(03-03-2021 10:04 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 05:58 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't know, P. We've had a few close wins, but a lot of blowouts, too. Wins were by 17, 29, 17, 37, 6, 1, 20, 27, 4, 27, 14, 7, 15, 6 and 21.

And 5 of our 6 losses were by single digits.

After the USF win, we are now 9-9 against the spread.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/memphi...-3-2-2021/

I think that's not necessarily the real reason, although since we don't know the formula, it's hard to tell, either way.

I think it's much more that we lost 5 games we were favored to win, than it is point spread in our wins. And ZERO signature wins. I just don't think our situation and the Wheaters are that similar.

remove the extremely terrible ooc wins, which would be countered by a huge sos hit and this comment was made before the usf game

6, 1, 20, 27, 4, 27, 14, 7, 15, 6 ... this isnt huge seperation compared to others with better nets, some of who also likely had better schedules

You moved the goal posts to the entire field. I was responding to your comment that Memphis and Wichita are both borderline b/c of their narrow win margins. Even in the AAC, that isn't true.

This thread is about teams to watch going down the stretch toward the post-season tournaments (including the conference tournaments).

Anybody think of any other "teams to watch" as we approach conference tournament play?

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Loyola-Chicago (21-4; #18 NET; Massey Composite: #24; Q1/Q2: 5-4)

Loyola is currently projected as an 8 seed by bracketmatrix.com, but their Head Coach Porter Mosser led them to the 2018 Final Four (32-6). They may be able to give the #1 team a run for their money in their regional final.

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BYU (19-5; #19 NET; Massey Composite: #17; Q1/Q2: 8-5)

The Cougars have won 14 of their last 17 games and have been climbing steadily in the rankings. They're currently projected as a 7 seed by bracketmatrix.com, but with a #19 NET, could get up to a 5 seed).

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San Diego State (19-4; #17 NET; Massey Composite: #14; Q1/Q2: 6-4)

The Aztecs are currently on a 10-game winning streak, have won 14 of their last 17 games, swept their series with (#34) Boise St., and have been climbing steadily in the rankings. They've been highly competitive (6-2) in their road games, only losing @ #48 Utah State, offsetting those losses with impressive wins vs. (#38) UCLA and (#40) CSU.

They're currently projected as a 8 seed by bracketmatrix.com, but could move up higher in the seedings with their #17 (and rising) NET).

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St. Bonaventure (13-4; #32 NET; Massey Composite: #34; Q1/Q2: 4-3)

The Bonnies have been on a hot streak for much of the season, winning 10 of their 12 most recent games - - losing only @ (#37) VCU and @ (#43) St. Louis - - before dropping their last game to Dayton. They've swept their series with (#71) Davidson, and are one of the few A-10 teams that have defeated #37 VCU.

They're projected as a #10 seed, but could be a tough out in the early rounds of the tournament.

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St. Louis (13-5; #43 NET; Massey Composite: #54; Q1/Q2: 4-3)

The Billikens fortunes have been on somewhat of a roller coaster ride in recent weeks, with losses @ (#37) VCU (by 2 pts), (#70) Minnesota, and (#86) Dayton, but they have also had some compelling wins this season vs. (#29) LSU, (#32) St. Bonaventure, (#64) Richmond, and (#75) NC State.

St. Louis is currently projected to be a middle-of-the-pack NIT team by bracketmatrix, but their NET rank has just moved up 7 notches to #43, and they've shown the potential ability to beat the top teams in the conference during the A-10 tournament, so almost anything might be possible for the Billikens this month.

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Western Kentucky (17-5; #77 NET; Massey Comp: #68; Q1/Q2: 4-4)

The Hilltoppers are on a hot streak, having won 8 of their last 9 games. While they lost a blow-out @ (#4) Houston, that loss was offset by a win @ (#7) Alabama earlier in the season. They've also beaten #59 Memphis (@ Memphis) and #72 Louisiana Tech, and swept their series with #76 Marshall.

According to bracketmatrix.com, WKU would be a likely 12 seed in the NCAA, but their first game in the tournament could be a classic 12-5 match-up.

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Dayton (13-8; #86 NET; Massey Composite: #83; Q1/Q2: 6-4)

The Flyers have just won an impressive away game @ (#28) St. Bonaventure, and they have also won a number of other tough away games this season, beating (#60) Mississippi, (#80) Mississippi State, and (#71) Davidson on their home courts, and sweeping their series with (#43) St. Louis.

They're not currently projected to make the NCAA field at bracketmatrix.com, but might be a dark horse team to watch in the A-10 tournament. The NIT may be within reach, as well, if they are able to either beat VCU in their final home game of the season or advance to the A-10 tournament finals.

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(03-03-2021 01:34 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 01:08 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 06:25 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 06:01 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 08:56 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Whoever thinks Boise was a major surprise doesn't read Coach P.

Im having a hard time seeing how Boise St is in good position. Win at BYU is pretty good but the rest of their resume is a whole lot of nothing plus 2 Ls against a not very good Nevada team. Dont really see how their resume is better than any of the AAC bubble contenders

this year has shown that NET rankings is heavily weighted by performance

memphis is barely beating teams, Wichita was barely beating teams.... when Boise wins they win big, when the lose they lose close

on paper wku shouldnt have dropped at all from losing to houston... playing the #4 net team at their place shouldnt have been a net drop..and playing fiu at home shouldn't be a boost... they dropped 7 spots from the houston loss.. and gained 8 spots back from blowing out fiu at home twice in back to backs

also @ colorado state is great win

Barely beating teams? What are talking about? Wichita is plus 21 and we're plus 117. You're linking us together? Stop with the trolling *******.

we are talking about the NET...

1) i wasnt lumping you together saying you both hadnt been winning by a large enough percent... let me put it in very simple terms so you can understand ---if I say you need 400 coins, and someone has 250 coins, and another has 10 coins.. saying both of you dont have enough is not saying you guys are the same

2) you used total stats saying you +121 on the season and wichita is +21 knowing there is a disparity in the amount of games is manipulation, use averages.. memphis +10 , wichita is +4 per game, for the season...the gap is way closer in just conference games (comparison houston is +20 on a harder schedule than both of you)

your post are actually the trolls

-- i say the net doesnt love memphis and wichita (in comparison to mwc teams) because those 2 are playing to many close games ... you attack me when its just a factual statement

-- i say its to early to tell if penny will be a great or bad coach-- factual statement-- you attack again

"memphis is barely beating teams, Wichita was barely beating teams.... when Boise wins they win big, when the lose they lose close" ~ Coach Spinner

Let me make it simple for you so you can "understand". Read the bolded part up above ^^^^^^ and tell me there is another way to "understand" what you typed other than what you typed.

Memphis' 15.6 points avg. margin of victory is "barely" beating teams? 235/15 = 15.6.

Memphis' avg margin of defeat = 5.0 (worst loss by 11 playing their third game in three days). Boise's avg. margin of defeat = 10.33 (worst losses by 22, 18, and 18). Boise loses close?

Boise is 14-6..........Memphis is 15-6.

(03-04-2021 11:52 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 01:34 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 01:08 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 06:25 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 06:01 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Im having a hard time seeing how Boise St is in good position. Win at BYU is pretty good but the rest of their resume is a whole lot of nothing plus 2 Ls against a not very good Nevada team. Dont really see how their resume is better than any of the AAC bubble contenders

this year has shown that NET rankings is heavily weighted by performance

memphis is barely beating teams, Wichita was barely beating teams.... when Boise wins they win big, when the lose they lose close

on paper wku shouldnt have dropped at all from losing to houston... playing the #4 net team at their place shouldnt have been a net drop..and playing fiu at home shouldn't be a boost... they dropped 7 spots from the houston loss.. and gained 8 spots back from blowing out fiu at home twice in back to backs

also @ colorado state is great win

Barely beating teams? What are talking about? Wichita is plus 21 and we're plus 117. You're linking us together? Stop with the trolling *******.

we are talking about the NET...

1) i wasnt lumping you together saying you both hadnt been winning by a large enough percent... let me put it in very simple terms so you can understand ---if I say you need 400 coins, and someone has 250 coins, and another has 10 coins.. saying both of you dont have enough is not saying you guys are the same

2) you used total stats saying you +121 on the season and wichita is +21 knowing there is a disparity in the amount of games is manipulation, use averages.. memphis +10 , wichita is +4 per game, for the season...the gap is way closer in just conference games (comparison houston is +20 on a harder schedule than both of you)

your post are actually the trolls

-- i say the net doesnt love memphis and wichita (in comparison to mwc teams) because those 2 are playing to many close games ... you attack me when its just a factual statement

-- i say its to early to tell if penny will be a great or bad coach-- factual statement-- you attack again

"memphis is barely beating teams, Wichita was barely beating teams.... when Boise wins they win big, when the lose they lose close" ~ Coach Spinner

Let me make it simple for you so you can "understand". Read the bolded part up above ^^^^^^ and tell me there is another way to "understand" what you typed other than what you typed.

Memphis' 15.6 points avg. margin of victory is "barely" beating teams? 235/15 = 15.6.

Memphis' avg margin of defeat = 5.0 (worst loss by 11 playing their third game in three days). Boise's avg. margin of defeat = 10.33 (worst losses by 22, 18, and 18). Boise loses close?

Boise is 14-6..........Memphis is 15-6.

whats your point- i said wichita and memphis arent winning by enough

then said boise is winning game by more, plus they losses are close which helps ...

i never said anything about memphis' margin of defeated being worse than boise

(03-04-2021 12:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 11:52 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 01:34 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 01:08 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 06:25 PM)pesik Wrote:  this year has shown that NET rankings is heavily weighted by performance

memphis is barely beating teams, Wichita was barely beating teams.... when Boise wins they win big, when the lose they lose close

on paper wku shouldnt have dropped at all from losing to houston... playing the #4 net team at their place shouldnt have been a net drop..and playing fiu at home shouldn't be a boost... they dropped 7 spots from the houston loss.. and gained 8 spots back from blowing out fiu at home twice in back to backs

also @ colorado state is great win

Barely beating teams? What are talking about? Wichita is plus 21 and we're plus 117. You're linking us together? Stop with the trolling *******.

we are talking about the NET...

1) i wasnt lumping you together saying you both hadnt been winning by a large enough percent... let me put it in very simple terms so you can understand ---if I say you need 400 coins, and someone has 250 coins, and another has 10 coins.. saying both of you dont have enough is not saying you guys are the same

2) you used total stats saying you +121 on the season and wichita is +21 knowing there is a disparity in the amount of games is manipulation, use averages.. memphis +10 , wichita is +4 per game, for the season...the gap is way closer in just conference games (comparison houston is +20 on a harder schedule than both of you)

your post are actually the trolls

-- i say the net doesnt love memphis and wichita (in comparison to mwc teams) because those 2 are playing to many close games ... you attack me when its just a factual statement

-- i say its to early to tell if penny will be a great or bad coach-- factual statement-- you attack again

"memphis is barely beating teams, Wichita was barely beating teams.... when Boise wins they win big, when the lose they lose close" ~ Coach Spinner

Let me make it simple for you so you can "understand". Read the bolded part up above ^^^^^^ and tell me there is another way to "understand" what you typed other than what you typed.

Memphis' 15.6 points avg. margin of victory is "barely" beating teams? 235/15 = 15.6.

Memphis' avg margin of defeat = 5.0 (worst loss by 11 playing their third game in three days). Boise's avg. margin of defeat = 10.33 (worst losses by 22, 18, and 18). Boise loses close?

Boise is 14-6..........Memphis is 15-6.

whats your point- i said wichita and memphis arent winning by enough

then said boise is winning game by more, plus they losses are close which helps ...

i never said anything about memphis' margin of defeated being worse than boise

You said Memphis barely wins and Boise barely loses. Both are incorrect. I rest my case.

edit: You also imply Memphis isn't losing close by saying Boise does lose close in your comparison. Basically every post you write, you frame a narrative to take digs at other programs, while managing to pepper in praise for yours. You're not fooling anyone.

(03-02-2021 09:43 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 10:11 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 09:52 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

a penny for your thoughts...?

I don't think the Patriot League should be more than a one-bid league.

I've posted in other threads that the NET love for Colgate is a head-scratcher. Patriot League decided against out of conference play, but made exceptions for Navy and Army given the unique missions of the academies (this goes back to last year, including for instance Navy and Army getting in a couple fall soccer games).
So how is Colgate beating up on Patriot League only -- granted a handful of big margin of victory wins -- top-ten-worthy? Navy went out of conference winning over MtStMary's, George Washington, and @Georgetown and losing (big) at Maryland. Yes, GWU and GU have underperformed, but I will revel in winning at Georgetown for a while. RPI has Colgate and Navy adjacent, but NET has a 75-spot difference? Crazy.
I've also posted in other threads that it sucks big time that Navy has a chance to be a regular season champ, but if we lose to Colgate on our home court, with a high RPI ranking thanks to that ooc...and zippo for NIT. Sucks.

The PL season has been weird. Choosing to minimize travel for COVID safety, we established three mini-conferences. There has been some cross-division play (Navy got to win a Star vs Army) but it set up for tournament games to be the first time teams saw each other. If we see Colgate it will be the first matchup. If #1 Navy got to see #8 Holy Cross, it would have been the first matchup; HC tapped out for COVID so instead we'll see Loyola for the third time in seven days.
That's the other aspect - those mini-conference schedules delivered Sat-Sun, back-to-back, Home-Away series for the majority of the season. One reason Navy won out was that that set up rewarded depth and conditioning and we got it done...now the campus-site tournament will turn that on its head.
Tournament for Navy could end up againt Loyola with the probable conference player of the year, with only a short bus ride for the visitors, without a bye advantage (since HC gave them a full week off); if we get past that, then either arch-rival Army or short-trip American on three-days' rest, then NET #9 Colgate with more travel for the visitors but still getting three days' rest.

I think we could win those three...but our Captain, our big man, and our HC all missed last weekend's games, so...we could lose any of those three...and abruptly be done where any other year we'd have at least had an NIT.

#9 Loyola at #1 seed Navy tipping off the Patriot League quarterfinals.
Streaming on ESPN+ now!!

I think our radio team has the +, but I am listening not watching. Pete Medhurst and Mike Heary (an Admiral-era player)

Third meeting in seven days.
Captain of Captains Cam Davis and big man Njoku our again for non-team contact tracing.

Loyola is led by Aldama, PL PoY candidate

(03-04-2021 12:46 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 12:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 11:52 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 01:34 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 01:08 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Barely beating teams? What are talking about? Wichita is plus 21 and we're plus 117. You're linking us together? Stop with the trolling *******.

we are talking about the NET...

1) i wasnt lumping you together saying you both hadnt been winning by a large enough percent... let me put it in very simple terms so you can understand ---if I say you need 400 coins, and someone has 250 coins, and another has 10 coins.. saying both of you dont have enough is not saying you guys are the same

2) you used total stats saying you +121 on the season and wichita is +21 knowing there is a disparity in the amount of games is manipulation, use averages.. memphis +10 , wichita is +4 per game, for the season...the gap is way closer in just conference games (comparison houston is +20 on a harder schedule than both of you)

your post are actually the trolls

-- i say the net doesnt love memphis and wichita (in comparison to mwc teams) because those 2 are playing to many close games ... you attack me when its just a factual statement

-- i say its to early to tell if penny will be a great or bad coach-- factual statement-- you attack again

"memphis is barely beating teams, Wichita was barely beating teams.... when Boise wins they win big, when the lose they lose close" ~ Coach Spinner

Let me make it simple for you so you can "understand". Read the bolded part up above ^^^^^^ and tell me there is another way to "understand" what you typed other than what you typed.

Memphis' 15.6 points avg. margin of victory is "barely" beating teams? 235/15 = 15.6.

Memphis' avg margin of defeat = 5.0 (worst loss by 11 playing their third game in three days). Boise's avg. margin of defeat = 10.33 (worst losses by 22, 18, and 18). Boise loses close?

Boise is 14-6..........Memphis is 15-6.

whats your point- i said wichita and memphis arent winning by enough

then said boise is winning game by more, plus they losses are close which helps ...

i never said anything about memphis' margin of defeated being worse than boise

You said Memphis barely wins and Boise barely loses. Both are incorrect. I rest my case.

edit: You also imply Memphis isn't losing close by saying Boise does lose close in your comparison. Basically every post you write, you frame a narrative to take digs at other programs, while managing to pepper in praise for yours. You're not fooling anyone.

If your numbers for Memphis and Boise are correct, then pesik is flat-out wrong to post Memphis barely wins and Boise barely loses (I went back and he did, indeed, post that).

So if your wrong, pesik, be a man, admit it and move on.

(03-06-2021 12:02 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 09:43 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 10:11 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 09:52 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

a penny for your thoughts...?

I don't think the Patriot League should be more than a one-bid league.

I've posted in other threads that the NET love for Colgate is a head-scratcher. Patriot League decided against out of conference play, but made exceptions for Navy and Army given the unique missions of the academies (this goes back to last year, including for instance Navy and Army getting in a couple fall soccer games).
So how is Colgate beating up on Patriot League only -- granted a handful of big margin of victory wins -- top-ten-worthy? Navy went out of conference winning over MtStMary's, George Washington, and @Georgetown and losing (big) at Maryland. Yes, GWU and GU have underperformed, but I will revel in winning at Georgetown for a while. RPI has Colgate and Navy adjacent, but NET has a 75-spot difference? Crazy.
I've also posted in other threads that it sucks big time that Navy has a chance to be a regular season champ, but if we lose to Colgate on our home court, with a high RPI ranking thanks to that ooc...and zippo for NIT. Sucks.

The PL season has been weird. Choosing to minimize travel for COVID safety, we established three mini-conferences. There has been some cross-division play (Navy got to win a Star vs Army) but it set up for tournament games to be the first time teams saw each other. If we see Colgate it will be the first matchup. If #1 Navy got to see #8 Holy Cross, it would have been the first matchup; HC tapped out for COVID so instead we'll see Loyola for the third time in seven days.
That's the other aspect - those mini-conference schedules delivered Sat-Sun, back-to-back, Home-Away series for the majority of the season. One reason Navy won out was that that set up rewarded depth and conditioning and we got it done...now the campus-site tournament will turn that on its head.
Tournament for Navy could end up againt Loyola with the probable conference player of the year, with only a short bus ride for the visitors, without a bye advantage (since HC gave them a full week off); if we get past that, then either arch-rival Army or short-trip American on three-days' rest, then NET #9 Colgate with more travel for the visitors but still getting three days' rest.

I think we could win those three...but our Captain, our big man, and our HC all missed last weekend's games, so...we could lose any of those three...and abruptly be done where any other year we'd have at least had an NIT.

#9 Loyola at #1 seed Navy tipping off the Patriot League quarterfinals.
Streaming on ESPN+ now!!

I think our radio team has the +, but I am listening not watching. Pete Medhurst and Mike Heary (an Admiral-era player)

Third meeting in seven days.
Captain of Captains Cam Davis and big man Njoku our again for non-team contact tracing.

Loyola is led by Aldama, PL PoY candidate

(03-06-2021 01:34 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 12:02 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 09:43 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 10:11 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(03-02-2021 09:52 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

a penny for your thoughts...?

I don't think the Patriot League should be more than a one-bid league.

I've posted in other threads that the NET love for Colgate is a head-scratcher. Patriot League decided against out of conference play, but made exceptions for Navy and Army given the unique missions of the academies (this goes back to last year, including for instance Navy and Army getting in a couple fall soccer games).
So how is Colgate beating up on Patriot League only -- granted a handful of big margin of victory wins -- top-ten-worthy? Navy went out of conference winning over MtStMary's, George Washington, and @Georgetown and losing (big) at Maryland. Yes, GWU and GU have underperformed, but I will revel in winning at Georgetown for a while. RPI has Colgate and Navy adjacent, but NET has a 75-spot difference? Crazy.
I've also posted in other threads that it sucks big time that Navy has a chance to be a regular season champ, but if we lose to Colgate on our home court, with a high RPI ranking thanks to that ooc...and zippo for NIT. Sucks.

The PL season has been weird. Choosing to minimize travel for COVID safety, we established three mini-conferences. There has been some cross-division play (Navy got to win a Star vs Army) but it set up for tournament games to be the first time teams saw each other. If we see Colgate it will be the first matchup. If #1 Navy got to see #8 Holy Cross, it would have been the first matchup; HC tapped out for COVID so instead we'll see Loyola for the third time in seven days.
That's the other aspect - those mini-conference schedules delivered Sat-Sun, back-to-back, Home-Away series for the majority of the season. One reason Navy won out was that that set up rewarded depth and conditioning and we got it done...now the campus-site tournament will turn that on its head.
Tournament for Navy could end up againt Loyola with the probable conference player of the year, with only a short bus ride for the visitors, without a bye advantage (since HC gave them a full week off); if we get past that, then either arch-rival Army or short-trip American on three-days' rest, then NET #9 Colgate with more travel for the visitors but still getting three days' rest.

I think we could win those three...but our Captain, our big man, and our HC all missed last weekend's games, so...we could lose any of those three...and abruptly be done where any other year we'd have at least had an NIT.

#9 Loyola at #1 seed Navy tipping off the Patriot League quarterfinals.
Streaming on ESPN+ now!!

I think our radio team has the +, but I am listening not watching. Pete Medhurst and Mike Heary (an Admiral-era player)

Third meeting in seven days.
Captain of Captains Cam Davis and big man Njoku our again for non-team contact tracing.

Loyola is led by Aldama, PL PoY candidate

Loyola 76, Navy 68.

2020-21 in full effect.

That's a really tough break, especially having to play the same team 3 games in a row. It's a shame the NIT isn't taking regular season champions this year. Navy deserves a postseason after a great year.

BTW, bubble team Rutgers is in OT right now on Fox. A loss could help the AAC.