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RE: Seismic change is coming
Unfortunately Duke men's basketball was too good back after they won two national championships in the early 90's (and that was after those many Final Fours before then). ESPN and Dick Vitale only made them more popular as did their rivalry with North Carolina (1993 national championship and 1991 Final Four). I also remember Michael Jordan in 1982 and Jim Valvano and the miracle NC State upset in 1983. ACC football before Florida State meanwhile was basically irrelevant. The ACC was going to cater to the basketball schools that were making noise on a national level, not the football schools that weren't (or for a long time, football school, Florida State).

If you hate Duke in the ACC or their influence on the ACC, blame Coach K.
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(01-19-2021 01:42 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The best thing that could happen to the ACC would be for Duke to be admitted to the Ivy League. Carolina and GT can still play them in football. Carolina, State, and WF can continue to the play them in basketball. But the magical one and done players with mystery dollars and shoe contracts, and new houses to live in, and big jewelry buys, goes away in the Ivy League. Of course the Ivy does not want them because they don't want to compete with what are effectively highly paid basketball players.

The Ivy should not only add Duke but Northwestern and Vanderbilt as well.
All three schools could fit not only from an academic stand point, but would actually be a benefit from an athletic standpoint as well, fitting much more closely with each schools overall mission.
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(01-19-2021 02:13 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Unfortunately Duke men's basketball was too good back after they won two national championships in the early 90's (and that was after those many Final Fours before then). ESPN and Dick Vitale only made them more popular as did their rivalry with North Carolina (1993 national championship and 1991 Final Four). I also remember Michael Jordan in 1982 and Jim Valvano and the miracle NC State upset in 1983. ACC football before Florida State meanwhile was basically irrelevant. The ACC was going to cater to the basketball schools that were making noise on a national level, not the football schools that weren't (or for a long time, football school, Florida State).

If you hate Duke in the ACC or their influence on the ACC, blame Coach K.

The ACC added Miami...that was a push from FSU and Bobby Bowden more specifically. The ACC would have stopped at Miami in '99 if the NCAA had let them have a champ game with 10 members. Stopping at 10 members had the blessing of "the basketball schools" because it wouldn't affect hoop scheduling.

It's when things were forced to move towards 12 did the crap hit the fan with UNC, Dook and UVa.
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(01-19-2021 02:51 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 02:13 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Unfortunately Duke men's basketball was too good back after they won two national championships in the early 90's (and that was after those many Final Fours before then). ESPN and Dick Vitale only made them more popular as did their rivalry with North Carolina (1993 national championship and 1991 Final Four). I also remember Michael Jordan in 1982 and Jim Valvano and the miracle NC State upset in 1983. ACC football before Florida State meanwhile was basically irrelevant. The ACC was going to cater to the basketball schools that were making noise on a national level, not the football schools that weren't (or for a long time, football school, Florida State).

If you hate Duke in the ACC or their influence on the ACC, blame Coach K.

The ACC added Miami...that was a push from FSU and Bobby Bowden more specifically. The ACC would have stopped at Miami in '99 if the NCAA had let them have a champ game with 10 members. Stopping at 10 members had the blessing of "the basketball schools" because it wouldn't affect hoop scheduling.

It's when things were forced to move towards 12 did the crap hit the fan with UNC, Dook and UVa.

And MD. Although with MD is was more the move to 14 when they lost Duke as a permanent partner in Basketball.
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(01-19-2021 04:20 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 02:51 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 02:13 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Unfortunately Duke men's basketball was too good back after they won two national championships in the early 90's (and that was after those many Final Fours before then). ESPN and Dick Vitale only made them more popular as did their rivalry with North Carolina (1993 national championship and 1991 Final Four). I also remember Michael Jordan in 1982 and Jim Valvano and the miracle NC State upset in 1983. ACC football before Florida State meanwhile was basically irrelevant. The ACC was going to cater to the basketball schools that were making noise on a national level, not the football schools that weren't (or for a long time, football school, Florida State).

If you hate Duke in the ACC or their influence on the ACC, blame Coach K.

The ACC added Miami...that was a push from FSU and Bobby Bowden more specifically. The ACC would have stopped at Miami in '99 if the NCAA had let them have a champ game with 10 members. Stopping at 10 members had the blessing of "the basketball schools" because it wouldn't affect hoop scheduling.

It's when things were forced to move towards 12 did the crap hit the fan with UNC, Dook and UVa.

And MD. Although with MD is was more the move to 14 when they lost Duke as a permanent partner in Basketball.

Maryland voted yes on going to 12. The ACC needed 7 of the 9 to vote yes and with Dook and UNC voting NO....UVa held the deciding vote. That's when Virginia state politics got involved in order to get VT in the league.
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(01-19-2021 02:13 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Unfortunately Duke men's basketball was too good back after they won two national championships in the early 90's (and that was after those many Final Fours before then). ESPN and Dick Vitale only made them more popular as did their rivalry with North Carolina (1993 national championship and 1991 Final Four). I also remember Michael Jordan in 1982 and Jim Valvano and the miracle NC State upset in 1983. ACC football before Florida State meanwhile was basically irrelevant. The ACC was going to cater to the basketball schools that were making noise on a national level, not the football schools that weren't (or for a long time, football school, Florida State).

If you hate Duke in the ACC or their influence on the ACC, blame Coach K.

You are totally wrong.

Duke had the SoCon and ACC's second best basketball record from WWII until 1968. NC State had the best, UNC was third. This three rotated around until the NC State program was destroyed in the late 1980's. The chief beneficiary of this was Duke, the second beneficiary was UNC. In fact Duke basketball has been "poor" only for a small snippet of time under Bucky Waters because of racial issues at Duke, the exit of Vic Bubas, etc. Getting rid of Valvano, and NC State downgrading sports over the selling of basketball shoes and admitting a stupid kid is what allowed Duke basketball to take off and create a singular relationship with UNC. Just a few years before Valvano was attacked, Len Bias died and UMD NEVER fully recovered after they gutted their programs.

K is not the problem with Duke. Duke is the problem with Duke. Unless you have worked there, you can't really understand. Duke has as many NC Legislators in it's pocket as does UNC. It has as many newspaper editors. If you could control the News and Observer, Charlotte Observer, Winston Salem Journal, Roanoke Time, Richmond Dispatch and the Greensboro News and Record you could fully control the ACC through their BOT and BOG members and public opinion. Duke has only permanent interests just Great Brittan, not permanent allies.

Duke University operates just like a tobacco company did in the 20th Century. That has never changed.
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(01-19-2021 02:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 01:42 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The best thing that could happen to the ACC would be for Duke to be admitted to the Ivy League. Carolina and GT can still play them in football. Carolina, State, and WF can continue to the play them in basketball. But the magical one and done players with mystery dollars and shoe contracts, and new houses to live in, and big jewelry buys, goes away in the Ivy League. Of course the Ivy does not want them because they don't want to compete with what are effectively highly paid basketball players.

The Ivy should not only add Duke but Northwestern and Vanderbilt as well.
All three schools could fit not only from an academic stand point, but would actually be a benefit from an athletic standpoint as well, fitting much more closely with each schools overall mission.

You could also make a case for UVa in that group.
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I might would disagree with my fellow Packer about one thing....nobody controls the media quite like UNC.
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(01-19-2021 06:14 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  I might would disagree with my fellow Packer about one thing....nobody controls the media quite like UNC.

Maybe I was not subtle enough with my point. Duke controls the media by controlling UNC.
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(01-19-2021 06:19 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 06:14 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  I might would disagree with my fellow Packer about one thing....nobody controls the media quite like UNC.

Maybe I was not subtle enough with my point. Duke controls the media by controlling UNC.

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(01-19-2021 09:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 06:19 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 06:14 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  I might would disagree with my fellow Packer about one thing....nobody controls the media quite like UNC.

Maybe I was not subtle enough with my point. Duke controls the media by controlling UNC.

"...the whole ACC is lying in the power of the Blue Devils." - 1 John 5:19, Statefan version

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(01-19-2021 06:06 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 02:13 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Unfortunately Duke men's basketball was too good back after they won two national championships in the early 90's (and that was after those many Final Fours before then). ESPN and Dick Vitale only made them more popular as did their rivalry with North Carolina (1993 national championship and 1991 Final Four). I also remember Michael Jordan in 1982 and Jim Valvano and the miracle NC State upset in 1983. ACC football before Florida State meanwhile was basically irrelevant. The ACC was going to cater to the basketball schools that were making noise on a national level, not the football schools that weren't (or for a long time, football school, Florida State).

If you hate Duke in the ACC or their influence on the ACC, blame Coach K.

You are totally wrong.

Duke had the SoCon and ACC's second best basketball record from WWII until 1968. NC State had the best, UNC was third. This three rotated around until the NC State program was destroyed in the late 1980's. The chief beneficiary of this was Duke, the second beneficiary was UNC. In fact Duke basketball has been "poor" only for a small snippet of time under Bucky Waters because of racial issues at Duke, the exit of Vic Bubas, etc. Getting rid of Valvano, and NC State downgrading sports over the selling of basketball shoes and admitting a stupid kid is what allowed Duke basketball to take off and create a singular relationship with UNC. Just a few years before Valvano was attacked, Len Bias died and UMD NEVER fully recovered after they gutted their programs.

K is not the problem with Duke. Duke is the problem with Duke. Unless you have worked there, you can't really understand. Duke has as many NC Legislators in it's pocket as does UNC. It has as many newspaper editors. If you could control the News and Observer, Charlotte Observer, Winston Salem Journal, Roanoke Time, Richmond Dispatch and the Greensboro News and Record you could fully control the ACC through their BOT and BOG members and public opinion. Duke has only permanent interests just Great Brittan, not permanent allies.

Duke University operates just like a tobacco company did in the 20th Century. That has never changed.


Didn't Maryland win a national championship?

I hope Louisville never fully recovers from NCAA issues like Maryland did from their self imposed difficulties.
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(01-19-2021 06:19 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 06:14 PM)YouPeople Wrote:  I might would disagree with my fellow Packer about one thing....nobody controls the media quite like UNC.

Maybe I was not subtle enough with my point. Duke controls the media by controlling UNC.

That statement just landed on a multitude of deaf ears.
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(01-19-2021 06:07 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 08:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  When your former AD, Paul Dee, and NC State's AD was working with Gene Corrigan and Miami, Miami wanted to include BC and Syracuse. You wanted Miami and the ACC accommodated you and ESPN paid for it. Then FSU went into the tank and Miami never showed up and for half a decade the league banner is being carried by WF, BC, VT, and GT. Pitt and Syracuse were added to get ND and Penn State but MD backstabbed us.

You joined what had become a basketball conference. That allowed you to dominate the league and get an annual pass into a major bowl or play for a national championship. How many people will sit in the stands in Tallahassee if you are 8-4 in the SEC versus 10-2 in the ACC? How many SEC games do you think you would have won this year? You play in the P-5 conference that is the most inexpensive to compete in - even in the SEC you will suck hind teat behind Bama, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, LSU, and TAMU when it comes to attendance because you need fans travelling to Doak to fill it up. That's not meant as an insult, just a mathematical fact.

You talk as if the added revenue comes free. It's not free. Operations that look only at income and not cost usually go broke. If money cured bad hires or stupid decisions Texas would not be on their 4th coach in 10 years.

If you and Miami had your programs in Clemson's shape, Swofford would have something better to pimp. But NC State will never raise and spend the extra $30 - $40 million a year to reach that level. Hiding a stupid football player at UNC is no longer easy. Duke and UVa drift further and further away from football culture every year. GT, Pitt, and BC will not thrive on a consistent basis in pro towns.

You have the best of all worlds right now and the ACC nor your revenue is responsible for the product on your field the last couple of years.

Had this plan been successful, Swofford would be hailed as a hero, and the ACC would have been on the same dollar footing as the B1G and the SEC.
The plan was not successful and the ACC will be lucky to be 20% behind dollar wise even with a full time Notre Dame and will not completely dominate the east coast.
There was no other path to equality.

The wishful-thinking that ND and PSU would join, and then everything would be fine is delusional. UMCP may have backstabbed the ACC strategy, but the Terrapins also had an incompetent athletics department that did the ACC a huge favor by leaving. The Terps had become lazy, free-riders hanging onto the coattails (Ohio State and Michigan are better able to support this approach). I was a huge Maryland Terrapins fan growing-up, but they can’t just continue to live by the memories of Jerry Claiborne and Bobby Ross teams.

College athletics has become a big business, and schools need to keep-up with the transformation. Fan attendance, TV viewership and OOC wins by ACC football teams needs to be the focus. Viewership was actually relatively strong this year. If ND and PSU want to join the ACC, that will be a bonus. More importantly, we need more of the existing schools to compete for national attention in football.

Regardless of how ND and PSU acted, Swafford can’t be considered successful. Commissioners negotiate media contracts...the ACC had the highest media distribution when he started, it now has the 4th or 5th highest.
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I don't know who controls what.

But either the ACC media is loaded with morons......or somebody strong armed them to nickname Swofford "Ninja" while he was making moves to kill the ACC. Maybe it's both.
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(01-20-2021 02:52 PM)nole Wrote:  I don't know who controls what.

But either the ACC media is loaded with morons......or somebody strong armed them to nickname Swofford "Ninja" while he was making moves to kill the ACC. Maybe it's both.

Well to be accurate Ninjas were assassins and that was the function associated with the name as they were totally for hire and not loyal to any clan, so wholly mercenary.
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(01-14-2021 07:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I won't deny that politics have played their role. But across the board attendance has been declining the past ten years and ratings have peaked about 5 years ago.

You're an SEC guy, shouldn't Bama be playing Georgia, Tennessee and Florida every year as opposed to seeing then at home once every seven years?

What made the sport great is being thrown to the garbage bin for a few extra dollas and the only way to compete is throw more traditions to the curb and join a new league.

When this bubble pops, hopefully it's not too late.
You can count on a 3% decline per year here on out just from the attrition of the Baby Boomers who wee mostly all players, cheerleaders, or bandmembers and love the game in high schools all across the nation.

People identify with games they played. I was a RT for the offense and Nose Guard on defense and played both ways. When I attend a game I watch the lines at work in the first quarter and by the 2nd I pretty much know, barring a severe lack of depth for the opposition, how the game is going to go. My daughters were band members for their high school games and their universities. They know football from years of being around it and enjoy the halftimes because of the bands. You can say the same for the cheerleaders and majorettes.

My point is those people are drawn to the games because they understand various aspects about them. The participation level beyond generation X is very low so the interest is low. Therefore as the older folks who had connections die out the younger folks who have no connection and no interest do other things. The same thing has already happened to basketball, but there are still playgrounds where pick up games are played. Softball and travel baseball is more of a niche upper middle class activity.

So Panther the decline is on and your assertions are not too far from reality through your observations.

I couldn't agree more about the loss of regionality impacting all of this. But I need only point to two catalysts that led to its loss. The first is the interest of corporate networks who wanted to reshape the alignments for their profit and paid for it. The second is the level of national debt and state debt that made our schools hungry for those extra sums. So here we are. And now we have the introduction of a third factor related to the first two. Higher Education will go through a downsizing. Part of that is due to robotics and declining job opportunities from that. Another part is the death of the family business which has been buried by corporate favors purchased from PAC money given our politicians. And finally by a demographic downturn in birthrates. Many immigrants, certainly not all, take a few generations before college is a must for them. So between higher immigration from the poorer people to the South of us and our own declining birth rate, and the lack of opportunities for independent entrepreneurships, and robotics and corporate mid level glass ceilings for management the need for higher education is rapidly declining except for STEM fields. If our children aren't going to be engineers, scientists or doctors then college is not worth the cost when trade schools for electricians and plumbers is more lucrative and less restrictive and controlled, or even confined.

So the stress for universities to seek new and larger revenue streams has just begun and that gives the networks even more leverage. It's not a pretty picture for any of us.

Honestly, despite everything said... Football has the highest youth participation numbers, the highest ratings within the 18-30 demo. It's not what it was 10 years ago, but things like CFB are salvageable. Which is why I feel this move to bigger conferences is such a terrible idea and only speeds up the process of losing fan interest from a broader standpoint. Schools like Kansas or Iowa St played major college ball for over 100 years. What interest will Kansas fans have when they're excluded, especially considering their basketball history?

What about minor sports like gymnastics or volleyball? Oregon would ultimately be trading traditional matchups for road trips to Wisconsin and Rutgers for conference games. What kinda sense does that make? It'll get to the point where minor sports costs will exceed the gains made by TV money. It's more than just football and basketball that's going to be effected by these ridiculous changes.
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(01-20-2021 02:45 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 06:07 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 08:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  When your former AD, Paul Dee, and NC State's AD was working with Gene Corrigan and Miami, Miami wanted to include BC and Syracuse. You wanted Miami and the ACC accommodated you and ESPN paid for it. Then FSU went into the tank and Miami never showed up and for half a decade the league banner is being carried by WF, BC, VT, and GT. Pitt and Syracuse were added to get ND and Penn State but MD backstabbed us.

You joined what had become a basketball conference. That allowed you to dominate the league and get an annual pass into a major bowl or play for a national championship. How many people will sit in the stands in Tallahassee if you are 8-4 in the SEC versus 10-2 in the ACC? How many SEC games do you think you would have won this year? You play in the P-5 conference that is the most inexpensive to compete in - even in the SEC you will suck hind teat behind Bama, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, LSU, and TAMU when it comes to attendance because you need fans travelling to Doak to fill it up. That's not meant as an insult, just a mathematical fact.

You talk as if the added revenue comes free. It's not free. Operations that look only at income and not cost usually go broke. If money cured bad hires or stupid decisions Texas would not be on their 4th coach in 10 years.

If you and Miami had your programs in Clemson's shape, Swofford would have something better to pimp. But NC State will never raise and spend the extra $30 - $40 million a year to reach that level. Hiding a stupid football player at UNC is no longer easy. Duke and UVa drift further and further away from football culture every year. GT, Pitt, and BC will not thrive on a consistent basis in pro towns.

You have the best of all worlds right now and the ACC nor your revenue is responsible for the product on your field the last couple of years.

Had this plan been successful, Swofford would be hailed as a hero, and the ACC would have been on the same dollar footing as the B1G and the SEC.
The plan was not successful and the ACC will be lucky to be 20% behind dollar wise even with a full time Notre Dame and will not completely dominate the east coast.
There was no other path to equality.

The wishful-thinking that ND and PSU would join, and then everything would be fine is delusional. UMCP may have backstabbed the ACC strategy, but the Terrapins also had an incompetent athletics department that did the ACC a huge favor by leaving. The Terps had become lazy, free-riders hanging onto the coattails (Ohio State and Michigan are better able to support this approach). I was a huge Maryland Terrapins fan growing-up, but they can’t just continue to live by the memories of Jerry Claiborne and Bobby Ross teams.

College athletics has become a big business, and schools need to keep-up with the transformation. Fan attendance, TV viewership and OOC wins by ACC football teams needs to be the focus. Viewership was actually relatively strong this year. If ND and PSU want to join the ACC, that will be a bonus. More importantly, we need more of the existing schools to compete for national attention in football.

Regardless of how ND and PSU acted, Swafford can’t be considered successful. Commissioners negotiate media contracts...the ACC had the highest media distribution when he started, it now has the 4th or 5th highest.

The ACC was way ahead of it's time.
CD Chesley cobbled a few television station network together to broadcast North Carolina's incredible 1957 NCAA basketball championship run and the ACC television network was born. Management of that network was passed from Chesley to Jefferson-Pilot and then to RayCom. That ACC taught ESPN how to broadcast college athletics (and for years the ACC network broadcasts were far superior to what ESPN could put on the air and as such the Conference demanded dual broadcasts of important games and the ACC tournament for years).
Swofford is successful, because the ACC is still here, and will still be here well into the future.
Being able to secure a long term contract, and a linear network with a league whose average attendance was under 50,000 while competing with two conferences that could basically double those numbers is remarkable.
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(01-20-2021 02:45 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(01-19-2021 06:07 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-18-2021 08:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  When your former AD, Paul Dee, and NC State's AD was working with Gene Corrigan and Miami, Miami wanted to include BC and Syracuse. You wanted Miami and the ACC accommodated you and ESPN paid for it. Then FSU went into the tank and Miami never showed up and for half a decade the league banner is being carried by WF, BC, VT, and GT. Pitt and Syracuse were added to get ND and Penn State but MD backstabbed us.

You joined what had become a basketball conference. That allowed you to dominate the league and get an annual pass into a major bowl or play for a national championship. How many people will sit in the stands in Tallahassee if you are 8-4 in the SEC versus 10-2 in the ACC? How many SEC games do you think you would have won this year? You play in the P-5 conference that is the most inexpensive to compete in - even in the SEC you will suck hind teat behind Bama, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, LSU, and TAMU when it comes to attendance because you need fans travelling to Doak to fill it up. That's not meant as an insult, just a mathematical fact.

You talk as if the added revenue comes free. It's not free. Operations that look only at income and not cost usually go broke. If money cured bad hires or stupid decisions Texas would not be on their 4th coach in 10 years.

If you and Miami had your programs in Clemson's shape, Swofford would have something better to pimp. But NC State will never raise and spend the extra $30 - $40 million a year to reach that level. Hiding a stupid football player at UNC is no longer easy. Duke and UVa drift further and further away from football culture every year. GT, Pitt, and BC will not thrive on a consistent basis in pro towns.

You have the best of all worlds right now and the ACC nor your revenue is responsible for the product on your field the last couple of years.

Had this plan been successful, Swofford would be hailed as a hero, and the ACC would have been on the same dollar footing as the B1G and the SEC.
The plan was not successful and the ACC will be lucky to be 20% behind dollar wise even with a full time Notre Dame and will not completely dominate the east coast.
There was no other path to equality.

The wishful-thinking that ND and PSU would join, and then everything would be fine is delusional. UMCP may have backstabbed the ACC strategy, but the Terrapins also had an incompetent athletics department that did the ACC a huge favor by leaving. The Terps had become lazy, free-riders hanging onto the coattails (Ohio State and Michigan are better able to support this approach). I was a huge Maryland Terrapins fan growing-up, but they can’t just continue to live by the memories of Jerry Claiborne and Bobby Ross teams.

College athletics has become a big business, and schools need to keep-up with the transformation. Fan attendance, TV viewership and OOC wins by ACC football teams needs to be the focus. Viewership was actually relatively strong this year. If ND and PSU want to join the ACC, that will be a bonus. More importantly, we need more of the existing schools to compete for national attention in football.

Regardless of how ND and PSU acted, Swafford can’t be considered successful. Commissioners negotiate media contracts...the ACC had the highest media distribution when he started, it now has the 4th or 5th highest.

Correct.

When FSU joined the ACC, they had a higher payout than the SEC by $1 million a year. Now about to be behind by $40-$70 Million per year per team.

He was a god awful commissioner that will get the blame (rightfully so) when the ACC breaks apart at some point in the next 15 years.
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RE: Seismic change is coming
I always laugh when folks defend Swofford for being able to do a lot with schools with small football crowds.

He KEPT ADDING schools with small football crowds. Literally designed his own excuse. Ridiculous. He added schools with no value...anchors to the revenue of the conference. That isn't a DEFENSE of him....that is in large part, damaged the conference.
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