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RE: The end of the Republican alliance
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(01-18-2021 10:48 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Fake Election!


Keep believing it if you want.

Keep claiming that and people will think that you are crazy. 01-wingedeagle

And my guess is that when it is all said and done, saying the election was "fake" will be more accurate than saying "the election was the most secure election in history." My belief is neither is true and the truth lies somewhere in between. Given the tightness of the election in a handful or swing states upon which the election hinged---its not out of the realm of possibility that the there was enough fraud to change the outcome. In my opinion, until we have a in depth investigative audit of the mail in ballots and their signature verifications we really wont know how secure, accurate, and fraud free the election was or wasnt. I frankly have little doubt there was more fraud than normal in 2020---but I simply have no idea if it was enough to change the outcome.

Similar to the 1960 election, people will be claiming the 2020 election was stolen for 50 years.

Unless there is a deep dive forensic investigation similar to the Warren Commission, yeah. It will be a political meme that the 2020 election was sketchy at the very least. Hell--even with the Warren Commission, many still believe they reached the wrong conclusions on Kennedy. For instance, I actually saw a really interesting documentary that makes an excellent case for the fatal bullet having been an incredibly unfortunate accidental discharge from a Secret Service weapon in the chase car. If you look at some of the missing evidence and the people who were last seen holding that evidence....it does kinda make more sense that there was a simple CYA component at work rather than some massive conspiracy plot.

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RE: The end of the Republican alliance
(01-18-2021 01:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
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(01-18-2021 10:48 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 10:01 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what's the point of making 75 million people love you when you cause 81 million people to hate you?

Fake Election!


Keep believing it if you want.

Keep claiming that and people will think that you are crazy. 01-wingedeagle

The vast majority of Republicans, and healthy percentages of both Independents and Democrats think there was election tampering.

Keep denying and people will know you're either crazy or crooked.

Kinda like the entire 4 years the left, their media and their sheep pushed Russia Gate. Eventually, the facts came out and proved all of them wrong and conservatives correct.
This falls under of the category of trying to piss on us and tell us its raining. When the polling places in the swing states all close down between 11PM Eastern and Midnight and suddenly and inexplicably stop counting (so they can bring in enough fake absentee ballots to overcome what were deficits at the time the counting was stopped) and then the previously counted vote tallies are changed by the machines, and then the SOB's tell us there is no fraud it just infuriates the public. Every damn body knows there was fraud. Dems laugh about it and joke about it when they think they are only with buds, the Republicans know a steal when they see one because there was nothing covert about it. It was right out there for everyone to see.

It's the biggest damned disgrace in the history of elections in the United States but because this is what the corporate overlords wanted then the turncoat republicans and the democrats in Congress will all turn a blind eye because they know where their campaign funds come from, and it sure as hell isn't the citizens.

I've never in my life seen a bunch of socialists so stupid that they think doing the bidding of fascists is going to end well for them. And these rubes who think Abrams and Cortez are for the poor are imbeciles. Just like their Republican counterparts they get to live large for selling out their voters.

No, it falls into the category of it raining and you trying to convince everyone that someone is pissing on you. It's crazy. Y'all sound crazy.
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RE: The end of the Republican alliance
(01-18-2021 02:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(01-18-2021 11:32 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 11:20 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 10:48 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Fake Election!


Keep believing it if you want.

Keep claiming that and people will think that you are crazy. 01-wingedeagle

And my guess is that when it is all said and done, saying the election was "fake" will be more accurate than saying "the election was the most secure election in history." My belief is neither is true and the truth lies somewhere in between. Given the tightness of the election in a handful or swing states upon which the election hinged---its not out of the realm of possibility that the there was enough fraud to change the outcome. In my opinion, until we have a in depth investigative audit of the mail in ballots and their signature verifications we really wont know how secure, accurate, and fraud free the election was or wasnt. I frankly have little doubt there was more fraud than normal in 2020---but I simply have no idea if it was enough to change the outcome.

Similar to the 1960 election, people will be claiming the 2020 election was stolen for 50 years.

Unless there is a deep dive forensic investigation similar to the Warren Commission, yeah. It will be a political meme that the 2020 election was sketchy at the very least. Hell--even with the Warren Commission, many still believe they reached the wrong conclusions on Kennedy. For instance, I actually saw a really interesting documentary that makes an excellent case for the fatal bullet having been an incredibly unfortunate accidental discharge from a Secret Service weapon in the chase car. If you look at some of the missing evidence and the people who were last seen holding that evidence....it does kinda make more sense that there was a simple CYA component at work rather than some massive conspiracy plot.

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(01-18-2021 01:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This falls under of the category of trying to piss on us and tell us its raining. When the polling places in the swing states all close down between 11PM Eastern and Midnight and suddenly and inexplicably stop counting (so they can bring in enough fake absentee ballots to overcome what were deficits at the time the counting was stopped) and then the previously counted vote tallies are changed by the machines, and then the SOB's tell us there is no fraud it just infuriates the public. Every damn body knows there was fraud. Dems laugh about it and joke about it when they think they are only with buds, the Republicans know a steal when they see one because there was nothing covert about it. It was right out there for everyone to see.

It's the biggest damned disgrace in the history of elections in the United States but because this is what the corporate overlords wanted then the turncoat republicans and the democrats in Congress will all turn a blind eye because they know where their campaign funds come from, and it sure as hell isn't the citizens.

I've never in my life seen a bunch of socialists so stupid that they think doing the bidding of fascists is going to end well for them. And these rubes who think Abrams and Cortez are for the poor are imbeciles. Just like their Republican counterparts they get to live large for selling out their voters.

This is the kind of claim that I expect to see in a right wing echo chamber, so I'm not surprised when it is made on this site.

To put it bluntly, this is BS - pure right wing paranoid fantasy. There is absolutely no evidence to support any of this, and absolutely no one is claiming that there is. I get it. Republicans are pissed that their efforts to steal this election by disenfranchising black voters failed. It's a major blow to their egos that a clear majority of Americans don't buy what they're selling, and took to the ballot box in record numbers to throw them out of the White House.

All this goes to show is that the Big Lie technique works - you can fool some of the people all the time. Trump has proven that over and over for the past five years. It's his gift.
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(01-18-2021 10:01 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  what's the point of making 75 million people love you when you cause supposedly 81 million people to hate you?

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(01-19-2021 01:25 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 01:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This falls under of the category of trying to piss on us and tell us its raining. When the polling places in the swing states all close down between 11PM Eastern and Midnight and suddenly and inexplicably stop counting (so they can bring in enough fake absentee ballots to overcome what were deficits at the time the counting was stopped) and then the previously counted vote tallies are changed by the machines, and then the SOB's tell us there is no fraud it just infuriates the public. Every damn body knows there was fraud. Dems laugh about it and joke about it when they think they are only with buds, the Republicans know a steal when they see one because there was nothing covert about it. It was right out there for everyone to see.

It's the biggest damned disgrace in the history of elections in the United States but because this is what the corporate overlords wanted then the turncoat republicans and the democrats in Congress will all turn a blind eye because they know where their campaign funds come from, and it sure as hell isn't the citizens.

I've never in my life seen a bunch of socialists so stupid that they think doing the bidding of fascists is going to end well for them. And these rubes who think Abrams and Cortez are for the poor are imbeciles. Just like their Republican counterparts they get to live large for selling out their voters.

This is the kind of claim that I expect to see in a right wing echo chamber, so I'm not surprised when it is made on this site.

To put it bluntly, this is BS - pure right wing paranoid fantasy. There is absolutely no evidence to support any of this, and absolutely no one is claiming that there is. I get it. Republicans are pissed that their efforts to steal this election by disenfranchising black voters failed. It's a major blow to their egos that a clear majority of Americans don't buy what they're selling, and took to the ballot box in record numbers to throw them out of the White House.

All this goes to show is that the Big Lie technique works - you can fool some of the people all the time. Trump has proven that over and over for the past five years. It's his gift.

You keep believing the Main Stream Media. I believe what I see, and people in places I've known along time who have access to information that is not overtly edited or outright falsified or unreported. The Big Lie technique is all you have correct, but it is being wielded by the left oriented corporate media. And if you weren't a member of a demographic that contained a lot of draft dodging left leaning academic pseudo intellectuals with no real world experience I'd castigate your misapprehensions more harshly. But, I've known so many of your ilk, including one Ivy trained family member we are having to support now because of his dumb*** beliefs and his sense of privilege has left him useless to society. and his age beyond further corporate interest.

This was the single most destructive hit our Republic has taken and everyone trained to observe and think for themselves realized it the moment it happened and didn't need a tweet from Trump to know both how (which was not hidden) and why it took place.

If our society falls from within due to discord sewn by the "social activists' on state payrolls on college campuses, the ensuing casualties are on your hypocritical ass and not mine. I spent many years of my life building community by focusing on common needs and interests, not sewing frigging diversity which only focuses on differences and only sews anger and hate. The root of that word is "divide" so you figure it out. It's whackos like you who give to a charity and think you've accomplished something and then apologize for their own privilege by forcing mistrust and hatred on everyone else. Your ilk is among the most detestable and destructive human beings on earth. You neither see or acknowledge your own faults and you deign to assign to others the need to atone for all of the worlds sins including your own internal faults which you deny. You produce nothing, expect to paid for it, expect a COLA to derive from it, and sew nothing productive.

I can live with and work with people on the left who are looking and working for their on enfranchisement and progress and who have lived with legitimate grievances, what I can't tolerate are self righteous old Boomers who feel they justify themselves and their past actions or lack thereof by instructing the young to fight for their failed causes instead of the real issues that confront them, like only corporate jobs, low pay, lack of benefits, and jobs going to slave labor sweatshops in China so that the Corporations that fund your Universities and pay for its professors' speaking opportunities, can abuse them. Of course academics support it because they are kept living fat in a University town once they've stopped poisoning minds by instructing. And unless you are STEM I have no respect for degrees either.

And that's how I feel about it and nothing you think, or why you think it, will impact me Ken because I've been in the frontlines and know by what I've seen and done and I know the way things really are, and it's not what some 20 year old air headed POS grad from State U's journalism school says on Corporate TV, or some hack reporter puts in the local newspaper, which is owned by BH Media or another corporate conglomerate, puts in print. You do know that every page of local newspapers owned by these corporations is sent to a corporate location to be edited for content impacting the corporation right?

You should get out of your bubble and into your community to do some pro bono work with those who actually suffer. It might change your perspective and you are never to old to do so.

The truth is out there agent Mulder, but you won't find it on the Tube or in the NYTimes.
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(01-19-2021 01:25 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 01:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This falls under of the category of trying to piss on us and tell us its raining. When the polling places in the swing states all close down between 11PM Eastern and Midnight and suddenly and inexplicably stop counting (so they can bring in enough fake absentee ballots to overcome what were deficits at the time the counting was stopped) and then the previously counted vote tallies are changed by the machines, and then the SOB's tell us there is no fraud it just infuriates the public. Every damn body knows there was fraud. Dems laugh about it and joke about it when they think they are only with buds, the Republicans know a steal when they see one because there was nothing covert about it. It was right out there for everyone to see.

It's the biggest damned disgrace in the history of elections in the United States but because this is what the corporate overlords wanted then the turncoat republicans and the democrats in Congress will all turn a blind eye because they know where their campaign funds come from, and it sure as hell isn't the citizens.

I've never in my life seen a bunch of socialists so stupid that they think doing the bidding of fascists is going to end well for them. And these rubes who think Abrams and Cortez are for the poor are imbeciles. Just like their Republican counterparts they get to live large for selling out their voters.

This is the kind of claim that I expect to see in a right wing echo chamber, so I'm not surprised when it is made on this site.

To put it bluntly, this is BS - pure right wing paranoid fantasy. There is absolutely no evidence to support any of this, and absolutely no one is claiming that there is. I get it. Republicans are pissed that their efforts to steal this election by disenfranchising black voters failed. It's a major blow to their egos that a clear majority of Americans don't buy what they're selling, and took to the ballot box in record numbers to throw them out of the White House.

All this goes to show is that the Big Lie technique works - you can fool some of the people all the time. Trump has proven that over and over for the past five years. It's his gift.

He said without evidence, repeating an even less supported fake news left wing trope that somehow showing up to vote at a polling place disenfranchises voters of color.

Are elementary and high schools also racist because they require attendance? Are DPS offices racist because you need to show up to get your drivers licence? Its simply the an overlay of the even larger long running false narrative that republicans are racist. Neither have any basis in fact what so ever and are essentially similar to using the most inflammatory language possible to denigrate and dehumanize an opponent.
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(01-19-2021 01:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You keep believing the Main Stream Media.

I believe what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears.

I believe people when they tell me they are lying to me. I believe Lindsay Graham when he tells us that we can't believe anything he says, because what he says is "just politics".

I believe Fox when they acknowledge in open court that they lie, and when that they argue under oath that no reasonable person should expect that they are speaking truthfully.

I also don't believe people when I have seen and heard them lie countless times, as Donald Trump has done. Anybody who believes anything that man says is simply a fool - one of those suckers said to be born every minute. And Trump knows that his supporters are suckers - he's counting on it.

I believed Ted Cruz when he said that Trump was nothing but a con man. He was right. I don't believe him now that he has become a gutless bootlicker like most Republican Senators and Congressmen.

I have lived long enough to have witnessed the complete transformation of the Republican Party I was once proud to belong to. What was once the party of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt has deteriorated before my eyes into one where an unprincipled scumbag like Donald Trump is the embodiment of that party.

So you keep believing the conservative media. They'll tell you what you want to believe, and their audience will follow them like sheep. What they won't tell you is the truth.
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"So you keep believing the conservative media. They'll tell you what you want to believe, and their audience will follow them like sheep. What they won't tell you is the truth."

If you think the liberal media is different, shame on you.
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(01-19-2021 01:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You keep believing the Main Stream Media.

I believe what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears.

I believe people when they tell me they are lying to me. I believe Lindsay Graham when he tells us that we can't believe anything he says, because what he says is "just politics".

I believe Fox when they acknowledge in open court that they lie, and when that they argue under oath that no reasonable person should expect that they are speaking truthfully.

I also don't believe people when I have seen and heard them lie countless times, as Donald Trump has done. Anybody who believes anything that man says is simply a fool - one of those suckers said to be born every minute. And Trump knows that his supporters are suckers - he's counting on it.

I believed Ted Cruz when he said that Trump was nothing but a con man. He was right. I don't believe him now that he has become a gutless bootlicker like most Republican Senators and Congressmen.

I have lived long enough to have witnessed the complete transformation of the Republican Party I was once proud to belong to. What was once the party of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt has deteriorated before my eyes into one where an unprincipled scumbag like Donald Trump is the embodiment of that party.

So you keep believing the conservative media. They'll tell you what you want to believe, and their audience will follow them like sheep. What they won't tell you is the truth.

CNN literally was forced to pay damages in court because they willfully and purposely misrepresented that a bunch of under age Catholic kids as racists aggressors.

CNN and the legacy media spent 3 years telling us, without evidence or proof, that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians and that Trump was a Russian plant/spy.

CNN told us Micheal Avanati was an American hero and a strong candidate for the Democrat presidential nomination.

The Mainstream media regularly tells us, without proof, that Republicans are racists.

CNN told us they are unbiased, yet regularly fail to report, misrepresent, and/or twist the Republican point of view.

Thats just a few examples for you.....there are many more.
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(01-19-2021 01:25 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 01:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This falls under of the category of trying to piss on us and tell us its raining. When the polling places in the swing states all close down between 11PM Eastern and Midnight and suddenly and inexplicably stop counting (so they can bring in enough fake absentee ballots to overcome what were deficits at the time the counting was stopped) and then the previously counted vote tallies are changed by the machines, and then the SOB's tell us there is no fraud it just infuriates the public. Every damn body knows there was fraud. Dems laugh about it and joke about it when they think they are only with buds, the Republicans know a steal when they see one because there was nothing covert about it. It was right out there for everyone to see.

It's the biggest damned disgrace in the history of elections in the United States but because this is what the corporate overlords wanted then the turncoat republicans and the democrats in Congress will all turn a blind eye because they know where their campaign funds come from, and it sure as hell isn't the citizens.

I've never in my life seen a bunch of socialists so stupid that they think doing the bidding of fascists is going to end well for them. And these rubes who think Abrams and Cortez are for the poor are imbeciles. Just like their Republican counterparts they get to live large for selling out their voters.

This is the kind of claim that I expect to see in a right wing echo chamber, so I'm not surprised when it is made on this site.

To put it bluntly, this is BS - pure right wing paranoid fantasy. There is absolutely no evidence to support any of this, and absolutely no one is claiming that there is. I get it. Republicans are pissed that their efforts to steal this election by disenfranchising black voters failed. It's a major blow to their egos that a clear majority of Americans don't buy what they're selling, and took to the ballot box in record numbers to throw them out of the White House.

All this goes to show is that the Big Lie technique works - you can fool some of the people all the time. Trump has proven that over and over for the past five years. It's his gift.

You are perfect proof the big lie works. MSM and the Dems keep telling it to you and you believe it. There's nothing particularly controversial about what JR said. The only thing you can question is the extent of the fraud.

Now this Black voter suppression. Another big lie. Did you know that when Stacey Abrams ran for governor of Georgia Black voter suppression was so effective Blacks voted in a HIGHER % than white voters?
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(01-19-2021 02:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 01:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You keep believing the Main Stream Media.

I believe what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears.

I believe people when they tell me they are lying to me. I believe Lindsay Graham when he tells us that we can't believe anything he says, because what he says is "just politics".

I believe Fox when they acknowledge in open court that they lie, and when that they argue under oath that no reasonable person should expect that they are speaking truthfully.

I also don't believe people when I have seen and heard them lie countless times, as Donald Trump has done. Anybody who believes anything that man says is simply a fool - one of those suckers said to be born every minute. And Trump knows that his supporters are suckers - he's counting on it.

I believed Ted Cruz when he said that Trump was nothing but a con man. He was right. I don't believe him now that he has become a gutless bootlicker like most Republican Senators and Congressmen.

I have lived long enough to have witnessed the complete transformation of the Republican Party I was once proud to belong to. What was once the party of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt has deteriorated before my eyes into one where an unprincipled scumbag like Donald Trump is the embodiment of that party.

So you keep believing the conservative media. They'll tell you what you want to believe, and their audience will follow them like sheep. What they won't tell you is the truth.
And as usual you miss the whole point. Where did I once say I believed any media? I said I believe what I see and hear and have the frame of reference to interpret. I've done organizing work. I see all of the leaders out there in those riots and know who is doing it. I didn't organize for any of them, but I used my training to counter organize and prevent them and to instruct common citizens about how to organize for change they needed for real issues in their neighborhoods and not some outsider's political agenda which was ancillary at best to their needs. They trusted each other regardless of race and in spite of past political affiliations.

If we are going to change this mess we have to find the organizing principles in communities, states, and the nation, and the organizing principle is what unites people from diverse backgrounds. This is precisely why Corporations are paying for "Critical Race Theory" and other divisive agendas. They can't maintain such a total power over an elected government if the citizens set the agenda. But then Ken all fascists rule by division.

We can agree on Lincoln and my absolute favorite President was Teddy. He was progressive in the right ways, pushed anti-trust to prevent such monolithic corporate power as that illustrated by the Tech companies over information in this past election, and gave the people the prettiest parts of the nation to enjoy, but in ways where their presence wouldn't spoil much of it. That's what I call foresight!

Since the assassination of JFK the warning of Eisenhower has been sounding truer each year. He didn't fear the Iron Curtain or Cold War, but the rise of the military industrial complex which he rightly foresaw would take us into needless wars for profit's sake. They just happened to be the same corporations backing the Federal Reserve and over the years IBM and Chrysler have been replaced by Microsoft and Apple. The marriage of corporate enterprise and innovation with the military could be used to justify anything and has. But the balance that once still separated sympathetic government from Corporate interests has now been completely eroded by PAC money which buys Corporate cooperation on both sides of the aisle.

Johnson's unabashed sellout to the FED Backers who wanted to compromise SSI for leverage we get Nixon/Agnew/& then Ford. All of them in the pocket of corporate America with Nixon perhaps a little less predictably. Out of the mess of '68 and mistrust due to the progress of a bizarre war, we get Jimmy Carter. He's not Beltway, and he's not Corporate. His own party sabotaged him. In fact what the Republicans did to Trump was very reminiscent of what happened to Carter.. Carter gave us Reagan who was not Corporately influenced but the RNC forced him to choose between H.W. Bush and Ford as a running mate if they were to endorse his nomination. H.W.. was very Patrician and very corporately connected. After Reagan regardless of party we had a steady diet of Corporate first presidents all loosely connected through corporate money and think tanks. Clinton, W., Obama all were of their bent. Trump like a less socially gifted Perot was an anti establishment candidate which is why he won.

Fear of losing to him again led to the largest conspiracy this nation has ever seen to job the American public of their choice. There was no way in hell Corporate America was going to let a populist movement get started. Trump's organizing principle was simple, Washington is corrupt. Well hell, everybody knew that, but he was at least saying it. Trump isn't the issue here. He won because he was the anti Washington candidate in a nation where nobody believes their Government operates fairly with regard to business and trade and where many suspect we send sons and daughters to fight not for national security, but corporate interests. And whether or not that is actually true is irrelevant to the fact that people in numbers believe it to be so.

The issue right now that the left can't see, and neither can many on the right, is that as long as we fight each other the Corporate agenda continues. They use their monetary influence in education to push agendas of division. Look at the world. We are one of the most diverse and inclusive communities on Earth. I damn sure can't see how anyone can look at the PRC and say they are anything but repressive. They have strict racial purity policies, essentially genocide minorities within, are as anti gay as any modern government can get, and yet the left accepts Corporate America's collusion with them. That doesn't make any sense!

The poor and middle class have much more in common than any of our media outlets are indicating. Stereotypes and crime are used to promote an atmosphere of fear in this country and the Virus, real though it may be, has been used to further erode community cohesiveness. Add the Tech giants social media and hand held devices that have electronically isolated us and created a false sense of community with information seeking bots and surveillance taking the place of the backyard fence and what do we have? A disconnected and fearful people.

This is exactly what Hitler created first with the SA (brownshirts) then with the education camps for everyone's children (Hitler Youth), and then Gestapo, and pretty soon anything that happened to your neighbor you didn't protest, especially if the Nazi controlled media stated their crimes (usually lies). The family unit was busted up, workers unions essentially eliminated, places of Worship given new Bibles (Nazi Revised Bibles) and then all social connections were either severed or altered with state policy.

I'm watching our country today and seeing the same things, just camouflaged. Public education is not exactly the Hitler Youth in that they aren't learning to pilot gliders for future Air Force purposes and they aren't learning to shoot, but they are learning a new political dogma. The churches in order to keep tax exempt status had to adapt their moral codes to be inclusive. And now Antifa, BLM, Proud Boys, etc are sufficing for the Fascist and Socialist street gangs that gave rise to the Fuhrer. And quite frankly the rhetoric coming out of this election from the left was talking about outlawing the party of Trump. Never mind that Hitler, when the Nazis won majority status, outlawed all other political parties.

I don't lose sleep over Communism because Russia is not behind this kind of attack, China is. China is a fascist government that calls itself communist. So when I see the Corporatists trying to remove obstacles to what they see as global dominance through trade by elimination of the nation state in Europe and U.S. teaming up with a xenophobic Chinese fascist system, that does keep me up at night.

The problem is Trump wasn't a savvy as Perot, wasn't as tactful as Reagan, wasn't as altruistic as Carter, and was an easy foil in the midst of a populist rebellion against business as usual in Washington and now they Fascists Corporatists intend to take us to a place where they don't have to face populism again.

And that is far far cry from the man in the moment that TR represented as we were challenged by Corporate zealots from 1890's up and through WWI, or FDR faced in the rising growth of fascism abroad, or Churchill faced in stemming the same dismal tide in Europe. We are fresh out of principled individuals to rise to meet a crisis of morality. Why? We've quit instilling morals like we once did. We've quit teaching people to think for themselves. We've permitted corporations to absorb media and the news, and all political candidates at the state and federal levels are already indebted to corporate money before they can be elected.

We need to be teaching the children that what they have that they can count on is each other, and while we are at it it's not to late to teach their parents either. E Pluribus Unum! Out of many, One! That's not diversity, that strength through unity.
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TUCKER: McConnell Ordered Trump Not To Pardon Assange, Suggested Senate Will Impeach If He Does - National File
Tucker Carlson reveals that Mitch McConnell is blackmailing President Trump to prevent him from pardoning Assange.


McConnell destroying whatever is left of his party.
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(01-19-2021 09:43 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  TUCKER: McConnell Ordered Trump Not To Pardon Assange, Suggested Senate Will Impeach If He Does - National File
Tucker Carlson reveals that Mitch McConnell is blackmailing President Trump to prevent him from pardoning Assange.
McConnell destroying whatever is left of his party.

Before the election, my best outcome for the senate was for Amy McGrath to beat McConnell, but for republicans to hold the senate. And if you believe that Mitch's opposition to the $2,000 COVID relief payments cost the two Georgia seats--which is entirely possible--then that could have happened.

Mitch is absolutely worthless, I've been saying so for months, and this last month or so has just been a tour de force of cluelessness. Republicans need to dump him as majority leader.

Pardon Assange and see what Mitch does about it.
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