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(01-25-2021 01:26 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 11:58 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I might add the last say 4 'revenue sports' hires, I don't think ANYONE got anyone of them correct. Not even how about C.C. from... Or how about Rob Murphy, from Detroit, was an asst at Kent and then Syracuse. Nope.

Rob Murphy - Nope.

C.C - Nope.

Tory Verdi - Nope

Castro - Nope

Unless there is an obvious candidate like English, I'd rather try guessing the lottery.

Yeah i think its a better idea to speculate on the type of guy (alum connected to the program, low level HC, high level asst. etc) then a specific individual
There are only 2 sports that anyone cares about: football and men's basketball, in that order. No one here could pick out Verdi or Castro in a two person lineup.
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(01-25-2021 11:49 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I'm not going to participate in the 6th* (?) annual whom is next for EMU MBB think-a-thon?

Who will be the next EMU MBB HC? I don't know this (best read with SNL's Kate McKinnion's Dr. WeKnowDis accent).

I think I have a better chance of answering other topics like: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? When was the earth created (within +/- 500M years)?

* Sorry guys I've lost track of these threads.

Or we could just bring Rob back to keep going downhill for another year. Let's continue the discussion and please remind the AD it's time for a change.
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I want to feel the same excitement about mens hoops as I do the football program being competitive game day upsets and a program that develops players to get better on the court. Murphy to his credit has done a solid job with
academics and graduation rates.
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(01-25-2021 03:19 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I want to feel the same excitement about mens hoops as I do the football program being competitive game day upsets and a program that develops players to get better on the court. Murphy to his credit has done a solid job with
academics and graduation rates.

I would not consider the Murphy hire as an abject failure. He made the program more relevant than it was when he got here. The Peter Principle has revealed, however, that he has hit his ceiling as .500 MAC coach and offers little from a campus or community engagement standpoint. He refuses to or is bereft of the skills to make marketing efforts build excitement in the program. Thus his shelf life has reached its expiration date.

He will land on his feet elsewhere, either as a head coach at a lower level or as an assistant/scout. We need to let him announce his resignation, it is only fair.
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(01-25-2021 05:02 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 03:19 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I want to feel the same excitement about mens hoops as I do the football program being competitive game day upsets and a program that develops players to get better on the court. Murphy to his credit has done a solid job with
academics and graduation rates.

I would not consider the Murphy hire as an abject failure. He made the program more relevant than it was when he got here. The Peter Principle has revealed, however, that he has hit his ceiling as .500 MAC coach and offers little from a campus or community engagement standpoint. He refuses to or is bereft of the skills to make marketing efforts build excitement in the program. Thus his shelf life has reached its expiration date.

He will land on his feet elsewhere, either as a head coach at a lower level or as an assistant/scout. We need to let him announce his resignation, it is only fair.

Yeah I think hes the second winning-est coach in program history? He's not a bum or anything - he's just ran his course.
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It's definitely time for Murphy to realize that after a decade his coaching and zone defense simply aren't getting it done! He has improved the program slightly! Of the few coaches mentioned they all have a few positives, but it has been almost a quarter of century since we went dancing! EARL BOYKINS if he would take the position has to be the man! Why? If he goes and recruits kids, he can say I went from E Mich and played for a decade in the NBA, we beat Duke, we played in the NCAA tournament, my name is in the rafters! These kids weren't even living who he will be recruiting! He can make them believe it's possible at E Michigan, not one other person can say those things, and sell that success! Derrick Dial as an assistant coach? That's my opinion!
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(01-26-2021 11:38 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  It's definitely time for Murphy to realize that after a decade his coaching and zone defense simply aren't getting it done! He has improved the program slightly! Of the few coaches mentioned they all have a few positives, but it has been almost a quarter of century since we went dancing! EARL BOYKINS if he would take the position has to be the man! Why? If he goes and recruits kids, he can say I went from E Mich and played for a decade in the NBA, we beat Duke, we played in the NCAA tournament, my name is in the rafters! These kids weren't even living who he will be recruiting! He can make them believe it's possible at E Michigan, not one other person can say those things, and sell that success! Derrick Dial as an assistant coach? That's my opinion!

So I think I would disagree that he's 'improved the program slightly'.

Murph is 164–149 at EMU. The two coaches before him were Charles Ramsey (68–118) and Jim Boone (48–96). Thats 116-214 in the 11 years prior to him showing up.

I'm not saying he hasnt underachieved. I'm not saying that the level of success hes had in recent years is acceptable. I am saying that he helped stabilize a program that was one of the worst in the conference for over a decade and honestly that's pretty good. He'll be in the athletics hall of fame some day - as he should be.

I also think its a little insane to assume that Earl Boykins and Derrick Dial would be able to recruit on name recognition. Today's recruits were born in 2005. Dial last played in the NBA in 04. Grant Long's last game in the NBA was 03. Boykins retired in 2012.
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(01-26-2021 12:21 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(01-26-2021 11:38 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  It's definitely time for Murphy to realize that after a decade his coaching and zone defense simply aren't getting it done! He has improved the program slightly! Of the few coaches mentioned they all have a few positives, but it has been almost a quarter of century since we went dancing! EARL BOYKINS if he would take the position has to be the man! Why? If he goes and recruits kids, he can say I went from E Mich and played for a decade in the NBA, we beat Duke, we played in the NCAA tournament, my name is in the rafters! These kids weren't even living who he will be recruiting! He can make them believe it's possible at E Michigan, not one other person can say those things, and sell that success! Derrick Dial as an assistant coach? That's my opinion!

So I think I would disagree that he's 'improved the program slightly'.

Murph is 164–149 at EMU. The two coaches before him were Charles Ramsey (68–118) and Jim Boone (48–96). Thats 116-214 in the 11 years prior to him showing up.

I'm not saying he hasnt underachieved. I'm not saying that the level of success hes had in recent years is acceptable. I am saying that he helped stabilize a program that was one of the worst in the conference for over a decade and honestly that's pretty good. He'll be in the athletics hall of fame some day - as he should be.

I also think its a little insane to assume that Earl Boykins and Derrick Dial would be able to recruit on name recognition. Today's recruits were born in 2005. Dial last played in the NBA in 04. Grant Long's last game in the NBA was 03. Boykins retired in 2012.
It's the success they both had, it's they won MAC championships, played in the NCAA tournament, both played in the NBA! Beat Duke! It has been so long, they can explain what can happen! Bowler has Zero of that! He's a good JUCO coach! We can agree to disagree, because I don't see either one of them coming to E Mich! 24 years of not winning a championship is a tough sell! Especially when other MAC schools have excelled that were struggling in the past decade!
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I think we all would LOVE to see an ex EMU guy named as the next head coach. That said consider this:

Lester, a former WMU QB took over a loaded program from PJ Fleck and made it mediocre.

Look at Toledo's football coaches over the past 40 years. Nick Saban, Matt Campbell, Gary Pinkel, etc... moved on to higher profile jobs. Only two did not and both were former Rocket players.

Bono at CMU? Need I say more.

In the interview scoring process, EMU experience deserves a certain amount of points but it certainly cannot be a determining factor.
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I’m not convinced on Earl or John. Sorry guys. I love them as alums and contributors to our past successes (especially Earl), but it’s more important to me to hire the right guy. I don’t care where he went to school.
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(01-26-2021 07:19 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I’m not convinced on Earl or John. Sorry guys. I love them as alums and contributors to our past successes (especially Earl), but it’s more important to me to hire the right guy. I don’t care where he went to school.

Amen. As with our players, I don’t care where the coach is from as long as he is quality. And I DEFINITELY don’t care if he can make recruiting in-roads in this area or not. It’s 2021. Recruiting is national now, even at our level, as Murphy has showed. Give me a coach that finds talent and can coach them up. I’ll be fine if he leaves us for a better gig if it means putting a solid foundation in place for the next guy. That’s the MAC reality at the end of the day.
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Juwann Howard-Michigan, Matt Painter-Purdue, Penny Hardaway-Memphis, Ray McCallum-Ball State, Chris Mullin-St. John's, Patrick Ewing-Georgetown, Clyde Drexler-Houston. If you have an iconic alum who is qualified (Earl Boykins), they get pushed to the front of the line. If you can't take pride in your program's legacy, how are you going to expect that from an outsider?
Hire. Earl. Now.
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Imagine listing Chris Mullin and Patrick Ewing as examples of why we should hire a popular alum to be our coach. Both were/are coaching disasters at their respective schools. Thank god you aren’t our AD, Bob.
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(01-27-2021 07:57 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Juwann Howard-Michigan, Matt Painter-Purdue, Penny Hardaway-Memphis, Ray McCallum-Ball State, Chris Mullin-St. John's, Patrick Ewing-Georgetown, Clyde Drexler-Houston. If you have an iconic alum who is qualified (Earl Boykins), they get pushed to the front of the line. If you can't take pride in your program's legacy, how are you going to expect that from an outsider?
Hire. Earl. Now.

Are you the one who wanted to hire a 2-win FCS EMU alum over C.C. last time up? 03-banghead
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(01-27-2021 07:57 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Juwann Howard-Michigan, Matt Painter-Purdue, Penny Hardaway-Memphis, Ray McCallum-Ball State, Chris Mullin-St. John's, Patrick Ewing-Georgetown, Clyde Drexler-Houston. If you have an iconic alum who is qualified (Earl Boykins), they get pushed to the front of the line. If you can't take pride in your program's legacy, how are you going to expect that from an outsider?
Hire. Earl. Now.

Chris Mullin got fired because he couldnt get the job done. Drexler also failed as a coach.

Matt Painter was an assistant for 12 years at different schools before he got the purdue job. Howard was an NBA assistant for 6 years before he got the Michigan job. Penny Hardaway was a high regarded HS coach in Memphis before he got the Memphis job.

Boykins only coaching experience is as a HS coach in suburban Colorado and he's currently the Director of Student Athlete Development at Arkansas:
https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/support-s...l-boykins/

His resume isn't even close to anyone you listed. Get a good coach - not a name.
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(01-27-2021 08:10 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Imagine listing Chris Mullin and Patrick Ewing as examples of why we should hire a popular alum to be our coach. Both were/are coaching disasters at their respective schools. Thank god you aren’t our AD, Bob.
I seem to recall Mullin bringing St. John's back from the dead and getting them in the NCAA tournament and Ewing inherited a mess when he took over the Georgetown program and he certainly isn't finished rebuilding. I know, let's wait TEN YEARS before calling his tenure a "coaching disaster!" The relative success of the coaches I listed isn't even the damn point. There are no guarantees that a successful alum is going to have success but at least have the balls to try. Because right now, maybe 20 people give a flying f*** about EMU basketball and you aren't going to regain fans by hiring Joe Ballsack from a local DII program or some anonymous assistant from a mediocre P5 program. Earl. Boykins. Now.
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(01-27-2021 08:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 07:57 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Juwann Howard-Michigan, Matt Painter-Purdue, Penny Hardaway-Memphis, Ray McCallum-Ball State, Chris Mullin-St. John's, Patrick Ewing-Georgetown, Clyde Drexler-Houston. If you have an iconic alum who is qualified (Earl Boykins), they get pushed to the front of the line. If you can't take pride in your program's legacy, how are you going to expect that from an outsider?
Hire. Earl. Now.

Chris Mullin got fired because he couldnt get the job done. Drexler also failed as a coach.

Matt Painter was an assistant for 12 years at different schools before he got the purdue job. Howard was an NBA assistant for 6 years before he got the Michigan job. Penny Hardaway was a high regarded HS coach in Memphis before he got the Memphis job.

Boykins only coaching experience is as a HS coach in suburban Colorado and he's currently the Director of Student Athlete Development at Arkansas:
https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/support-s...l-boykins/

His resume isn't even close to anyone you listed. Get a good coach - not a name.
Mullin did not get fired.
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(01-27-2021 09:16 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 08:10 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Imagine listing Chris Mullin and Patrick Ewing as examples of why we should hire a popular alum to be our coach. Both were/are coaching disasters at their respective schools. Thank god you aren’t our AD, Bob.
I seem to recall Mullin bringing St. John's back from the dead and getting them in the NCAA tournament and Ewing inherited a mess when he took over the Georgetown program and he certainly isn't finished rebuilding. I know, let's wait TEN YEARS before calling his tenure a "coaching disaster!" The relative success of the coaches I listed isn't even the damn point. There are no guarantees that a successful alum is going to have success but at least have the balls to try. Because right now, maybe 20 people give a flying f*** about EMU basketball and you aren't going to regain fans by hiring Joe Ballsack from a local DII program or some anonymous assistant from a mediocre P5 program. Earl. Boykins. Now.

Boykins isn’t qualified.

Coaching hires don’t win fans back. Winning programs do. Hire a guy who has shown he can build a top team at a lower level, like Chris Creighton did, and get this damn program back to where it should be.
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(01-27-2021 09:17 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 08:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 07:57 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Juwann Howard-Michigan, Matt Painter-Purdue, Penny Hardaway-Memphis, Ray McCallum-Ball State, Chris Mullin-St. John's, Patrick Ewing-Georgetown, Clyde Drexler-Houston. If you have an iconic alum who is qualified (Earl Boykins), they get pushed to the front of the line. If you can't take pride in your program's legacy, how are you going to expect that from an outsider?
Hire. Earl. Now.

Chris Mullin got fired because he couldnt get the job done. Drexler also failed as a coach.

Matt Painter was an assistant for 12 years at different schools before he got the purdue job. Howard was an NBA assistant for 6 years before he got the Michigan job. Penny Hardaway was a high regarded HS coach in Memphis before he got the Memphis job.

Boykins only coaching experience is as a HS coach in suburban Colorado and he's currently the Director of Student Athlete Development at Arkansas:
https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/support-s...l-boykins/

His resume isn't even close to anyone you listed. Get a good coach - not a name.
Mullin did not get fired.

He resigned with a 20 - 52 conference record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Mullin
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(01-28-2021 12:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 09:17 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 08:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 07:57 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Juwann Howard-Michigan, Matt Painter-Purdue, Penny Hardaway-Memphis, Ray McCallum-Ball State, Chris Mullin-St. John's, Patrick Ewing-Georgetown, Clyde Drexler-Houston. If you have an iconic alum who is qualified (Earl Boykins), they get pushed to the front of the line. If you can't take pride in your program's legacy, how are you going to expect that from an outsider?
Hire. Earl. Now.

Chris Mullin got fired because he couldnt get the job done. Drexler also failed as a coach.

Matt Painter was an assistant for 12 years at different schools before he got the purdue job. Howard was an NBA assistant for 6 years before he got the Michigan job. Penny Hardaway was a high regarded HS coach in Memphis before he got the Memphis job.

Boykins only coaching experience is as a HS coach in suburban Colorado and he's currently the Director of Student Athlete Development at Arkansas:
https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/support-s...l-boykins/

His resume isn't even close to anyone you listed. Get a good coach - not a name.
Mullin did not get fired.

He resigned with a 20 - 52 conference record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Mullin

excuse me - i got this one wrong. chris mullin stepped down after the loss of his brother. he went 59–73 in 4 seasons. every other point i made stands. im sure earl boykins is a great dude but he isnt a good fit for this program.
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