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RE: Realignment Prediction
(01-17-2021 02:02 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  
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(01-15-2021 10:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If we are speculating on realignment with a MWC depleted of their best programs, than why not form that new SWC with C-USA West (Rice, North Texas, UTEP, LA Tech, UTSA, USM, & UAB). They could invite Colorado State, New Mexico, & Air Force. That 10 team conference could play a conference title game, and looks like a good basketball league too. Just an idea.

WHY WOULD ANY UAB FAN WANT THIS?!?!
If travel cost is already an issue in THIS conference, this type of move is ludicrous.
I agree. Hopefully there’s no way UAB would ever go along with that.

I should add that this isn’t intended to be a slight against any of those teams. It’s just that it makes no sense for UAB to be in this hypothetical league.

Understood. I know exactly what you mean. It's the same reason LA Tech doesn't want to be the "western most" member of an eastern based athletic conference. Why would we do that? Why would we cannibalize our Texas based recruiting where we get approximately one-third of our football recruits and half of our mens basketball recruits each year? That would be absurd, and I assure you it would never happen.

That’s fair and I understand why La Tech wouldn’t want to lose that. By the same token, I don’t think a TX heavy league makes sense for UAB. If the AAC doesn’t work out for UAB (which I get might be a pipe dream) and I get my druthers, then I’d like to see UAB in a more southeastern centric league. There are good teams to build a core around while shedding some of the travel costs.

Very understandable and if a reorg takes place I would rater see something more western involving UTEP. If not the MWC then a group of schools no further east than Louisiana would be great for my school.
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RE: Realignment Prediction
(01-16-2021 07:27 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  Disregarding the hurt feelings of others a lineup of USM, South Ala, Troy, UAB, ULM, La Tech, ULL, Southern U -Baton Rouge and Jackson State would create an inferno of hate, disrespect, insults, and you name it but would be a whale of an athletic conference. Thats eight conference games, four at home and four away, thus allowing for four OOC biggies. This arrangement would enable the teams to pay their bills.

The only hurt feeling would be fans of FBS teams INCLUDED in that conference. I wish you'd go away.
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RE: Realignment Prediction
(01-16-2021 07:28 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
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(01-16-2021 04:29 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  If UTEP was the only school to leave, I would imagine CUSA would make a play for TXST or NMSU.

yes and not a chance in the world would eastern schools vote for a west of UTEP

TXST is the only fbs school that makes sense for both school and conference if another western school is added. Other than ULL. Both adds something and gains something.

Louisiana has one of the top 2 programs in the Sunbelt every season. I think that gets them invited over Texas State.

At this point, I highly doubt that they would leave the belt.
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RE: Realignment Prediction
(01-17-2021 01:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 12:05 PM)rook360 Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 10:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If we are speculating on realignment with a MWC depleted of their best programs, than why not form that new SWC with C-USA West (Rice, North Texas, UTEP, LA Tech, UTSA, USM, & UAB). They could invite Colorado State, New Mexico, & Air Force. That 10 team conference could play a conference title game, and looks like a good basketball league too. Just an idea.

WHY WOULD ANY UAB FAN WANT THIS?!?!
If travel cost is already an issue in THIS conference, this type of move is ludicrous.

Some people see UAB plays in the western division of USA and I guess they assume UAB would want to be connected to the teams on that side of CUSA.

What they dont seen to understand and not even take the time to look...

UAB played in the CUSA east till Western joined the conference in 2014. So for 15 out of 21 years UAB was a eastern school. UAB has more FB history with Marshall than any school in the west. Other than USM. UAB has played FAU more times than UNT, UTSA & UTEP... Tech and Rice only 2 times more than FAU. Hell even Southern Mississippi was a eastern division school till CUSA 3.0

Add to that, UAB is the school made by Gene Bartow, not football, even if the school is in Alabama. And basketball is just as important to the UAB fanbase as football. Hell UAB played their basketball coach a million dollars before their FB coach was awarded a million dollar contract. ...

UAB actually has more connected history with eastern schools than any western school, other than Southern Mississippi (51)...
Charlotte (51)
Western (41)
ODU (36)
Marshall (30)
Middle (22)


People make assumptions by what division you play in today and most will fight to the death based on that limited info.

Southern Miss wouldn't want in that either. We don't mind sharing a division with a Texas team or two, but the current four are too many and we don't have any interest in the MWC schools.
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RE: Realignment Prediction
(01-17-2021 12:05 PM)rook360 Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 10:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If we are speculating on realignment with a MWC depleted of their best programs, than why not form that new SWC with C-USA West (Rice, North Texas, UTEP, LA Tech, UTSA, USM, & UAB). They could invite Colorado State, New Mexico, & Air Force. That 10 team conference could play a conference title game, and looks like a good basketball league too. Just an idea.

WHY WOULD ANY UAB FAN WANT THIS?!?!
If travel cost is already an issue in THIS conference, this type of move is ludicrous.

UAB is getting a brand new stadium. If you can afford that nice new stadium, then travel costs shouldn't be an issue.
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RE: Realignment Prediction
(01-17-2021 04:33 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 12:05 PM)rook360 Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 10:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If we are speculating on realignment with a MWC depleted of their best programs, than why not form that new SWC with C-USA West (Rice, North Texas, UTEP, LA Tech, UTSA, USM, & UAB). They could invite Colorado State, New Mexico, & Air Force. That 10 team conference could play a conference title game, and looks like a good basketball league too. Just an idea.

WHY WOULD ANY UAB FAN WANT THIS?!?!
If travel cost is already an issue in THIS conference, this type of move is ludicrous.

UAB is getting a brand new stadium. If you can afford that nice new stadium, then travel costs shouldn't be an issue.

LOL! Great point, SSJ.
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RE: Realignment Prediction
(01-17-2021 01:27 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 01:06 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 12:05 PM)rook360 Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 10:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If we are speculating on realignment with a MWC depleted of their best programs, than why not form that new SWC with C-USA West (Rice, North Texas, UTEP, LA Tech, UTSA, USM, & UAB). They could invite Colorado State, New Mexico, & Air Force. That 10 team conference could play a conference title game, and looks like a good basketball league too. Just an idea.

WHY WOULD ANY UAB FAN WANT THIS?!?!
If travel cost is already an issue in THIS conference, this type of move is ludicrous.
I agree. Hopefully there’s no way UAB would ever go along with that.

I should add that this isn’t intended to be a slight against any of those teams. It’s just that it makes no sense for UAB to be in this hypothetical league.

The problem is, everyone wants to be at the CENTER of their conference for travel purposes, and unfortunately, that just can't happen.

The fans that are unhappy with their CUSA membership are typically those on the geographic fringe of the conference. For example, we hear a lot more complaints from ODU and Marshall fans because they are on the geographic edge of the conference. Meanwhile we rarely --if ever-- hear complaints about CUSA membership from fans of LA Tech, UAB, UNT, MTSU, etc... And that's because these schools are not located on the edge of the conference geography. Travel costs and travel time are not an issue for these schools because they are centrally located in CUSA's footprint.

I don't care about being geographically central to a conference. When there is another round of realignment, I just want North Texas to play with the best programs we can conference with, even if it mean the conference stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific.... although that would place us in the geographic center. But, you get what I mean.
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The last fifteen or so posts are a good look at the problem. It is complicated and there are no simple solutions.Duh. So what happens? Nothing and we continue in mediocrity or...

1.) Schools realize their is no perfect solution and divide along East/West lines.

2.) Significant shake-up occurs from above causing a shift.

3.) Economics force some type of merger/change with the SBC.
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(01-17-2021 04:56 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The last fifteen or so posts are a good look at the problem. It is complicated and there are no simple solutions.Duh. So what happens? Nothing and we continue in mediocrity or...

1.) Schools realize their is no perfect solution and divide along East/West lines.

2.) Significant shake-up occurs from above causing a shift.

3.) Economics force some type of merger/change with the SBC.

4.) Economics force some programs to leave their current conference situations and go independent or drop down to the FCS.

I think #4 is the more likely than #1 or #3.
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RE: Realignment Prediction
(01-17-2021 04:49 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 01:27 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 01:06 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 12:05 PM)rook360 Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 10:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If we are speculating on realignment with a MWC depleted of their best programs, than why not form that new SWC with C-USA West (Rice, North Texas, UTEP, LA Tech, UTSA, USM, & UAB). They could invite Colorado State, New Mexico, & Air Force. That 10 team conference could play a conference title game, and looks like a good basketball league too. Just an idea.

WHY WOULD ANY UAB FAN WANT THIS?!?!
If travel cost is already an issue in THIS conference, this type of move is ludicrous.
I agree. Hopefully there’s no way UAB would ever go along with that.

I should add that this isn’t intended to be a slight against any of those teams. It’s just that it makes no sense for UAB to be in this hypothetical league.

The problem is, everyone wants to be at the CENTER of their conference for travel purposes, and unfortunately, that just can't happen.

The fans that are unhappy with their CUSA membership are typically those on the geographic fringe of the conference. For example, we hear a lot more complaints from ODU and Marshall fans because they are on the geographic edge of the conference. Meanwhile we rarely --if ever-- hear complaints about CUSA membership from fans of LA Tech, UAB, UNT, MTSU, etc... And that's because these schools are not located on the edge of the conference geography. Travel costs and travel time are not an issue for these schools because they are centrally located in CUSA's footprint.

I don't care about being geographically central to a conference. When there is another round of realignment, I just want North Texas to play with the best programs we can conference with, even if it mean the conference stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific.... although that would place us in the geographic center. But, you get what I mean.

I know what you mean. But, it's never been a concern for you because UNT has always been in a geographic friendly conference anyway. LA Tech spent several years as an "outlier" in the WAC after SMU, Tulsa, Rice --and 1 yr later, UTEP-- bolted for CUSA and left Tech stranded in the eastern WAC, all alone. For 7 years, the closest conference mate Tech had was over 1,000 miles away, at Utah St, until NMSU, UTSA and TX St were finally added as full members in 2012. This is one reason Tech fans seldom complain about CUSA. We've seen much worse.
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RE: Realignment Prediction
(01-17-2021 01:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 12:05 PM)rook360 Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 10:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If we are speculating on realignment with a MWC depleted of their best programs, than why not form that new SWC with C-USA West (Rice, North Texas, UTEP, LA Tech, UTSA, USM, & UAB). They could invite Colorado State, New Mexico, & Air Force. That 10 team conference could play a conference title game, and looks like a good basketball league too. Just an idea.

WHY WOULD ANY UAB FAN WANT THIS?!?!
If travel cost is already an issue in THIS conference, this type of move is ludicrous.

Some people see UAB plays in the western division of USA and I guess they assume UAB would want to be connected to the teams on that side of CUSA.

What they dont seen to understand and not even take the time to look...

UAB played in the CUSA east till Western joined the conference in 2014. So for 15 out of 21 years UAB was a eastern school. UAB has more FB history with Marshall than any school in the west. Other than USM. UAB has played FAU more times than UNT, UTSA & UTEP... Tech and Rice only 2 times more than FAU. Hell even Southern Mississippi was a eastern division school till CUSA 3.0

Add to that, UAB is the school made by Gene Bartow, not football, even if the school is in Alabama. And basketball is just as important to the UAB fanbase as football. Hell UAB played their basketball coach a million dollars before their FB coach was awarded a million dollar contract. ...

UAB actually has more connected history with eastern schools than any western school, other than Southern Mississippi (51)...
Charlotte (51)
Western (41)
ODU (36)
Marshall (30)
Middle (22)


People make assumptions by what division you play in today and most will fight to the death based on that limited info.

I agree. It always makes me giggle when the west schools think that UAB will go west if there is a split.
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RE: Realignment Prediction
(01-17-2021 10:55 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(01-16-2021 11:34 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(01-16-2021 08:11 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(01-16-2021 07:48 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-16-2021 07:28 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Louisiana has one of the top 2 programs in the Sunbelt every season. I think that gets them invited over Texas State.

TxSt is the most likely school in the SBC to be the first to say yes. This sets up a very short I35 rivalry and 2.5 hours with Rice. ULL does the same 2.5 to 3 hours with Tech and USM.

My personal choice would be the same as yours because while I respect ULL, Western and ULL had a good rivalry going while in the SBC. While messageboard fans dont mean crap and most dont have a clue on what their school would or wouldnt do....

I think TXST would be a sure yes. I think ULL would be 75% yes

Message board fans always want to break it down to what they think is important. Who's winning or losing today really has very little meaning. Which conference is getting the most press today. Has very little meaning.....

in the worse or best years not one of the conferences is a difference makers. Its always going to come down to which schools do I fit in better with.

ULL puts value in football and basketball and while there isnt much difference today. The history of 6 or 7 teams (Basketball) in CUSA is light years better than any one school in the SBC. Thats why I also think ULL would say yes

Txst would probably say yes and I think all parties are happy since they are an outlier for SBC and seem to have some mental block against succeeding at football. Maybe Cusa west is what they need.

I doubt ULLLlLlL would be super interested. They would take a multi million dollar hit to get less $$$ every year and fight over the same one bid to the dance. I just don’t see what’s in it for them besides playing in smelly Ruston once every two years.

ULL would leave the Sunbelt to be affiliated with Louisiana Tech, UAB, and USM.

Yes if it were clear cut like that. But would they pay a few million $$ to have a worse tv contract and less payout every year to be affiliated with them? I doubt it. They have Ark st and to a lesser extent App and ULM and now CCU has pissed off their fans for at least 5 years

I think they'd jump at the opportunity. Success in athletics is cyclical. The Sunbelt had a fantastic football season, but it won't last forever.
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RE: Realignment Prediction
(01-17-2021 05:17 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 04:49 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 01:27 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
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(01-17-2021 12:05 PM)rook360 Wrote:  WHY WOULD ANY UAB FAN WANT THIS?!?!
If travel cost is already an issue in THIS conference, this type of move is ludicrous.
I agree. Hopefully there’s no way UAB would ever go along with that.

I should add that this isn’t intended to be a slight against any of those teams. It’s just that it makes no sense for UAB to be in this hypothetical league.

The problem is, everyone wants to be at the CENTER of their conference for travel purposes, and unfortunately, that just can't happen.

The fans that are unhappy with their CUSA membership are typically those on the geographic fringe of the conference. For example, we hear a lot more complaints from ODU and Marshall fans because they are on the geographic edge of the conference. Meanwhile we rarely --if ever-- hear complaints about CUSA membership from fans of LA Tech, UAB, UNT, MTSU, etc... And that's because these schools are not located on the edge of the conference geography. Travel costs and travel time are not an issue for these schools because they are centrally located in CUSA's footprint.

I don't care about being geographically central to a conference. When there is another round of realignment, I just want North Texas to play with the best programs we can conference with, even if it mean the conference stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific.... although that would place us in the geographic center. But, you get what I mean.

I know what you mean. But, it's never been a concern for you because UNT has always been in a geographic friendly conference anyway. LA Tech spent several years as an "outlier" in the WAC after SMU, Tulsa, Rice --and 1 yr later, UTEP-- bolted for CUSA and left Tech stranded in the eastern WAC, all alone. For 7 years, the closest conference mate Tech had was over 1,000 miles away, at Utah St, until NMSU, UTSA and TX St were finally added as full members in 2012. This is one reason Tech fans seldom complain about CUSA. We've seen much worse.

No. North Texas was on an island in the Sun Belt for 11 seasons. And it sucked. Before that we were the only Texas program in the Big West (Everyone has to restart somewhere). That sucked too. UNT also spent about 7 seasons as an independent before being cast down to DI-AA in 1982. Believe me, North Texas understand what LT was going through in the WAC days. Thankfully, UNT is in a much better financial and leadership situation now.
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First, let me say that LA Tech is happy in CUSA, and I know some of the Sunbelt schools feel the same. But, if other members of CUSA and the SBC insist on splitting away, some hard decisions will have to be made.

To make a new conference work for the West, it's going to have to look something like what I've outlined below. It will be easy to have 8 core members. The trick will be filling the other one to three spots. The new Southwest Conference "Target Membership" will likely be limited to 10 members only, unless we find a need for 9 or 11. Definitely no more than 11.

New Southwest Conference:

LA Tech
UNT
USM
ULL
Ark St
Rice
UTSA
UTEP


Potential invites: (And we really only need one!)
UAB*
SMU**
Tulsa**
Houston**
Colorado St***
New Mexico***
Air force***
Texas St****


* Extend a "courtesy offer" to UAB for the 9th position. They can decide if in or out.
** Depending on what the "new AAC" looks like at that time, SMU and Tulsa in particular, and Houston also could be considered a great fit.
*** Depending on what the "new MWC" looks like at that time, any 2 (or 3 ) of these teams can be added.
****Tx St is not my 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice, but they are available. If nothing else works, TX St could be added to the core of 8 to get us to 9 members.


Nine teams could be considered a perfect number because each team could play 4 conference games at home and 4 on the road each season. Assuming a 12-game schedule, that leaves 4 spots open for two "P5 money games", one FCS warmup game, and one spot open for an OOC rival, or any other team.

Conference scheduling doesn't get much better that.

With the right teams, a total of 11 could also be considered because odd numbers work well for conference scheduling. For example, if SMU, Tulsa and Houston showed interest from the AAC, we would certainly be thrilled to add all 3 to our core of 8, taking our total membership to 11.
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(01-17-2021 04:33 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 12:05 PM)rook360 Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 10:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If we are speculating on realignment with a MWC depleted of their best programs, than why not form that new SWC with C-USA West (Rice, North Texas, UTEP, LA Tech, UTSA, USM, & UAB). They could invite Colorado State, New Mexico, & Air Force. That 10 team conference could play a conference title game, and looks like a good basketball league too. Just an idea.

WHY WOULD ANY UAB FAN WANT THIS?!?!
If travel cost is already an issue in THIS conference, this type of move is ludicrous.

UAB is getting a brand new stadium. If you can afford that nice new stadium, then travel costs shouldn't be an issue.

Because UAB is renting space in BIrmingham's new stadium. What some UAB posters keep forgetting to mention is that the stadium is not our's proper.It was built with us in mind as the main tenets, but UAB doesn't own it nor did any boosters pay for it. It's the City's. Much like Miami and UTSA.
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RE: Realignment Prediction
(01-17-2021 08:39 PM)rook360 Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 04:33 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(01-17-2021 12:05 PM)rook360 Wrote:  
(01-15-2021 10:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If we are speculating on realignment with a MWC depleted of their best programs, than why not form that new SWC with C-USA West (Rice, North Texas, UTEP, LA Tech, UTSA, USM, & UAB). They could invite Colorado State, New Mexico, & Air Force. That 10 team conference could play a conference title game, and looks like a good basketball league too. Just an idea.

WHY WOULD ANY UAB FAN WANT THIS?!?!
If travel cost is already an issue in THIS conference, this type of move is ludicrous.

UAB is getting a brand new stadium. If you can afford that nice new stadium, then travel costs shouldn't be an issue.

Because UAB is renting space in BIrmingham's new stadium. What some UAB posters keep forgetting to mention is that the stadium is not our's proper.It was built with us in mind as the main tenets, but UAB doesn't own it nor did any boosters pay for it. It's the City's. Much like Miami and UTSA.

Miami is not a good example because they aren’t the main tenant, the Dolphins are but your point is correct. There is a difference between building your own on campus stadium and being a tenant.
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