Write a review. Not many to go on here if somebody read these

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/wil...05/reviews

(01-28-2021 05:04 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  

(01-28-2021 04:11 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-28-2021 03:25 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  My guess is we'll see a divide into the haves/have nots. The haves will see a boost in admissions, but I could see a lot of smaller colleges that rely less on name brand and more on getting high schoolers to tour struggle. A lot of small schools are hurting financially, and may not be able to offer the same aid packages they used to, as well

Lots of small schools with low name recognition, small endowments, poor graduation rates, high dependence on student aid, etc. will go out of business. Can parents in VA really support Radford, Hollins, Bridgeport, Longwood, etc?

Not familiar with Bridgeport? Where is that? Some schools will go away. But some of those were already in trouble pre-pandemic and pre-nation financial crisis.

Sorry- I meant Bridgewater, not Bridgeport. Guess that proves my point.

(01-27-2021 05:57 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Excellent .


William & Mary receives record number of applications for Class of 2025


https://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2021/wil...f-2025.php


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And looks like those who enroll will be paying student activity fees.

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/gener...-up-peons/

(01-28-2021 02:28 PM)leemichael2 Wrote:  Also a part of it is the acceptance rate which has been creeping up lately is now 38% I believe. It used to be in 32%-34% relatively recently. The yield has been dropping for the out of state students because W&M cannot meet all the financial needs of many of these students. The number of applicants has been relatively flat for a number of years and W&M has had to admit more students to fill the class due to lack of scholarship money which has lowered the yield. The acceptance rate should drop meaning W&M will be more selective with the higher number of applicants which should help to improve the rankings.

yes I have also noticed our acceptance rate increasing, which is not good. Almost every year W&M celebrates "record application numbers" which SHOULD result in a lower acceptance rate... but it doesn't. Your explanation makes sense as to why it is this way.

(01-29-2021 08:01 AM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 05:57 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Excellent .


William & Mary receives record number of applications for Class of 2025


https://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2021/wil...f-2025.php


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And looks like those who enroll will be paying student activity fees.

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/gener...-up-peons/

I didn't realize that WM has the fifth highest student athletic fees in the country, at nearly $2,000 per year per student. (referenced in the cited piece, and confirmed per this source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/h...s-n1145171)

That is completely absurd. I would have guessed half that. And frankly, if students have to pay that much to keep all our programs going, we should be cutting sports (unless they can completely fund themselves through private donations).

Also, no one on here can complain about students not showing up to games (especially when we're talking about a below .500 football team playing in the minor leagues). Every single one of them is doing more than their fair share to support the athletic department already solely through these absurd student fees.

Almost every college has athletic fees...many hide parts of them in other fees but W&M does not. Nobody should be surprised...
these fees have been around for fifty years and will continue for fifty years. You should also figure in that our fee covers 23 sports plus
a major intramural program. Nor many colleges, especially ones the student size of W&M, are supporting that many sports for the benefit of their students...plus you realize that many generate no gate revenue to support them. We have to support more sports
than many "Power Five" universities that have far fewer.

Look what took place when we attempted to cut seven last year--a major student and alum outcry for seven sports that are supported
with no revenue by the athletic department that forced their reinstatement.

We'd have no sports or intramurals, nor would many other schools, without the student athletic fees.

I don't think the students athletic fee covers intramurals, and that it's part of the general activities fee. Intramurals are funded/run through the rec, not Tribe Athletics

That said, a lot of that list comes down to accounting. Different schools definitely record rtheir fees differently, I'm pretty sure a lot of the schools with 0 fees still rely on students to help cover the cost of athletics

(02-01-2021 09:07 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I don't think the students athletic fee covers intramurals, and that it's part of the general activities fee. Intramurals are funded/run through the rec, not Tribe Athletics

That said, a lot of that list comes down to accounting. Different schools definitely record rtheir fees differently, I'm pretty sure a lot of the schools with 0 fees still rely on students to help cover the cost of athletics

Correct. There are so few schools that do not financially support athletics in some way. Whether it is transparently listed as a student fee, or not, there is money flowing in that direction. And, for good reason. Athletic departments, the student athletes and their alums matter.

I have no objection to a general student fee for athletics (although I certainly understand how many might). My objection is to us having the fifth-highest such fee in the country at nearly $2,000, which is an absurd amount. If this is just a measure of accounting and we are no higher than anyone else, that puts it in a slightly different light, but that is just conjecture with no real evidence. And $2,000 per year is incredibly onerous for many students (imagine knocking $8,000 off the student loans of every person who graduates).

And we don't "have" to sponsor 23 sports, more than the vast majority of schools. That is a choice. It is one with legitimate arguments on both sides, but if we're bleeding our students dry to do so, that's alarming and does not at all seem worth it to me.

(02-01-2021 11:46 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  I have no objection to a general student fee for athletics (although I certainly understand how many might). My objection is to us having the fifth-highest such fee in the country at nearly $2,000, which is an absurd amount. If this is just a measure of accounting and we are no higher than anyone else, that puts it in a slightly different light, but that is just conjecture with no real evidence. And $2,000 per year is incredibly onerous for many students (imagine knocking $8,000 off the student loans of every person who graduates).

And we don't "have" to sponsor 23 sports, more than the vast majority of schools. That is a choice. It is one with legitimate arguments on both sides, but if we're bleeding our students dry to do so, that's alarming and does not at all seem worth it to me.

So what's the right number if $2000 is too much?

FWIW, I paid right around $2000 for both semesters combined in tuition about 40 years ago.

I attended Hofstra from 2003 to 2007, and they didn't have many fees. Four fees combined to be $515 per semester, and a $65 "student activity fee" sounds the closest to athletics, but I'm not saying it was for athletics. The same tuition can sound better as a lump sum than listing fees separately because it can make students feel like they are wasting money on non-essential (to them) things.

(01-28-2021 09:48 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-28-2021 09:07 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  

(01-28-2021 08:53 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(01-27-2021 05:57 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Excellent .

William & Mary receives record number of applications for Class of 2025

https://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2021/wil...f-2025.php

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Might be the result of our going test optional.

Maybe,They all believe,like everything else in Biden world it will be free,party time

That's pretty much everyone though.

My guess is Virginia seniors are looking to say in Virginia given the pandemic. Or, it could be more students who expect to study online.

It will be interesting to see what our yield is. That is, how many acceptances must we send out to get the 1,600 kids in our freshman class.

Looks like the pre-Huge regime is returning back to the fold. Steve Cole (Asso AD fired by previous administration) has been offered his old job back by JP Martin, and further hires are being negotiated.

That makes a lot of sense. Don't forget that Bobby Dwyer was brought back as an advisor a while back.

This stuff is what pisses me off the most. Really good people were let go for the advancement of one person's professional advancement. William and Mary has a long and proud history and some of the folks who were in the way were some of the most impactful members of the department in the last 35 years. Are we perfect? No. Was it a great group? Yes.

Jeremy Martin is doing a masterful job.

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Steve Cole is exactly the type of person that we want in the athletic department.