(07-25-2021 12:56 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote: I thought this audit was supposed to be clear and transparent? They just banned Ken Bennet, the senate liaison and audit director, from the audit.
I wonder if they didn’t find anything and wanted time to cook the books and Bennett started talking early. Or they just want to drag this out as long as possible, since the audit itself helps further their goals more than any results that can be responded to by the county.
The only thing cooked is your brain from years of inhaling the propaganda. Your a pathetic lackey that has no clue even if the evidence was handed to you on silver platter. No one is blinder than he who won't see.
You're, not your.
You don't know the difference between your and you're, apparently if you want to see a cooked brain you don't have to look further than the mirror.
If you're going to be like that, pretty weak if you ask me, then do it right. You failed to point out all the errors, it should read thus: Your You're a pathetic lackey thatwhohaswould have no clue even if the evidence was handed to you on a silver platter.
Nicely done.
This lackey has been demoralized and doesn’t have one ounce of patriotism in his bones. He wouldn’t even protect his own family if Big Brother comes calling.
Tom says sharpie gate has been debunked. Yet the actual image of the ballot states that not only is it real, it means Maricopa County lied on their website when they said they use "election integrity paper" for the ballots. Had they done that, there would not have been bleed through.
And with the mis-alignment issue during print, bleedthrough will cause wrong votes to be tabulated, and/or ballots to be sent to adjudication.
And here's a little more information, from someone who actually knows what they are talking about, for morons who don't have a grasp of how the ballots are designed and continue to believe lying idiots like failed inventor Jovan Pulitzer. Any bleed through is virtually irrelevant due to ballot design. And even if ballot printing did happen to be off, it would have to be off by a substantial margin to cause an overvote, and nobody affiliated with this "audit" has produced one ballot showing such a huge mistake in print alignment. Further, voters would have been notified of such an overvote when their vote was counted as the machines would have spit them out...in addition to any such overvote effecting nearly every vote on the ballot, not just the presidential race!
(This post was last modified: 07-28-2021 11:38 AM by Redwingtom.)
(07-28-2021 11:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: And here's a little more information, from someone who actually knows what they are talking about, for morons who don't have a grasp of how the ballots are designed and continue to believe lying idiots like failed inventor Jovan Pulitzer. Any bleed through is virtually irrelevant due to ballot design. And even if ballot printing did happen to be off, it would have to be off by a substantial margin to cause an overvote, and nobody affiliated with this "audit" has produced one ballot showing such a huge mistake in print alignment. Further, voters would have been notified of such an overvote when their vote was counted as the machines would have spit them out...in addition to any such overvote effecting nearly every vote on the ballot, not just the presidential race!
The fact that is being established here, and apparently accepted by everyone, is that common office supply paper was used for many ballots rather than the legally required ballot paper stock.
I have a gut feeling that will be more important in the end than the overvote problem. We'll see.
(07-28-2021 10:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: Tom says sharpie gate has been debunked. Yet the actual image of the ballot states that not only is it real, it means Maricopa County lied on their website when they said they use "election integrity paper" for the ballots. Had they done that, there would not have been bleed through.
And with the mis-alignment issue during print, bleedthrough will cause wrong votes to be tabulated, and/or ballots to be sent to adjudication.
Let it play out Tom.
And we know what adjudication means...
The adjudicated ballot and the duplicate ballot better be linked to each other by serial number. This will also allow the audit to ensure the duplicate ballot reflects the choices made by the voter.
I believe the Senate hearing held recently mentioned that they were having issues with adjudicated and duplicated ballots.
Some ballots were not linked by serial number, some serial numbers were not readable, some adjudicated ballots tied by to multiple duplicated ballots...
But yeah, sharpie-gate is over because the MCBOS said so. And we can trust them since they don't want us to investigate their actions.
#AZAudit In addition to the addition subpoenas issued yesterday, this morning
@FannKfann
has filed a FOIA request for all communications from
@SecretaryHobbs
with anyone regarding the Audit and/or litigation it has produced. https://twitter.com/kelliwardaz/status/1...17633?s=20
(07-25-2021 12:56 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote: I thought this audit was supposed to be clear and transparent? They just banned Ken Bennet, the senate liaison and audit director, from the audit.
I wonder if they didn’t find anything and wanted time to cook the books and Bennett started talking early. Or they just want to drag this out as long as possible, since the audit itself helps further their goals more than any results that can be responded to by the county.
The only thing cooked is your brain from years of inhaling the propaganda. Your a pathetic lackey that has no clue even if the evidence was handed to you on silver platter. No one is blinder than he who won't see.
You're, not your.
You don't know the difference between your and you're, apparently if you want to see a cooked brain you don't have to look further than the mirror.
EVERYBODY RUN!!!! IT'S THE GRAMMAR POLICE!!! SHE GONE GIVE US ALL A D.
When you think YOU’RE a superior intellect that may be all you have to validate YOUR superiority.
(07-28-2021 11:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: And here's a little more information, from someone who actually knows what they are talking about, for morons who don't have a grasp of how the ballots are designed and continue to believe lying idiots like failed inventor Jovan Pulitzer. Any bleed through is virtually irrelevant due to ballot design. And even if ballot printing did happen to be off, it would have to be off by a substantial margin to cause an overvote, and nobody affiliated with this "audit" has produced one ballot showing such a huge mistake in print alignment. Further, voters would have been notified of such an overvote when their vote was counted as the machines would have spit them out...in addition to any such overvote effecting nearly every vote on the ballot, not just the presidential race!
The fact that is being established here, and apparently accepted by everyone, is that common office supply paper was used for many ballots rather than the legally required ballot paper stock.
I have a gut feeling that will be more important in the end than the overvote problem. We'll see.
Yeah, I think you're right. Most likely, a few precincts did not have to proper stock...maybe due to demand...so they used unauthorized paper. That being said, I would guess that it doesn't cover many ballots in total.
Regardless, unless the printing was off by a huge margin there's nothing here. Additionally, the in person voting machine counters would throw out overvotes and the voter would get a new ballot.
(07-28-2021 12:02 PM)Eldonabe Wrote: FFS Tom - just let it play out!
Dude, shut the ever loving **** up! Nothing any of us say or do here is going to change the course of this "audit."
I know you don't like hearing from me as to how ****** this charade was, but you just can't ignore reality and live in your fantasy world if you want to exist here.
You're basically saying that no one here can discuss any ongoing issue until it's done.
If you don't like it, put me on ignore and stop responding to me.
Quote:PHOENIX – Arizona Senate liaison Ken Bennett said Monday that he’s being shut out of the Cyber Ninjas-led audit of the 2020 Maricopa County election, and he raised concerns about the contractors’ lack of transparency.
Bennett has been the audit’s most prominent public face since it started April 23, but his future as the Senate’s representative is in doubt with a final report expected in the next month.
“I can only be a part of moving forward and vouching for the final product if … there is transparency in seeing the procedures and things that are going to be used to build that final product,” he told KTAR News 92.3 FM’s The Mike Broomhead Show.
The former Arizona secretary of state has been providing regular media updates as a spokesman for the Senate Republicans who hired Cyber Ninjas and other contractors to recount approximately 2.1 million ballots and inspect voting equipment from the November general election in metro Phoenix.
He said co-liaison Randy Pullen had already taken the lead during the new count, which Bennett thought an independent group should conduct after the Cyber Ninjas’ tally didn’t match the total documented by Maricopa County.
Pullen confirmed to KTAR News 92.3 FM on Monday that Bennett no longer has access to the Wesley Bolin Building at the fairgrounds, where the last recount is happening, but he’s still the audit liaison.
The auditors have refused to reveal their procedures for the latest count, Bennett said, leaving him “very concerned” they would “force balance” in the direction of their earlier findings.
Because of his concerns, he consulted with an outside group that has been researching the election independently of the audit and had offered assistance.
“Indirectly, I allowed some information that was supposed to be private to get out,” Bennett said. “He leaked it to the press, and I felt bad about that. Obviously Mr. Pullen and maybe the Senate and others were upset. And so that’s why I was denied access.”
Bennett said it’s not the first time the Cyber Ninjas have withheld procedural information from him, but he hopes things can be worked out so he can continue as liaison until the end of the process.
“I just cannot function as the liaison with those kinds of hide-the-ball-from-me stuff,” he said. “But I’m working with (Senate) President (Karen) Fann, and if we can get those kinds of things worked out, I want to see this audit through to success.
“And success to me is the facts. Election integrity is not about whether or not Donald Trump won an election. Election integrity is about, did we get the election right? And that’s what I’m focused on.”
The linked article has so many holes in it.
I don't see where it mentioned Bennett violating the NDA. That may have something to do with supposed lack of transparency.
I doubt they're hiding their procedures given that the court ruled they had to make their procedures public. I would think if they are withholding additional procedures there would be a lawsuit filed.
As to whether or not the final reconciliatory count should be performed by a 3rd party, Cyber Ninjas is the 3rd party. At least, that's what they've been called by the MCBOS.
Again, we'll see. But using someone who violated their NDA as a source doesn't seem to be the best basis for a story. That is, unless you're trying to cast doubt on the entire forensic audit process and its results.
But why would the MCBOS and leftist media try to do that? I mean, if they are it's not working.
If they weren't hiding their procedures the court wouldn't have to tell them to make them public.
You guys said this audit was more transparent than the election count, but the election count had observers from both parties and no NDAs.
Why would you need an NDA when performing a service for the state government if you have nothing to hide about your "audit".
Key election areas were purposely lacking proper oversight. Fulton county being one. Many others have affidavits filed under penalty of perjury questioning the counting of ballots.
For years the governments, both local and federal, have ignored these irregularities. Thus setting a very real precedent of lazy ass oversight by officials and courts. None have the balls to do something about it.
(07-27-2021 03:29 PM)umbluegray Wrote: The linked article has so many holes in it.
I don't see where it mentioned Bennett violating the NDA. That may have something to do with supposed lack of transparency.
I doubt they're hiding their procedures given that the court ruled they had to make their procedures public. I would think if they are withholding additional procedures there would be a lawsuit filed.
As to whether or not the final reconciliatory count should be performed by a 3rd party, Cyber Ninjas is the 3rd party. At least, that's what they've been called by the MCBOS.
Again, we'll see. But using someone who violated their NDA as a source doesn't seem to be the best basis for a story. That is, unless you're trying to cast doubt on the entire forensic audit process and its results.
But why would the MCBOS and leftist media try to do that? I mean, if they are it's not working.
If they weren't hiding their procedures the court wouldn't have to tell them to make them public.
You guys said this audit was more transparent than the election count, but the election count had observers from both parties and no NDAs.
Why would you need an NDA when performing a service for the state government if you have nothing to hide about your "audit".
Elvis this might help you understand about the NDA.
It is irresponsible to disclose partial information to the media since they are not “confirmed” facts until the audit is final. This only leads to confusion and misinformation with the public. For that reason, it is imperative anyone working with the audit is required to adhere to the rules of not disclosing unconfirmed information.
74k mail in votes with no record of being mailed turned out to be BS.
Nope. 74K mail in votes with no record of being requested is correct. Under the current procedures the county has handed over, this should not be the case. The audit is asking the county to explain and show them in the procedures how this could have occurred. The county is refusing.
By putting the BS tag on this now allows the idiot army to later say “that has already even proven to be BS!”. We are fighting some pathological evil people who will keep lying even when the truth is revealed.
Quote:PHOENIX – Arizona Senate liaison Ken Bennett said Monday that he’s being shut out of the Cyber Ninjas-led audit of the 2020 Maricopa County election, and he raised concerns about the contractors’ lack of transparency.
Bennett has been the audit’s most prominent public face since it started April 23, but his future as the Senate’s representative is in doubt with a final report expected in the next month.
“I can only be a part of moving forward and vouching for the final product if … there is transparency in seeing the procedures and things that are going to be used to build that final product,” he told KTAR News 92.3 FM’s The Mike Broomhead Show.
The former Arizona secretary of state has been providing regular media updates as a spokesman for the Senate Republicans who hired Cyber Ninjas and other contractors to recount approximately 2.1 million ballots and inspect voting equipment from the November general election in metro Phoenix.
He said co-liaison Randy Pullen had already taken the lead during the new count, which Bennett thought an independent group should conduct after the Cyber Ninjas’ tally didn’t match the total documented by Maricopa County.
Pullen confirmed to KTAR News 92.3 FM on Monday that Bennett no longer has access to the Wesley Bolin Building at the fairgrounds, where the last recount is happening, but he’s still the audit liaison.
The auditors have refused to reveal their procedures for the latest count, Bennett said, leaving him “very concerned” they would “force balance” in the direction of their earlier findings.
Because of his concerns, he consulted with an outside group that has been researching the election independently of the audit and had offered assistance.
“Indirectly, I allowed some information that was supposed to be private to get out,” Bennett said. “He leaked it to the press, and I felt bad about that. Obviously Mr. Pullen and maybe the Senate and others were upset. And so that’s why I was denied access.”
Bennett said it’s not the first time the Cyber Ninjas have withheld procedural information from him, but he hopes things can be worked out so he can continue as liaison until the end of the process.
“I just cannot function as the liaison with those kinds of hide-the-ball-from-me stuff,” he said. “But I’m working with (Senate) President (Karen) Fann, and if we can get those kinds of things worked out, I want to see this audit through to success.
“And success to me is the facts. Election integrity is not about whether or not Donald Trump won an election. Election integrity is about, did we get the election right? And that’s what I’m focused on.”
The linked article has so many holes in it.
I don't see where it mentioned Bennett violating the NDA. That may have something to do with supposed lack of transparency.
I doubt they're hiding their procedures given that the court ruled they had to make their procedures public. I would think if they are withholding additional procedures there would be a lawsuit filed.
As to whether or not the final reconciliatory count should be performed by a 3rd party, Cyber Ninjas is the 3rd party. At least, that's what they've been called by the MCBOS.
Again, we'll see. But using someone who violated their NDA as a source doesn't seem to be the best basis for a story. That is, unless you're trying to cast doubt on the entire forensic audit process and its results.
But why would the MCBOS and leftist media try to do that? I mean, if they are it's not working.
If they weren't hiding their procedures the court wouldn't have to tell them to make them public.
You guys said this audit was more transparent than the election count, but the election count had observers from both parties and no NDAs.
Why would you need an NDA when performing a service for the state government if you have nothing to hide about your "audit".
Key election areas were purposely lacking proper oversight. Fulton county being one. Many others have affidavits filed under penalty of perjury questioning the counting of ballots.
For years the governments, both local and federal, have ignored these irregularities. Thus setting a very real precedent of lazy ass oversight by officials and courts. None have the balls to do something about it.
This is true. And it wasn't just in Fulton County, Georgia. In fact, for those who watched any of the special hearings we were able to watch first-hand sworn testimony of witnesses -- election workers -- who submitted legal affidavits detailing the irregularities at the polls and election offices.
To flippantly deny 1,000's of sworn affidavits means you're picking your side based on personal reasons rather than facts.
This has been debunked months ago...and numerous times.
Jay Sekulow?
Because the people being investigated say so…..
OK.
You got it... the bank officer being investigate for embezzlement says he didn't do it, so we have no choice to believe him. Stop the investigation and leave him alone!
This has been debunked months ago...and numerous times.
Jay Sekulow?
Because the people being investigated say so…..
OK.
RWT... you laugh at Jay Sekulow. Please share your credentials which would convince us that you and your observations should be respected more than his.
(07-28-2021 12:02 PM)Eldonabe Wrote: FFS Tom - just let it play out!
Dude, shut the ever loving **** up! Nothing any of us say or do here is going to change the course of this "audit."
I know you don't like hearing from me as to how ****** this charade was, but you just can't ignore reality and live in your fantasy world if you want to exist here.
You're basically saying that no one here can discuss any ongoing issue until it's done.
If you don't like it, put me on ignore and stop responding to me.
Moronic.
Dude - you respond TO JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE post here that may be negative to what you want to come out of this Audit. You refute or excuse everything.
Why don't you stop responding and STFU as well. Just have a cocktail and let it play out man.... maybe fire up a bowl while you are at it.
I am not making excuses here. I don't want there to be fraud or a significant miscount. All hell will break loose if they come out with that as a finding. That said I do want to know if any of it is true as well.
The people being asked questions and serve subpoenas are pushing back awful hard for people who have nothing to hide. That is enough for me to want to see TF is going on there and other places.
I don't want Trump in office either; however, it may now be worth it just to watch you blow your brains out if it happens again.
