I just read the Sephora post about how they cut ties with one of their models because they are conservative and they likely supported Trump.

It reminded me of the post a few days back about the Superbowl ads not filling up etc... and other recent articles about cancel culture cutting ties with conservative views.

It makes me truly wonder what the motivation and end game is with these companies and businesses? If anyone saw the Michael Jordan series, he was criticized for not making political statements (as an endorser of Nike) and he said something along the lines of "Republicans buy shoes too".


These businesses are drawing a line in the sand that basically cuts their potential business in half before they even open their door? They are cutting their nose to spite their face in a big, big way.

How long will it take and what significant event is going to stop/change this? My guess is that it will take one major business failure tied to this decision of pandering to one side over the other. Covid has already claimed some significant businesses, but that is easy to comprehend... what happens when the closure if directly tied to a social justice decision. Sephora is childs play in terms of major business, but what happens if becomes a place like Target, or Walmart? How about Anheuser Bush or Chevrolet?

Republicans buy stuff.... what happens if they stop buying stuff in revolt of this new cancel culture? These people are underestimating 160M opposing voices who may finally decide to take their ball and go home after being kicked over and over again for nothing more than free thinking?

It wont fix all the problems, but the bare minimum political affiliation needs to be a protected class. At least you can keep banks or online payment sites from refusing to operate for certain people.

It isn't going to get better doing nothing...and all these culturally conservative never Trumper types that think it only happens to "bigots" and "nazis" are deluded. The boundaries of what's considered acceptable to the mob corporate America fears will only shrink.

This only reinforces my theory that only idiots are in charge now days.

I think some of these companies don't really know their customers as well as they think they do. Or have a very skewed image of what those "on the other side" are like.

Most likely, in typical fashion, its a company run by people who spent no time around regular people. They live in a coastal bubble somewhere and can only guess at what is really in the hearts and minds of most people.

(01-31-2021 12:02 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  This only reinforces my theory that only idiots are in charge now days.

I've long said American businesses succeed in spite of top management, not because of it.

If you've ever been in middle management, you probably understand this.

For every Herb Kelleher or Roberto Guizetta, there are a hundred Frank Lorenzos or Doug Dafts.

(01-31-2021 12:14 PM)Todor Wrote:  I think some of these companies don't really know their customers as well as they think they do. Or have a very skewed image of what those "on the other side" are like.

Most likely, in typical fashion, its a company run by people who spent no time around regular people. They live in a coastal bubble somewhere and can only guess at what is really in the hearts and minds of most people.

They live in a bubble with other top managers. They get pressure from progressive groups. Many of these companies are in places like New York City where they may never hear a conservative voice. And many others are run by Europeans.

And as you say, some don't know their customers and aren't like their customers.

Classic case is New Coke. It was one of Roberto Guizetto's failures, but he recovered quickly from it. The decision was made by a Cuban, Mexican, Australian and a Yankee from northern Indiana, which is Pepsi country. Nobody who was from the core of their business in the South where Coke is the word for a carbonated beverage. Instead, they were trying to make it taste more like Pepsi.

(01-31-2021 11:54 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  It wont fix all the problems, but the bare minimum political affiliation needs to be a protected class. At least you can keep banks or online payment sites from refusing to operate for certain people.

It isn't going to get better doing nothing...and all these culturally conservative never Trumper types that think it only happens to "bigots" and "nazis" are deluded. The boundaries of what's considered acceptable to the mob corporate America fears will only shrink.

At least certain services should not be allowed to discriminate. Banking and financial services are key.

(01-31-2021 01:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 12:02 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  This only reinforces my theory that only idiots are in charge now days.

I've long said American businesses succeed in spite of top management, not because of it.
If you've ever been in middle management, you probably understand this.
For every Herb Kelleher or Roberto Guizetta, there are a hundred Frank Lorenzos or Doug Dafts.

Herb was largely a figurehead. Colleen Barnett ran the company. I remember one Friday afternoon being stuck in the commuter rush at Love Field as weather had torn up their schedule and I was trying to get to Houston to make a then-illegal connection to LAX. Person after person walked up the counter and said, "I'm a personal friend of Herb Kelleher, and will put in a good word for you," and they were all handed wait-in-line numbers. I said, "I'll put in a good word with Colleen," and got walked directly onto the next plane out.

(01-31-2021 01:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 12:14 PM)Todor Wrote:  I think some of these companies don't really know their customers as well as they think they do. Or have a very skewed image of what those "on the other side" are like.

Most likely, in typical fashion, its a company run by people who spent no time around regular people. They live in a coastal bubble somewhere and can only guess at what is really in the hearts and minds of most people.

They live in a bubble with other top managers. They get pressure from progressive groups. Many of these companies are in places like New York City where they may never hear a conservative voice. And many others are run by Europeans.

And as you say, some don't know their customers and aren't like their customers.

Classic case is New Coke. It was one of Roberto Guizetto's failures, but he recovered quickly from it. The decision was made by a Cuban, Mexican, Australian and a Yankee from northern Indiana, which is Pepsi country. Nobody who was from the core of their business in the South where Coke is the word for a carbonated beverage. Instead, they were trying to make it taste more like Pepsi.

Coca Cola
Invented by Lt. Col. John S. Pemberton, CSA

Have a Coke and a smile
.

(01-31-2021 01:30 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 01:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 12:14 PM)Todor Wrote:  I think some of these companies don't really know their customers as well as they think they do. Or have a very skewed image of what those "on the other side" are like.

Most likely, in typical fashion, its a company run by people who spent no time around regular people. They live in a coastal bubble somewhere and can only guess at what is really in the hearts and minds of most people.

They live in a bubble with other top managers. They get pressure from progressive groups. Many of these companies are in places like New York City where they may never hear a conservative voice. And many others are run by Europeans.

And as you say, some don't know their customers and aren't like their customers.

Classic case is New Coke. It was one of Roberto Guizetto's failures, but he recovered quickly from it. The decision was made by a Cuban, Mexican, Australian and a Yankee from northern Indiana, which is Pepsi country. Nobody who was from the core of their business in the South where Coke is the word for a carbonated beverage. Instead, they were trying to make it taste more like Pepsi.

Coca Cola
Invented by Lt. Col. John S. Pemberton, CSA

Have a Coke and a smile
.

This need to be spread

"Coca Cola
Invented by Lt. Col. John S. Pemberton, CSA"

WHAT! I'll never buy a Coke again. Dang rebels.

No more Cuba Libres for me. Kidddiiiinng

(01-31-2021 11:41 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I just read the Sephora post about how they cut ties with one of their models because they are conservative and they likely supported Trump.

It reminded me of the post a few days back about the Superbowl ads not filling up etc... and other recent articles about cancel culture cutting ties with conservative views.

It makes me truly wonder what the motivation and end game is with these companies and businesses? If anyone saw the Michael Jordan series, he was criticized for not making political statements (as an endorser of Nike) and he said something along the lines of "Republicans buy shoes too".


These businesses are drawing a line in the sand that basically cuts their potential business in half before they even open their door? They are cutting their nose to spite their face in a big, big way.

How long will it take and what significant event is going to stop/change this? My guess is that it will take one major business failure tied to this decision of pandering to one side over the other. Covid has already claimed some significant businesses, but that is easy to comprehend... what happens when the closure if directly tied to a social justice decision. Sephora is childs play in terms of major business, but what happens if becomes a place like Target, or Walmart? How about Anheuser Bush or Chevrolet?

Republicans buy stuff.... what happens if they stop buying stuff in revolt of this new cancel culture? These people are underestimating 160M opposing voices who may finally decide to take their ball and go home after being kicked over and over again for nothing more than free thinking?

Your already seeing some brands pulling back. Target has said it will end ALL political contributions. The NBA has stated publicly it will back off the most blatant on court BLM branding. I think it will only take one or two effective conservative grass roots boycotts for EVERY corporate board room to get the message.

It’s too late for the nba. They ticked off everyone who was not Already on the BLM bandwagon.

That China thing killed them and BLM buried them.


I hope the NBA gets everything it deserves out of this..... unfortunately Lebrun has already made enough money. I wish he got the biggest shaft but he won’t.