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(12-30-2020 03:24 PM)schmolik Wrote:  How much do you think the move from the Big East to the ACC hurt Syracuse? I don't know if it's necessarily just the competition although without a doubt the competition in the ACC is tougher than it was in the old Big East. I think another issue is that there isn't as much of a Northeast identity in the ACC as opposed to the old Big East and increased travel times/schedules could have taken its toll. Look at UConn's team. They got worse when they got stuck in the AAC and that conference is way worse. Yes, a lot of it was Jim Calhoun left but the same issues I just mentioned about Syracuse are the case for Connecticut and way worse. When UConn played in the AAC, instead of playing Syracuse, Villanova, and Georgetown, they're traveling to SMU, Houston, and Tulsa for road trips. Would you want to play for them? Even their women's program suffered. They haven't won a national championship or even made the final since 2016, that's an eternity for them. At least Syracuse can still sell recruits on playing the best (Duke, North Carolina, Louisville).

Pittsburgh clearly has been hurt by the ACC in (men's) basketball. Yes they'd love to have Jamie Dixon back but they were becoming mediocre before he left. Notre Dame had their great run in 2015 when they almost beat that great Kentucky team but haven't made the NCAA Tournament since 2017 and was just 3-15 in the ACC a couple seasons ago. The only 2010's Big East team that you can say is as good in the ACC as they were in the Big East is Louisville and while they are certainly further west than most ACC schools (Notre Dame the obvious exception) it does help that they are more southern than the other former Big East schools.

Pitt wasn't hurt by the ACC. Pitt's damage was entirely self-inflicted. And the prior Big East was a deeper, tougher conference than the ACC.
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(12-31-2020 08:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 05:39 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ...Coach Boeheim is a link to what I believe were the glory days of college basketball...

^^^ THIS ^^^

For whatever reason(s), college basketball has faded significantly from its glory of the 1980's, and I'm not sure it will ever get back to that level again. It will probably hang around - like baseball - but it may never again be the national pastime it once was.

Here's what is killing college basketball:

1) The NBA-ization of the game. Call freaking traveling!

2) One and done's. All the great players used to stay at least 3 years. You can't endear yourself to a guy who only plays 30 games for you. I can't imagine being a UK fan... who's our team this year?

3) Realignment. Maryland v. Rutgers is a B1G game. Really? No more Georgetown- Syracuse games is a crime. I personally used to love our rivalry with Louise-ville. Gone.
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(12-30-2020 02:21 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  This is one part of a several-part-question facing the ACC.

Replacing Boeheim.
Replacing Coach K.
Replacing Roy Williams.
Replacing Leonard Hamilton, although he has definitely found the fountain of youth down there in Florida.


All of these transitions will be big for the conference. And these will be happening sooner, rather than later.


In before Pastner says "get old and stay old."
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(12-31-2020 05:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 08:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 05:39 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ...Coach Boeheim is a link to what I believe were the glory days of college basketball...

^^^ THIS ^^^

For whatever reason(s), college basketball has faded significantly from its glory of the 1980's, and I'm not sure it will ever get back to that level again. It will probably hang around - like baseball - but it may never again be the national pastime it once was.

Here's what is killing college basketball:

1) The NBA-ization of the game. Call freaking traveling!

2) One and done's. All the great players used to stay at least 3 years. You can't endear yourself to a guy who only plays 30 games for you. I can't imagine being a UK fan... who's our team this year?

3) Realignment. Maryland v. Rutgers is a B1G game. Really? No more Georgetown- Syracuse games is a crime. I personally used to love our rivalry with Louise-ville. Gone.


A four year series between Louisville and Cincinnati was set to start this season .. but was pushed back because of COVID's effect on fans in the stands. So it's coming.
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(12-31-2020 09:43 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 03:24 PM)schmolik Wrote:  How much do you think the move from the Big East to the ACC hurt Syracuse? I don't know if it's necessarily just the competition although without a doubt the competition in the ACC is tougher than it was in the old Big East. I think another issue is that there isn't as much of a Northeast identity in the ACC as opposed to the old Big East and increased travel times/schedules could have taken its toll. Look at UConn's team. They got worse when they got stuck in the AAC and that conference is way worse. Yes, a lot of it was Jim Calhoun left but the same issues I just mentioned about Syracuse are the case for Connecticut and way worse. When UConn played in the AAC, instead of playing Syracuse, Villanova, and Georgetown, they're traveling to SMU, Houston, and Tulsa for road trips. Would you want to play for them? Even their women's program suffered. They haven't won a national championship or even made the final since 2016, that's an eternity for them. At least Syracuse can still sell recruits on playing the best (Duke, North Carolina, Louisville).

Pittsburgh clearly has been hurt by the ACC in (men's) basketball. Yes they'd love to have Jamie Dixon back but they were becoming mediocre before he left. Notre Dame had their great run in 2015 when they almost beat that great Kentucky team but haven't made the NCAA Tournament since 2017 and was just 3-15 in the ACC a couple seasons ago. The only 2010's Big East team that you can say is as good in the ACC as they were in the Big East is Louisville and while they are certainly further west than most ACC schools (Notre Dame the obvious exception) it does help that they are more southern than the other former Big East schools.

Pitt wasn't hurt by the ACC. Pitt's damage was entirely self-inflicted. And the prior Big East was a deeper, tougher conference than the ACC.

Definitely not tougher with all those guaranteed victories.
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(01-01-2021 12:25 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 05:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 08:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 05:39 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ...Coach Boeheim is a link to what I believe were the glory days of college basketball...

^^^ THIS ^^^

For whatever reason(s), college basketball has faded significantly from its glory of the 1980's, and I'm not sure it will ever get back to that level again. It will probably hang around - like baseball - but it may never again be the national pastime it once was.

Here's what is killing college basketball:

1) The NBA-ization of the game. Call freaking traveling!

2) One and done's. All the great players used to stay at least 3 years. You can't endear yourself to a guy who only plays 30 games for you. I can't imagine being a UK fan... who's our team this year?

3) Realignment. Maryland v. Rutgers is a B1G game. Really? No more Georgetown- Syracuse games is a crime. I personally used to love our rivalry with Louise-ville. Gone.


A four year series between Louisville and Cincinnati was set to start this season .. but was pushed back because of COVID's effect on fans in the stands. So it's coming.

Yeah, we may have to delay that a little more until we're worth a crap...
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(01-01-2021 02:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 09:43 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 03:24 PM)schmolik Wrote:  How much do you think the move from the Big East to the ACC hurt Syracuse? I don't know if it's necessarily just the competition although without a doubt the competition in the ACC is tougher than it was in the old Big East. I think another issue is that there isn't as much of a Northeast identity in the ACC as opposed to the old Big East and increased travel times/schedules could have taken its toll. Look at UConn's team. They got worse when they got stuck in the AAC and that conference is way worse. Yes, a lot of it was Jim Calhoun left but the same issues I just mentioned about Syracuse are the case for Connecticut and way worse. When UConn played in the AAC, instead of playing Syracuse, Villanova, and Georgetown, they're traveling to SMU, Houston, and Tulsa for road trips. Would you want to play for them? Even their women's program suffered. They haven't won a national championship or even made the final since 2016, that's an eternity for them. At least Syracuse can still sell recruits on playing the best (Duke, North Carolina, Louisville).

Pittsburgh clearly has been hurt by the ACC in (men's) basketball. Yes they'd love to have Jamie Dixon back but they were becoming mediocre before he left. Notre Dame had their great run in 2015 when they almost beat that great Kentucky team but haven't made the NCAA Tournament since 2017 and was just 3-15 in the ACC a couple seasons ago. The only 2010's Big East team that you can say is as good in the ACC as they were in the Big East is Louisville and while they are certainly further west than most ACC schools (Notre Dame the obvious exception) it does help that they are more southern than the other former Big East schools.

Pitt wasn't hurt by the ACC. Pitt's damage was entirely self-inflicted. And the prior Big East was a deeper, tougher conference than the ACC.

Definitely not tougher with all those guaranteed victories.

It was absolutely tougher, and schedules were unbalanced for the expected top teams for most of the 2000s in order to create better match ups for tv. Pitt obviously had much better teams in the 2000s, and some historically bad teams the last several years in the ACC, all its own doing, but absolutely, without a doubt, the BE was a tougher grind as far as team and talent depth and quality than anything Pitt has seen in the ACC thus far.
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(01-01-2021 06:24 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 02:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 09:43 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 03:24 PM)schmolik Wrote:  How much do you think the move from the Big East to the ACC hurt Syracuse? I don't know if it's necessarily just the competition although without a doubt the competition in the ACC is tougher than it was in the old Big East. I think another issue is that there isn't as much of a Northeast identity in the ACC as opposed to the old Big East and increased travel times/schedules could have taken its toll. Look at UConn's team. They got worse when they got stuck in the AAC and that conference is way worse. Yes, a lot of it was Jim Calhoun left but the same issues I just mentioned about Syracuse are the case for Connecticut and way worse. When UConn played in the AAC, instead of playing Syracuse, Villanova, and Georgetown, they're traveling to SMU, Houston, and Tulsa for road trips. Would you want to play for them? Even their women's program suffered. They haven't won a national championship or even made the final since 2016, that's an eternity for them. At least Syracuse can still sell recruits on playing the best (Duke, North Carolina, Louisville).

Pittsburgh clearly has been hurt by the ACC in (men's) basketball. Yes they'd love to have Jamie Dixon back but they were becoming mediocre before he left. Notre Dame had their great run in 2015 when they almost beat that great Kentucky team but haven't made the NCAA Tournament since 2017 and was just 3-15 in the ACC a couple seasons ago. The only 2010's Big East team that you can say is as good in the ACC as they were in the Big East is Louisville and while they are certainly further west than most ACC schools (Notre Dame the obvious exception) it does help that they are more southern than the other former Big East schools.

Pitt wasn't hurt by the ACC. Pitt's damage was entirely self-inflicted. And the prior Big East was a deeper, tougher conference than the ACC.

Definitely not tougher with all those guaranteed victories.

It was absolutely tougher, and schedules were unbalanced for the expected top teams for most of the 2000s in order to create better match ups for tv. Pitt obviously had much better teams in the 2000s, and some historically bad teams the last several years in the ACC, all its own doing, but absolutely, without a doubt, the BE was a tougher grind as far as team and talent depth and quality than anything Pitt has seen in the ACC thus far.

Agreed...the BE used to load Cuse up with a ton of TV games. We were everyone's Saturday night visitor. Providence got rich off us filling the Dunk with Orange.

Our games with Pitt were slogfests...you had our number

We loath Carl Krauser
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(12-31-2020 05:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 08:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 05:39 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ...Coach Boeheim is a link to what I believe were the glory days of college basketball...

^^^ THIS ^^^

For whatever reason(s), college basketball has faded significantly from its glory of the 1980's, and I'm not sure it will ever get back to that level again. It will probably hang around - like baseball - but it may never again be the national pastime it once was.

Here's what is killing college basketball:

1) The NBA-ization of the game. Call freaking traveling!

2) One and done's. All the great players used to stay at least 3 years. You can't endear yourself to a guy who only plays 30 games for you. I can't imagine being a UK fan... who's our team this year?

3) Realignment. Maryland v. Rutgers is a B1G game. Really? No more Georgetown- Syracuse games is a crime. I personally used to love our rivalry with Louise-ville. Gone.

1. I'm not sure calling more traveling would make the game better for fans

2. AGREED - it was much better when you had a couple of years to really get to know the players. Now, I honestly can't tell you who the stars of ACC basketball are this season.

3. AGREED - realignment has made all sports worse; blame the Big Ten for taking Penn State when they already had 10 teams (or blame the SEC for expanding to 12 teams - your choice). Once the genie was out of the bottle, there was no going back, though.
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(01-01-2021 06:24 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 02:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 09:43 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 03:24 PM)schmolik Wrote:  How much do you think the move from the Big East to the ACC hurt Syracuse? I don't know if it's necessarily just the competition although without a doubt the competition in the ACC is tougher than it was in the old Big East. I think another issue is that there isn't as much of a Northeast identity in the ACC as opposed to the old Big East and increased travel times/schedules could have taken its toll. Look at UConn's team. They got worse when they got stuck in the AAC and that conference is way worse. Yes, a lot of it was Jim Calhoun left but the same issues I just mentioned about Syracuse are the case for Connecticut and way worse. When UConn played in the AAC, instead of playing Syracuse, Villanova, and Georgetown, they're traveling to SMU, Houston, and Tulsa for road trips. Would you want to play for them? Even their women's program suffered. They haven't won a national championship or even made the final since 2016, that's an eternity for them. At least Syracuse can still sell recruits on playing the best (Duke, North Carolina, Louisville).

Pittsburgh clearly has been hurt by the ACC in (men's) basketball. Yes they'd love to have Jamie Dixon back but they were becoming mediocre before he left. Notre Dame had their great run in 2015 when they almost beat that great Kentucky team but haven't made the NCAA Tournament since 2017 and was just 3-15 in the ACC a couple seasons ago. The only 2010's Big East team that you can say is as good in the ACC as they were in the Big East is Louisville and while they are certainly further west than most ACC schools (Notre Dame the obvious exception) it does help that they are more southern than the other former Big East schools.

Pitt wasn't hurt by the ACC. Pitt's damage was entirely self-inflicted. And the prior Big East was a deeper, tougher conference than the ACC.

Definitely not tougher with all those guaranteed victories.

It was absolutely tougher, and schedules were unbalanced for the expected top teams for most of the 2000s in order to create better match ups for tv. Pitt obviously had much better teams in the 2000s, and some historically bad teams the last several years in the ACC, all its own doing, but absolutely, without a doubt, the BE was a tougher grind as far as team and talent depth and quality than anything Pitt has seen in the ACC thus far.

I’ve gone over this before. The ACC as a conference had a higher winning percentage than the Big East during those “glory years”.
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(01-02-2021 10:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 06:24 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 02:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 09:43 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 03:24 PM)schmolik Wrote:  How much do you think the move from the Big East to the ACC hurt Syracuse? I don't know if it's necessarily just the competition although without a doubt the competition in the ACC is tougher than it was in the old Big East. I think another issue is that there isn't as much of a Northeast identity in the ACC as opposed to the old Big East and increased travel times/schedules could have taken its toll. Look at UConn's team. They got worse when they got stuck in the AAC and that conference is way worse. Yes, a lot of it was Jim Calhoun left but the same issues I just mentioned about Syracuse are the case for Connecticut and way worse. When UConn played in the AAC, instead of playing Syracuse, Villanova, and Georgetown, they're traveling to SMU, Houston, and Tulsa for road trips. Would you want to play for them? Even their women's program suffered. They haven't won a national championship or even made the final since 2016, that's an eternity for them. At least Syracuse can still sell recruits on playing the best (Duke, North Carolina, Louisville).

Pittsburgh clearly has been hurt by the ACC in (men's) basketball. Yes they'd love to have Jamie Dixon back but they were becoming mediocre before he left. Notre Dame had their great run in 2015 when they almost beat that great Kentucky team but haven't made the NCAA Tournament since 2017 and was just 3-15 in the ACC a couple seasons ago. The only 2010's Big East team that you can say is as good in the ACC as they were in the Big East is Louisville and while they are certainly further west than most ACC schools (Notre Dame the obvious exception) it does help that they are more southern than the other former Big East schools.

Pitt wasn't hurt by the ACC. Pitt's damage was entirely self-inflicted. And the prior Big East was a deeper, tougher conference than the ACC.

Definitely not tougher with all those guaranteed victories.

It was absolutely tougher, and schedules were unbalanced for the expected top teams for most of the 2000s in order to create better match ups for tv. Pitt obviously had much better teams in the 2000s, and some historically bad teams the last several years in the ACC, all its own doing, but absolutely, without a doubt, the BE was a tougher grind as far as team and talent depth and quality than anything Pitt has seen in the ACC thus far.

I’ve gone over this before. The ACC as a conference had a higher winning percentage than the Big East during those “glory years”.

I've seen both of these conferences up close and in person. I like the ACC. It is a better conference in every other way. I want it to be the best. However, since Pitt has been a member, it just has not had the level of consistent top to bottom competitiveness in men's hoops. Really, most years it hasn't even been that close. It has certainly been down recently, and may be historically bad this year.
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(01-02-2021 10:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 06:24 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 02:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 09:43 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 03:24 PM)schmolik Wrote:  How much do you think the move from the Big East to the ACC hurt Syracuse? I don't know if it's necessarily just the competition although without a doubt the competition in the ACC is tougher than it was in the old Big East. I think another issue is that there isn't as much of a Northeast identity in the ACC as opposed to the old Big East and increased travel times/schedules could have taken its toll. Look at UConn's team. They got worse when they got stuck in the AAC and that conference is way worse. Yes, a lot of it was Jim Calhoun left but the same issues I just mentioned about Syracuse are the case for Connecticut and way worse. When UConn played in the AAC, instead of playing Syracuse, Villanova, and Georgetown, they're traveling to SMU, Houston, and Tulsa for road trips. Would you want to play for them? Even their women's program suffered. They haven't won a national championship or even made the final since 2016, that's an eternity for them. At least Syracuse can still sell recruits on playing the best (Duke, North Carolina, Louisville).

Pittsburgh clearly has been hurt by the ACC in (men's) basketball. Yes they'd love to have Jamie Dixon back but they were becoming mediocre before he left. Notre Dame had their great run in 2015 when they almost beat that great Kentucky team but haven't made the NCAA Tournament since 2017 and was just 3-15 in the ACC a couple seasons ago. The only 2010's Big East team that you can say is as good in the ACC as they were in the Big East is Louisville and while they are certainly further west than most ACC schools (Notre Dame the obvious exception) it does help that they are more southern than the other former Big East schools.

Pitt wasn't hurt by the ACC. Pitt's damage was entirely self-inflicted. And the prior Big East was a deeper, tougher conference than the ACC.

Definitely not tougher with all those guaranteed victories.

It was absolutely tougher, and schedules were unbalanced for the expected top teams for most of the 2000s in order to create better match ups for tv. Pitt obviously had much better teams in the 2000s, and some historically bad teams the last several years in the ACC, all its own doing, but absolutely, without a doubt, the BE was a tougher grind as far as team and talent depth and quality than anything Pitt has seen in the ACC thus far.

I’ve gone over this before. The ACC as a conference had a higher winning percentage than the Big East during those “glory years”.

Let them have their memories, as inaccurate as they are. It's all they have left.
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(01-01-2021 07:37 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 06:24 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 02:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 09:43 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(12-30-2020 03:24 PM)schmolik Wrote:  How much do you think the move from the Big East to the ACC hurt Syracuse? I don't know if it's necessarily just the competition although without a doubt the competition in the ACC is tougher than it was in the old Big East. I think another issue is that there isn't as much of a Northeast identity in the ACC as opposed to the old Big East and increased travel times/schedules could have taken its toll. Look at UConn's team. They got worse when they got stuck in the AAC and that conference is way worse. Yes, a lot of it was Jim Calhoun left but the same issues I just mentioned about Syracuse are the case for Connecticut and way worse. When UConn played in the AAC, instead of playing Syracuse, Villanova, and Georgetown, they're traveling to SMU, Houston, and Tulsa for road trips. Would you want to play for them? Even their women's program suffered. They haven't won a national championship or even made the final since 2016, that's an eternity for them. At least Syracuse can still sell recruits on playing the best (Duke, North Carolina, Louisville).

Pittsburgh clearly has been hurt by the ACC in (men's) basketball. Yes they'd love to have Jamie Dixon back but they were becoming mediocre before he left. Notre Dame had their great run in 2015 when they almost beat that great Kentucky team but haven't made the NCAA Tournament since 2017 and was just 3-15 in the ACC a couple seasons ago. The only 2010's Big East team that you can say is as good in the ACC as they were in the Big East is Louisville and while they are certainly further west than most ACC schools (Notre Dame the obvious exception) it does help that they are more southern than the other former Big East schools.

Pitt wasn't hurt by the ACC. Pitt's damage was entirely self-inflicted. And the prior Big East was a deeper, tougher conference than the ACC.

Definitely not tougher with all those guaranteed victories.

It was absolutely tougher, and schedules were unbalanced for the expected top teams for most of the 2000s in order to create better match ups for tv. Pitt obviously had much better teams in the 2000s, and some historically bad teams the last several years in the ACC, all its own doing, but absolutely, without a doubt, the BE was a tougher grind as far as team and talent depth and quality than anything Pitt has seen in the ACC thus far.

Agreed...the BE used to load Cuse up with a ton of TV games. We were everyone's Saturday night visitor. Providence got rich off us filling the Dunk with Orange.

Our games with Pitt were slogfests...you had our number

We loath Carl Krauser

Dixon's teams were a clinic in how to break the 2-3. You couldn't intentionally destroy a program more effectively than what Pitt did to itself.

Pitt has a history of administratively blowing up successful programs. Saw it in football in the 80s and 90s. Looks awfully familiar to what were seeing at fsu.
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(01-01-2021 06:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 12:25 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 05:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 08:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 05:39 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ...Coach Boeheim is a link to what I believe were the glory days of college basketball...

^^^ THIS ^^^

For whatever reason(s), college basketball has faded significantly from its glory of the 1980's, and I'm not sure it will ever get back to that level again. It will probably hang around - like baseball - but it may never again be the national pastime it once was.

Here's what is killing college basketball:

1) The NBA-ization of the game. Call freaking traveling!

2) One and done's. All the great players used to stay at least 3 years. You can't endear yourself to a guy who only plays 30 games for you. I can't imagine being a UK fan... who's our team this year?

3) Realignment. Maryland v. Rutgers is a B1G game. Really? No more Georgetown- Syracuse games is a crime. I personally used to love our rivalry with Louise-ville. Gone.


A four year series between Louisville and Cincinnati was set to start this season .. but was pushed back because of COVID's effect on fans in the stands. So it's coming.

Yeah, we may have to delay that a little more until we're worth a crap...


Well ... we have the NCAA's sword of Damacles hanging over our heads (thanks Pitino, you d*ck). And it should be hitting us by the end of this season .... so we may not HAVE a teams worth a damn to play you ....
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We have some fans wanting Rick P. to replace Jim B. after Buddy graduates. I'd be willing to listen... might be a nice 5-7 year stint for both parties.
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(01-02-2021 07:03 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 06:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 12:25 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 05:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 08:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ^^^ THIS ^^^

For whatever reason(s), college basketball has faded significantly from its glory of the 1980's, and I'm not sure it will ever get back to that level again. It will probably hang around - like baseball - but it may never again be the national pastime it once was.

Here's what is killing college basketball:

1) The NBA-ization of the game. Call freaking traveling!

2) One and done's. All the great players used to stay at least 3 years. You can't endear yourself to a guy who only plays 30 games for you. I can't imagine being a UK fan... who's our team this year?

3) Realignment. Maryland v. Rutgers is a B1G game. Really? No more Georgetown- Syracuse games is a crime. I personally used to love our rivalry with Louise-ville. Gone.


A four year series between Louisville and Cincinnati was set to start this season .. but was pushed back because of COVID's effect on fans in the stands. So it's coming.

Yeah, we may have to delay that a little more until we're worth a crap...


Well ... we have the NCAA's sword of Damacles hanging over our heads (thanks Pitino, you d*ck). And it should be hitting us by the end of this season .... so we may not HAVE a teams worth a damn to play you ....

Funny how U. of Florida can get hit by the NCAA, even have a show cause order for their head coach and no one hears anything about it until a year later after it's over. So that it does the minimum damage to recruiting. Meanwhile UNC and Louisville have to wait years for their punishments to come down seemingly to do the maximum damage to recruiting.
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(01-02-2021 10:41 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(01-02-2021 07:03 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 06:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(01-01-2021 12:25 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(12-31-2020 05:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Here's what is killing college basketball:

1) The NBA-ization of the game. Call freaking traveling!

2) One and done's. All the great players used to stay at least 3 years. You can't endear yourself to a guy who only plays 30 games for you. I can't imagine being a UK fan... who's our team this year?

3) Realignment. Maryland v. Rutgers is a B1G game. Really? No more Georgetown- Syracuse games is a crime. I personally used to love our rivalry with Louise-ville. Gone.


A four year series between Louisville and Cincinnati was set to start this season .. but was pushed back because of COVID's effect on fans in the stands. So it's coming.

Yeah, we may have to delay that a little more until we're worth a crap...


Well ... we have the NCAA's sword of Damacles hanging over our heads (thanks Pitino, you d*ck). And it should be hitting us by the end of this season .... so we may not HAVE a teams worth a damn to play you ....

Funny how U. of Florida can get hit by the NCAA, even have a show cause order for their head coach and no one hears anything about it until a year later after it's over. So that it does the minimum damage to recruiting. Meanwhile UNC and Louisville have to wait years for their punishments to come down seemingly to do the maximum damage to recruiting.

So easy to hate the Gators - they get so much preferential treatment.
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Me watching UNC fans complain about fans of the Old Big East ....

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(01-03-2021 07:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Me watching UNC fans complain about fans of the Old Big East ....

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03-lmfao zactly

Both leagues were awesome...I just thought the Big East was more awesomer

It had a level of excitement and grit not found since
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Another thread derailed (almost always by Syracuse fans) trying to tout the importance of the Big East, which was a regional conference whose importance only existed because of the New York centered media.
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