(12-24-2020 11:27 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 10:55 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  In a minute. UAB and GaSt would be some damn fun basketball

Currently in FB and MBB, my university has zero standing to complain about CUSA. MT has been awful in both sports for the last couple of years. But, Does the Sun Belt even play basketball? With exception of Ga. State, since Western and Middle left the Sun Belt I'd say the Sun Belt sucks in BB as well.

In the last six seasons the sun belt has a higher RPI and Massey rating than the CUSA. Has travel partners to help with east-west travel and has just as many NCAA bids as CUSA.

The top half of each conference is comparable year end and year out since the last conference realignment. The problem for both and the perception of both are the bottom halves of the conference that our only staying FBS to chase money from the cable/satellite TV deal boom in the mid 00's early 10's. These schools do not have the resources or desire to do get better, but their big donors and alumni don't want them to go back to FCS. These teams hurt the perception for NCAAT bids, bowl contracts, and tv contracts for the programs in the conference that are dedicated to winning, but are kept from taking the next step by having atrocious conference revenue streams due to bad tv and bowl contracts, and limited tourney credits due to the one bid league perception.

The top half of each conference, east and west, should merge leaving the teams that are FBS for the sake of being FBS to have their own FBS conference.

According to Jeff Sagarin, the top half of CUSA and the top half of the Sun Belt aren’t comparable at all. This is the conference ratings for this season. If bowls were taken into account, the SBC East would be the top ranked G5 division:

1. SEC - West
2. Big 12
3. PAC 12 - South
4. Big 10 - East
5. Big 10 - West
6. SEC - East
7. PAC 12 - North
8. ACC - Coastal
9. ACC - Atlantic
10. AAC
11. Sun Belt - East
12. MWC - West
13. MWC - Mountian
14. FBS Ind.
15. MAC - West
16. MAC - East
17. CUSA - West
18. Sun Belt - West
19. CUSA - East

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

So according to this, CUSA’s top is at the same level as the Sun Belt’s bottom. Don’t shoot the messenger, but this idea that the two conferences are neck and neck year in, year out is not the case.

For the record, we were never FCS. We were, however, tied down for 30+ years by a president that didn't place any priorities on athletics thereby missing out on financial opportunities that are no longer in play.

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(12-24-2020 01:01 PM)SlickRick12 Wrote:  For the record, we were never FCS. We were, however, tied down for 30+ years by a president that didn't place any priorities on athletics thereby missing out on financial opportunities that are no longer in play.

I, like many fans on this site would prefer seeing a merger or even a split between the belt and cusa. Rivalries bring in more money. Proximity has and always will create and foster rivalries in team competitions. It's time to drop the egos at the door and realign geographically.

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(12-24-2020 12:06 PM)everyone Wrote:  The SB will never pull any teams from CUSA. I would prefer to be in the SB but that will only happen with a "merger/re-shuffle" of sorts due to tv money increase which also is not going to happen. You want to get crazy. Form the Playoff Alliance and merge the SB, MAC, CUSA and MW. Have an 8 team playoff for G5 Champion at year end. It's the only way to make some money since everyone wants to watch a playoff and the AAC can just chase their P6 fantasy.

I'm afraid that would be suicide. It's exactly what the big conferences want. On a micro level, the SBC and CUSA just need to reshuffle the membership into regional entities. On a macro level, all of the small conferences need to fight for a six-team playoff, and an automatic bid into that playoff.

I don’t see any incentive for the Sun Belt to reshuffle with CUSA. The tv viewership numbers posted on the AAC board are eye opening. Someone mentioned earlier about our “bad ESPN tv contract and Tuesday/Wednesday night games”. I’d challenge them to look over the tv ratings and also see how many games we actually played on those days. We had a unique opportunity this year and capitalized and firmly distinguished the brand of the conference.

Does that mean a layman will say “oh that’s Texas State, from the Sun Belt”? Of course not. Nearly all of the teams in our two conferences are largely interchangeable. However I do believe the “Sun Belt” early success over the Big12, and Coastal’s success and App’s last year have absolutely established the Sun Belt brand firmly in front of CUSA from a football perspective. A simple search of social media of either conference supports that. The Sun Belt is “physical, gritty” and a conference of teams that topple P5’s.

Could that change, of course. But right now I don’t see benefit for the Sun Belt to reshuffle with CUSA. Add? Maybe. But only football first programs that have strong, consistent attendance and a history of success. Otherwise I’d be completely happy staying put. I love our conference right now.

SB would be a step up right now plus we'd have 2 rivalry game much closer than the s**thole of a division we're currently in. CUSA issue is one of leadership at the conference office level & this yr shows it plainly. All year you basically had no leadership/voice from the league office other than everyone is on their own so you saw that effect. All other leagues came together as a league to make a unified plan/decision on what to do & backup plans to those - here nothing. Crappy tv contract where fans can't watch games & very little exposure to national audience. SB had better revenue & exposure tv contract.

Lack of leadership is causing this league to become a FCS league fast. Nero is fiddling & those supporting her can't see it for the trees in the forest.

(12-24-2020 02:26 PM)blazerwkr Wrote:  SB would be a step up right now plus we'd have 2 rivalry game much closer than the s**thole of a division we're currently in. CUSA issue is one of leadership at the conference office level & this yr shows it plainly. All year you basically had no leadership/voice from the league office other than everyone is on their own so you saw that effect. All other leagues came together as a league to make a unified plan/decision on what to do & backup plans to those - here nothing. Crappy tv contract where fans can't watch games & very little exposure to national audience. SB had better revenue & exposure tv contract.

Lack of leadership is causing this league to become a FCS league fast. Nero is fiddling & those supporting her can't see it for the trees in the forest.

It’s still a great conference IMO. Your bowl tie-ins destroy ours. Someone in leadership made the very poor decision to overextend the conference and it’s created a clump of dead weight that’s also a geographic nightmare.

If you were to clip CUSA down to a 10 team conference like the Sun Belt is now, depending on who you cut, it could be a highly competitive conference on par with the current Belt.

clt says one conference has 73% of all their fans posting on another conference’s chat page.


that is all you need to know.

(12-24-2020 02:50 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says one conference has 73% of all their fans posting on another conference’s chat page.


that is all you need to know.

We are trying to keep your numbers up. It’d be dead over here otherwise.

(12-24-2020 02:26 PM)blazerwkr Wrote:  SB would be a step up right now plus we'd have 2 rivalry game much closer than the s**thole of a division we're currently in. CUSA issue is one of leadership at the conference office level & this yr shows it plainly. All year you basically had no leadership/voice from the league office other than everyone is on their own so you saw that effect. All other leagues came together as a league to make a unified plan/decision on what to do & backup plans to those - here nothing. Crappy tv contract where fans can't watch games & very little exposure to national audience. SB had better revenue & exposure tv contract.

Lack of leadership is causing this league to become a FCS league fast. Nero is fiddling & those supporting her can't see it for the trees in the forest.

How do you blame the current leadership for something UAB and the other CUSA2.0 voted on? Your school and the other holdovers voted to kick espn in the nuts and stick their middle finger up their ass while doing so.

ESPN thought they had a agreed upon deal when CUSA 2.0 said not so fast and went with Fox because they were willing to pay more. Of course Fox was willing to do that because they were the new kid in town and needed sports content.

Like always (espn and SBC 1.0)once they get started and buy more content...those in the door first are also the first out that door. Fox needed CUSA to get started. ESPN needed the SBC basketball when they started.

Once what is todays P5 signed...SBC was gone. Same with Fox and CUSA

The current leadership had nothing to do with espn now saying f-you and we are the ones kicking you in the nuts and bending you over so you can take it all straight up the ass. ESPN is selling content cheaper CBSSN. Content that they are paying pennies for. Content CBSSN is paying less for than the contract with CUSA.

With the current make up of CUSA crapping the bed in football and not doing much better in basketball. Its lucky they can piece together a TV/Media deal that pays each member $400k a year..

I dont know about UAB or the rest of CUSA but Western had every football and basketball game on some form of media that I can watch on my TV. That will also go for the remainder of the basketball season.

So complain all you want about the current leadership but their hands are tied by each of our schools not doing crap in football. Their hands are tied by the ****** way CUSA did espn in the past......

but as a fan that wants to watch their team play. home and away....

no team in this conference had it better at any point in their past. Its not the leaderships fault a very average UAB football team can win the conference championship. Its that way because as we have seen over three bowl games. We all stink in football this season.

We are trying to keep your numbers up. It’d be dead over here otherwise.
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You do have a point

(12-24-2020 01:01 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  According to Jeff Sagarin, the top half of CUSA and the top half of the Sun Belt aren’t comparable at all. This is the conference ratings for this season. If bowls were taken into account, the SBC East would be the top ranked G5 division:

1. SEC - West
2. Big 12
3. PAC 12 - South
4. Big 10 - East
5. Big 10 - West
6. SEC - East
7. PAC 12 - North
8. ACC - Coastal
9. ACC - Atlantic
10. AAC
11. Sun Belt - East
12. MWC - West
13. MWC - Mountian
14. FBS Ind.
15. MAC - West
16. MAC - East
17. CUSA - West
18. Sun Belt - West
19. CUSA - East

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

So according to this, CUSA’s top is at the same level as the Sun Belt’s bottom. Don’t shoot the messenger, but this idea that the two conferences are neck and neck year in, year out is not the case.

I may have not been as clear, your rankings show that the Sun Belt East is the better division, which I wouldn't argue. App has been the highest ranked team between the two conferences the last several years. The fact that the top 5-6 from each conference would be a competitive conference that is better than the current iteration of either conference was my point. Using the data you provided to argue against it would be saying that the Cajuns are in the bottom half of your conference, which as they've shown the past two seasons is far from the case. I know during the off-season there was a debate on here where the past five season football and mbb rankings were taken into account and those numbers showed a pretty even split of sun belt and CUSA schools at the top that would be the most competitive conference if a merger were to occur.

What if we just disband? Immediately puts the scumbags in the front office out of work. Those teams that can get drafted to another conference, do, and the remnants either form something or drop down a division.. All G5 money is now split as G4 to help absorb some new members.

This experiment is over!

(12-24-2020 11:43 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  There is reason why Sunbelt fans flood this board.

Horrible academics, terrible basketball and basketball attendance, pitiful bowl tie-ins, all in with a horrible ESPN contract, Tuesday and Wednesday night games and saturday games on ESPN 3 /+

Yes their football has gotten better but that doesn’t replace 25 years of being the cellar conference and the other pitiful attributes.

It took the worst Tech football team in recent history for the Sunbelt to finally get their first win against Tech.

Excuse me..? Georgia State operates with over $200 mil research spending within $1bil+ annual operating budget. It's the largest T1 research institution in Georgia with over 52k undergrads.

I mean, if compared to Georgia Tech or Emory, you could have a point. But horrible academics..by what standard? Not sure many CUSA schools have T1 research classifications alongside respected law schools and business schools.

Also, what was that about basketball? Pretty sure we'll be game to play anyone in CUSA or the entire mid-major..or some P5 for that matter.

(12-24-2020 01:01 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  According to Jeff Sagarin, the top half of CUSA and the top half of the Sun Belt aren’t comparable at all. This is the conference ratings for this season. If bowls were taken into account, the SBC East would be the top ranked G5 division:

1. SEC - West
2. Big 12
3. PAC 12 - South
4. Big 10 - East
5. Big 10 - West
6. SEC - East
7. PAC 12 - North
8. ACC - Coastal
9. ACC - Atlantic
10. AAC
11. Sun Belt - East
12. MWC - West
13. MWC - Mountian
14. FBS Ind.
15. MAC - West
16. MAC - East
17. CUSA - West
18. Sun Belt - West
19. CUSA - East

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

So according to this, CUSA’s top is at the same level as the Sun Belt’s bottom. Don’t shoot the messenger, but this idea that the two conferences are neck and neck year in, year out is not the case.

It did feel like CUSA East took a step back this year, even with its worst program sitting it out. Looks like East went over the cliff.

I think West bottomed out a couple of years back and will continue trending upwards. East, however, has many programs seemingly going in the wrong direction.

Top half of C-USA will likely look different in 2021.

Good grief. Gloating galore during the good years, and end of the world during the bad. I enjoy sports social networking sites except for the overreactions. Things are never as good as they seem, nor as bad. Imagine we'll see another ten or so realignment threads during the offseason again. Yay.

(12-24-2020 02:50 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says one conference has 73% of all their fans posting on another conference’s chat page.


that is all you need to know.

How else will you realize that you suck unless someone else reveals it to you?

The difference between CUSA and the SBC this year (and 2019) is the very same difference between CUSA and the SBC 2015 and 2016....

QB play. CUSA has zero star power playing qb this year while the SBC has what CUSA had in 2015 and 2016. Stars playing qb that can destroy a defense.

2015
Jeff Driskel
Brandon Doughty
Rakeem Cato

2016
Mike White
Ryan Higgins
Brent Stockstill

Add to that some of the top producing WR's

2020
Grayson McCall
Zac Thomas
Levi Lewis

Take those 3 away the SBC becomes very average just as CUSA this year. Only the drop in QB from 2015/16 to 2020 is like falling off a cliff. There is no top for CUSA this season only the middle and bottom.

There was not a SBC team that would have stayed with in 14 points of the top 3 CUSA schools in 2015 or 2016. Nope, not even their champs, 11-2 or 10-3 Appy St team. Offense was just that good in CUSA. This year it was very poor