference have two state schools in the same state? Rivalry games bring excitement. Kentucky-Louisville as a conference rivalry in men's basketball meeting twice a year could be as big as Duke-North Carolina and the SEC needs basketball teams. I've said many times Florida and Florida State should be in the same conference too. Which conference that is certainly is up for debate.
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(03-07-2021 02:02 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(03-07-2021 12:11 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Why would the SEC take Louisville? They don’t add anything the SEC doesn’t have already and don’t meet the SEC profile. The Big XII is made mostly of football first schools that are the flagship or land grant institution in their state. West Virginia fits that profile in the Big XII. Utah and Colorado make sense in the Pac-12. The Conference of Champions now dominates the Pacific and Mountain time zones by weakening the MWC and the WAC going away. Missouri might be a Big Ten school trapped in a Southeastern based conference but they’re very lucky to be in the SEC and they should forever kiss A&M’s behind because the SEC would never have taken Mizzou by themselves. Nebraska makes sense in the Big Ten. Are they having buyer’s remorse? Perhaps. But they’re never going back to the Big XII. Rutgers and Maryland might be questionable but it is what it is at this point. All P5 conferences make sense except the ACC. That conference have so many schools that don’t have much in common and it’s the only one with the least flagship schools. Heck, the MWC has more.

Why does any conference have two state schools in the same state? Rivalry games bring excitement. Kentucky-Louisville as a conference rivalry in men's basketball meeting twice a year could be as big as Duke-North Carolina and the SEC needs basketball teams. I've said many times Florida and Florida State should be in the same conference too. Which conference that is certainly is up for debate.

I think the ACC would be amenable with a Louisville and Florida State swap for South Carolina and Georgia.
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Cal & UCLA, Arizona & Arizona St, Oregon & Oregon St, Washington & Washington St, Nevada & UNLV, Utah & Utah St, Colorado & Colorado St, Oklahoma & Oklahoma St, Kansas & Kansas St, Iowa & Iowa St, Michigan & Michigan St, Texas & Texas A&M, etc. etc. Most provide great rivalries.
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