(03-17-2021 07:46 AM)emu79 Wrote:  If CC goes 6-6 next year he isn't going to get fired. I have to look up his contract but it runs I believe through 2022.

The big thing folks are glossing over is that C.C.'s team are very competitive regardless of the W - L record.

Not all 6 - 6 are equal.

(03-17-2021 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:46 AM)emu79 Wrote:  If CC goes 6-6 next year he isn't going to get fired. I have to look up his contract but it runs I believe through 2022.

The big thing folks are glossing over is that C.C.'s team are very competitive regardless of the W - L record.

Not all 6 - 6 are equal.

Being competitive is great! Yes, it's much better then 1996-2015! But, what's the goal at E Michigan????? 6-6, or to actually compete for MAC championships? CC is below .500 the past 5 seasons! Neu, Leipold, and Martin won MAC titles during that time frame, and all 3 were dead last not long ago in the MAC! We won MAC championships when I was student in late 80's, early 90's! We can't settle for being competitive! We've a very average schedule next season! We need A winning MAC record for sure in year 8!

(03-16-2021 09:13 PM)mpleafan Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 09:03 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 07:49 PM)emu steve Wrote:  ESPN's Bill Connelly has us at 6 - 6. ESPN+ article.

If we finish 6-6 with the schedule next year, then CC needs to be let go........8-4 has to be the number! 3-1 OOC and 5-3 MAC is an absolute must in year 8! Did he list wins and loses?

He listed likely wins as: Saint Francis, UMass, BG

Toss-ups: Texas State (60%), Miami (Ohio) (60%), at NIU (50%), Ohio (42%), WMU (37%)

and Likely losses: Ball State (32%), at CMU (26%), at Toledo (25%), at Wisconsin (2%)

So he's saying Eastern is likely to win two games on the road and the rest of the road games are losses or toss-ups in which he doesn't favor the Eagles. I have to believe the Eagles will be better than a 2-4 road team.

(03-17-2021 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:46 AM)emu79 Wrote:  If CC goes 6-6 next year he isn't going to get fired. I have to look up his contract but it runs I believe through 2022.

The big thing folks are glossing over is that C.C.'s team are very competitive regardless of the W - L record.

Not all 6 - 6 are equal.

I can recall when any EMU football coach going 6-6 would be nominated for saint hood. I think the last coach prior to CC having such a record was Rasnick.

(03-17-2021 09:40 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:46 AM)emu79 Wrote:  If CC goes 6-6 next year he isn't going to get fired. I have to look up his contract but it runs I believe through 2022.

The big thing folks are glossing over is that C.C.'s team are very competitive regardless of the W - L record.

Not all 6 - 6 are equal.

Being competitive is great! Yes, it's much better then 1996-2015! But, what's the goal at E Michigan????? 6-6, or to actually compete for MAC championships? CC is below .500 the past 5 seasons! Neu, Leipold, and Martin won MAC titles during that time frame, and all 3 were dead last not long ago in the MAC! We won MAC championships when I was student in late 80's, early 90's! We can't settle for being competitive! We've a very average schedule next season! We need A winning MAC record for sure in year 8!

No other MAC coach has had to overcome as much as CC has at Eastern when he took the job. All those other programs had winning streaks and,a much better reputation and foundation then EMU. EMU was considered the toughest and worst job in FBS. It was justified.

I see 6-6 as a realistic *floor* for the season. Hoping we can do better and land at 8-4 but it's not unreasonable for a national sportswriter who didn't watch our games last season to say our most likely outcome.

(03-17-2021 10:59 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  I see 6-6 as a realistic *floor* for the season. Hoping we can do better and land at 8-4 but it's not unreasonable for a national sportswriter who didn't watch our games last season to say our most likely outcome.

i wanna see what phil steele says in a few weeks

(03-17-2021 11:40 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 10:59 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  I see 6-6 as a realistic *floor* for the season. Hoping we can do better and land at 8-4 but it's not unreasonable for a national sportswriter who didn't watch our games last season to say our most likely outcome.

i wanna see what phil steele says in a few weeks

Agreed. Phil Steele is awesome and is accurate. I'm learning to stay away from the Athlon types and whoever this guy was that said 6-6. I'm confident in a 8-4 or 7-5 season. 6-6 would be a disappointment to be honest.

We need to raise the expectations. Stop being satisfied with .500 ball

(03-17-2021 11:56 AM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 11:40 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 10:59 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  I see 6-6 as a realistic *floor* for the season. Hoping we can do better and land at 8-4 but it's not unreasonable for a national sportswriter who didn't watch our games last season to say our most likely outcome.

i wanna see what phil steele says in a few weeks

Agreed. Phil Steele is awesome and is accurate. I'm learning to stay away from the Athlon types and whoever this guy was that said 6-6. I'm confident in a 8-4 or 7-5 season. 6-6 would be a disappointment to be honest.

We need to raise the expectations. Stop being satisfied with .500 ball

It is ESPN's Bill Connelly who is doing all conferences for ESPN+ subscribers. He just did the MAC West.

(03-17-2021 11:56 AM)steve4840 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 11:40 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 10:59 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  I see 6-6 as a realistic *floor* for the season. Hoping we can do better and land at 8-4 but it's not unreasonable for a national sportswriter who didn't watch our games last season to say our most likely outcome.

i wanna see what phil steele says in a few weeks

Agreed. Phil Steele is awesome and is accurate. I'm learning to stay away from the Athlon types and whoever this guy was that said 6-6. I'm confident in a 8-4 or 7-5 season. 6-6 would be a disappointment to be honest.

We need to raise the expectations. Stop being satisfied with .500 ball

Thank you! You nailed it! Stop making excuses E Michigan was the hardest coaching job! That was 8 years ago! CC has had his own players for 5 plus seasons! A winning MAC record of 5-3 is an absolute must!

(03-17-2021 09:57 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:40 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:46 AM)emu79 Wrote:  If CC goes 6-6 next year he isn't going to get fired. I have to look up his contract but it runs I believe through 2022.

The big thing folks are glossing over is that C.C.'s team are very competitive regardless of the W - L record.

Not all 6 - 6 are equal.

Being competitive is great! Yes, it's much better then 1996-2015! But, what's the goal at E Michigan????? 6-6, or to actually compete for MAC championships? CC is below .500 the past 5 seasons! Neu, Leipold, and Martin won MAC titles during that time frame, and all 3 were dead last not long ago in the MAC! We won MAC championships when I was student in late 80's, early 90's! We can't settle for being competitive! We've a very average schedule next season! We need A winning MAC record for sure in year 8!

No other MAC coach has had to overcome as much as CC has at Eastern when he took the job. All those other programs had winning streaks and,a much better reputation and foundation then EMU. EMU was considered the toughest and worst job in FBS. It was justified.

BOOM! You are correct. How many other programs were featured on HBO with a professor spouting the idea that they should join the Horizon League and drop football? Neu, Leipold and Martin would have declined any interview for the EMU job.

(03-17-2021 06:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:57 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:40 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:46 AM)emu79 Wrote:  If CC goes 6-6 next year he isn't going to get fired. I have to look up his contract but it runs I believe through 2022.

The big thing folks are glossing over is that C.C.'s team are very competitive regardless of the W - L record.

Not all 6 - 6 are equal.

Being competitive is great! Yes, it's much better then 1996-2015! But, what's the goal at E Michigan????? 6-6, or to actually compete for MAC championships? CC is below .500 the past 5 seasons! Neu, Leipold, and Martin won MAC titles during that time frame, and all 3 were dead last not long ago in the MAC! We won MAC championships when I was student in late 80's, early 90's! We can't settle for being competitive! We've a very average schedule next season! We need A winning MAC record for sure in year 8!

No other MAC coach has had to overcome as much as CC has at Eastern when he took the job. All those other programs had winning streaks and,a much better reputation and foundation then EMU. EMU was considered the toughest and worst job in FBS. It was justified.

BOOM! You are correct. How many other programs were featured on HBO with a professor spouting the idea that they should join the Horizon League and drop football? Neu, Leipold and Martin would have declined any interview for the EMU job.

Valid point, so do you give CC 12 years to win A MAC championship? Is a 6-6 record, and 4-4 the expectation then! Jerry, you're a very intelligent man, would your boss have given you a decade plus to perform a task at work? Meaning going into an under performing area at the company, and not seeing significant changes within 3 years! CC needs to have a significant record improvement!

(03-17-2021 08:15 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 06:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:57 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:40 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  The big thing folks are glossing over is that C.C.'s team are very competitive regardless of the W - L record.

Not all 6 - 6 are equal.

Being competitive is great! Yes, it's much better then 1996-2015! But, what's the goal at E Michigan????? 6-6, or to actually compete for MAC championships? CC is below .500 the past 5 seasons! Neu, Leipold, and Martin won MAC titles during that time frame, and all 3 were dead last not long ago in the MAC! We won MAC championships when I was student in late 80's, early 90's! We can't settle for being competitive! We've a very average schedule next season! We need A winning MAC record for sure in year 8!

No other MAC coach has had to overcome as much as CC has at Eastern when he took the job. All those other programs had winning streaks and,a much better reputation and foundation then EMU. EMU was considered the toughest and worst job in FBS. It was justified.

BOOM! You are correct. How many other programs were featured on HBO with a professor spouting the idea that they should join the Horizon League and drop football? Neu, Leipold and Martin would have declined any interview for the EMU job.

Valid point, so do you give CC 12 years to win A MAC championship? Is a 6-6 record, and 4-4 the expectation then! Jerry, you're a very intelligent man, would your boss have given you a decade plus to perform a task at work? Meaning going into an under performing area at the company, and not seeing significant changes within 3 years! CC needs to have a significant record improvement!

Thanks for presenting a compelling argument and contrasting it to the business world. It opened my eyes, but only solidified my affection for Creighton.

Multi-unit national corporations have locations across the US. Some locations like Ann Arbor where I worked were lucrative and I made a great living. Units in Detroit and other depressed areas like Jackson, Pontiac, Adrian, River Rouge, etc... were not.

My boss used a different yardstick when measuring manager performance as a result. He was happy if his downtrodden locations turned any kind of profit as it was preferable to losing money. Expecting them to produce $500K in annual profit like Ann Arbor locations would be pure fantasy and as a result we rewarded them to stay for far less sterling results.

That is where we are at with Creighton. He does not have the donor money or the established fan interest of Toledo, or for that matter WMU. He is, however, by most accounts attempting to establish such a program and his results while paltry are "still in the black".

(03-18-2021 06:23 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:15 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 06:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:57 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:40 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Being competitive is great! Yes, it's much better then 1996-2015! But, what's the goal at E Michigan????? 6-6, or to actually compete for MAC championships? CC is below .500 the past 5 seasons! Neu, Leipold, and Martin won MAC titles during that time frame, and all 3 were dead last not long ago in the MAC! We won MAC championships when I was student in late 80's, early 90's! We can't settle for being competitive! We've a very average schedule next season! We need A winning MAC record for sure in year 8!

No other MAC coach has had to overcome as much as CC has at Eastern when he took the job. All those other programs had winning streaks and,a much better reputation and foundation then EMU. EMU was considered the toughest and worst job in FBS. It was justified.

BOOM! You are correct. How many other programs were featured on HBO with a professor spouting the idea that they should join the Horizon League and drop football? Neu, Leipold and Martin would have declined any interview for the EMU job.

Valid point, so do you give CC 12 years to win A MAC championship? Is a 6-6 record, and 4-4 the expectation then! Jerry, you're a very intelligent man, would your boss have given you a decade plus to perform a task at work? Meaning going into an under performing area at the company, and not seeing significant changes within 3 years! CC needs to have a significant record improvement!

Thanks for presenting a compelling argument and contrasting it to the business world. It opened my eyes, but only solidified my affection for Creighton.

Multi-unit national corporations have locations across the US. Some locations like Ann Arbor where I worked were lucrative and I made a great living. Units in Detroit and other depressed areas like Jackson, Pontiac, Adrian, River Rouge, etc... were not.

My boss used a different yardstick when measuring manager performance as a result. He was happy if his downtrodden locations turned any kind of profit as it was preferable to losing money. Expecting them to produce $500K in annual profit like Ann Arbor locations would be pure fantasy and as a result we rewarded them to stay for far less sterling results.

That is where we are at with Creighton. He does not have the donor money or the established fan interest of Toledo, or for that matter WMU. He is, however, by most accounts attempting to establish such a program and his results while paltry are "still in the black".

Jerry, very well said! Your response opened my eyes comparing different areas and how different locations aren't a equal playing field! Obviously, Toledo has won for decades!

(03-18-2021 10:26 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(03-18-2021 06:23 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:15 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 06:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 09:57 AM)emu79 Wrote:  No other MAC coach has had to overcome as much as CC has at Eastern when he took the job. All those other programs had winning streaks and,a much better reputation and foundation then EMU. EMU was considered the toughest and worst job in FBS. It was justified.

BOOM! You are correct. How many other programs were featured on HBO with a professor spouting the idea that they should join the Horizon League and drop football? Neu, Leipold and Martin would have declined any interview for the EMU job.

Valid point, so do you give CC 12 years to win A MAC championship? Is a 6-6 record, and 4-4 the expectation then! Jerry, you're a very intelligent man, would your boss have given you a decade plus to perform a task at work? Meaning going into an under performing area at the company, and not seeing significant changes within 3 years! CC needs to have a significant record improvement!

Thanks for presenting a compelling argument and contrasting it to the business world. It opened my eyes, but only solidified my affection for Creighton.

Multi-unit national corporations have locations across the US. Some locations like Ann Arbor where I worked were lucrative and I made a great living. Units in Detroit and other depressed areas like Jackson, Pontiac, Adrian, River Rouge, etc... were not.

My boss used a different yardstick when measuring manager performance as a result. He was happy if his downtrodden locations turned any kind of profit as it was preferable to losing money. Expecting them to produce $500K in annual profit like Ann Arbor locations would be pure fantasy and as a result we rewarded them to stay for far less sterling results.

That is where we are at with Creighton. He does not have the donor money or the established fan interest of Toledo, or for that matter WMU. He is, however, by most accounts attempting to establish such a program and his results while paltry are "still in the black".

Jerry, very well said! Your response opened my eyes comparing different areas and how different locations aren't a equal playing field! Obviously, Toledo has won for decades!

I'm not giving CC a free pass, but he had the balls to take over a program with no history, lousy facilities, no faculty support, paltry attendance and a storied P-5 program playing six miles west sucking up big potential donor dollars. Toledo, WMU and CMU, by contrast have large donor contributions as they are located in college sports deserts. Jason Candles' $1M contract is largely paid by those outside the University at Toledo.

That said, I agree with your basic premise, we simply cannot accept more seasons like we had last year. At a minimum, we do need to win the Michigan MAC trophy after 10 years of it residing elsewhere. Otherwise... we sucked before CC got here, but his best season is just five MAC wins, the same as Rasnick's and just one better than Genyk and English. Let's wait and see, I feel your pain my friend.

(03-19-2021 06:39 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-18-2021 10:26 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(03-18-2021 06:23 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 08:15 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 06:03 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  BOOM! You are correct. How many other programs were featured on HBO with a professor spouting the idea that they should join the Horizon League and drop football? Neu, Leipold and Martin would have declined any interview for the EMU job.

Valid point, so do you give CC 12 years to win A MAC championship? Is a 6-6 record, and 4-4 the expectation then! Jerry, you're a very intelligent man, would your boss have given you a decade plus to perform a task at work? Meaning going into an under performing area at the company, and not seeing significant changes within 3 years! CC needs to have a significant record improvement!

Thanks for presenting a compelling argument and contrasting it to the business world. It opened my eyes, but only solidified my affection for Creighton.

Multi-unit national corporations have locations across the US. Some locations like Ann Arbor where I worked were lucrative and I made a great living. Units in Detroit and other depressed areas like Jackson, Pontiac, Adrian, River Rouge, etc... were not.

My boss used a different yardstick when measuring manager performance as a result. He was happy if his downtrodden locations turned any kind of profit as it was preferable to losing money. Expecting them to produce $500K in annual profit like Ann Arbor locations would be pure fantasy and as a result we rewarded them to stay for far less sterling results.

That is where we are at with Creighton. He does not have the donor money or the established fan interest of Toledo, or for that matter WMU. He is, however, by most accounts attempting to establish such a program and his results while paltry are "still in the black".

Jerry, very well said! Your response opened my eyes comparing different areas and how different locations aren't a equal playing field! Obviously, Toledo has won for decades!

I'm not giving CC a free pass, but he had the balls to take over a program with no history, lousy facilities, no faculty support, paltry attendance and a storied P-5 program playing six miles west sucking up big potential donor dollars. Toledo, WMU and CMU, by contrast have large donor contributions as they are located in college sports deserts. Jason Candles' $1M contract is largely paid by those outside the University at Toledo.

That said, I agree with your basic premise, we simply cannot accept more seasons like we had last year. At a minimum, we do need to win the Michigan MAC trophy after 10 years of it residing elsewhere. Otherwise... we sucked before CC got here, but his best season is just five MAC wins, the same as Rasnick's and just one better than Genyk and English. Let's wait and see, I feel your pain my friend.

i would like to point out that frank solich hasnt actually won the MAC yet. He's won the division 4 times out of 16 seasons. Solich also didnt win a bowl game until his 7th season - and that was after losing 3 bowl game before.

The guy i compare CC to the most is Bill Snyder - who in 27 seasons only won the conference twice - his division 5 times - and has a stadium named after him.

(03-17-2021 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:46 AM)emu79 Wrote:  If CC goes 6-6 next year he isn't going to get fired. I have to look up his contract but it runs I believe through 2022.

The big thing folks are glossing over is that C.C.'s team are very competitive regardless of the W - L record.

Not all 6 - 6 are equal.

Truth. And wildly entertaining.

This season is CC's coming out party. I've said it before but Hutch reminds me so much of Iowa State's Brock Purdy. I am excited and optimistic about the coming season.

(03-22-2021 06:53 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  This season is CC's coming out party. I've said it before but Hutch reminds me so much of Iowa State's Brock Purdy. I am excited and optimistic about the coming season.

Who is Brock Purdy?

Does Brock Purdy remind anyone of Hutch?

(03-22-2021 06:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-22-2021 06:53 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  This season is CC's coming out party. I've said it before but Hutch reminds me so much of Iowa State's Brock Purdy. I am excited and optimistic about the coming season.

Who is Brock Purdy?

Does Brock Purdy remind anyone of Hutch?

Hutch is going to open some eyes this season. The kid has 'IT.'