(12-22-2020 09:37 PM)Duggie35 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 08:41 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 08:07 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  I don’t think it’ll just be Boise. I wonder if BYU is warming to the idea of an AAC that’s a clear favorite among G5 conferences.

Coastal had a great year and was still largely considered lesser than Cincinnati mostly due to conference affiliation.

If the AAC pushes west and adds say Boise, SDSU and BYU, it would cripple the MWC and make us, the MAC and CUSA third class citizens for good.

BYU will never join a G5 conference, not even the AAC.

That's one reason they left the MWC when Utah got invited to the Pac-12. BYU was not going to stay in the shadow of a P5 Utah.... and they're not about to now.

Plus, I think for them it's either Playoff/NY6 or bust. They can accomplish that easier staying as an independent and playing a bunch of P5's every season, instead of playing an AAC schedule where they'll NEVER be given access to the CFP.

BYU will never get to a NY6 Bowl as an Independent. That team MUST be the highest ranked G5 Conference Champion!

BYU can get to the NY6 as an at-large if they're ranked in the Top 8. The top-ranked G5 team would still get their NY6 bid regardless.

(12-22-2020 08:07 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  I don’t think it’ll just be Boise. I wonder if BYU is warming to the idea of an AAC that’s a clear favorite among G5 conferences.

Coastal had a great year and was still largely considered lesser than Cincinnati mostly due to conference affiliation.

If the AAC pushes west and adds say Boise, SDSU and BYU, it would cripple the MWC and make us, the MAC and CUSA third class citizens for good.

For my money, I think Boise St, BYU, Colorado State and AirForce make a geographically tight western pod.

Adds another service academy in Air Force and solid academic institution in CSU. Air Force has been pretty clear about not wanting to be in a far-flung conference so this pod might help change their mind.

Then the AAC at 13 would probably invite UAB.

By that point UTEP and NMSU would surely have been rescued from their island by MWC.

CUSA, at 12, would lose a great program and some deadweight at the same time. Still ahead of the MAC, maybe even the depleted MWC.

But at that point the Sun Belt would pick up the pace of separation from those 3 conferences considerably.

(12-22-2020 08:21 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 08:11 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 08:07 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  I don’t think it’ll just be Boise. I wonder if BYU is warming to the idea of an AAC that’s a clear favorite among G5 conferences.

Coastal had a great year and was still largely considered lesser than Cincinnati mostly due to conference affiliation.

If the AAC pushes west and adds say Boise, SDSU and BYU, it would cripple the MWC and make us, the MAC and CUSA third class citizens for good.

I think Coastal having one good year was a big factor - probably more so than the SBC. No doubt that Cincinatti's past performances and AAC's P6 push has helped them.

I think if App State was in the same position as Coastal this season they would have been given more respect and perhaps enough to challenge Cincinnati more.

That’s fair. And hopefully the top of our conference (App, Coastal, Louisiana) can continue to push us up into that conversation.

Reality still remains though, the AAC owns the NY6 bowl. Adding Boise, one of the few G5 powers outside the AAC, would be detrimental to the rest of us from a perception perspective. And as we saw this past week, perception matters.

I'd like to see the Sun Belt extend an offer to NDSU for football only in response. Not sure they'll accept but...

Sorry Troy, Ark state, and even Ga state. You were left out of any future contributions to the conference as a slight to GS.

(12-22-2020 04:58 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The AAC is discussion adding Boise St for football only. If that were to happen, NMSU May finally have a home to move to. If the AAC added them, it would bring them to 12 in football.

I’m hoping this means NMSU gets there spot.

Is this being discussed outside the AAC boards 11 threads?

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(12-22-2020 08:41 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 08:07 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  I don’t think it’ll just be Boise. I wonder if BYU is warming to the idea of an AAC that’s a clear favorite among G5 conferences.

Coastal had a great year and was still largely considered lesser than Cincinnati mostly due to conference affiliation.

If the AAC pushes west and adds say Boise, SDSU and BYU, it would cripple the MWC and make us, the MAC and CUSA third class citizens for good.

BYU will never join a G5 conference, not even the AAC.

That's one reason they left the MWC when Utah got invited to the Pac-12. BYU was not going to stay in the shadow of a P5 Utah.... and they're not about to now.

Plus, I think for them it's either Playoff/NY6 or bust. They can accomplish that easier staying as an independent and playing a bunch of P5's every season, instead of playing an AAC schedule where they'll NEVER be given access to the CFP.

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(12-25-2020 10:31 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 04:58 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The AAC is discussion adding Boise St for football only. If that were to happen, NMSU May finally have a home to move to. If the AAC added them, it would bring them to 12 in football.

I’m hoping this means NMSU gets there spot.

Is this being discussed outside the AAC boards 11 threads?

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It was on an ESPN crawl, that’s why I posted it.

(12-22-2020 07:06 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Do we move to #2 in the G5 pecking order if Boise leaves for the AAC in football?

Already have, according to Massey. If the top 3 from this season carries over to 2021 and the bottom brings it up we could be pulling up square with the AAC. The Sun Belt had three teams in the Top 32 according to Massey Composite and I believe that is in line with where the AAC is.

(12-25-2020 12:08 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 10:31 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 04:58 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The AAC is discussion adding Boise St for football only. If that were to happen, NMSU May finally have a home to move to. If the AAC added them, it would bring them to 12 in football.

I’m hoping this means NMSU gets there spot.

Is this being discussed outside the AAC boards 11 threads?

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It was on an ESPN crawl, that’s why I posted it.

I'll never understand the appeal of this. They are 21 hours drive away from Tulsa which would likely be a division conference game. As a Boise fan would I really care about playing Memphis or Temple?

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(12-25-2020 12:18 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 07:06 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Do we move to #2 in the G5 pecking order if Boise leaves for the AAC in football?

Already have, according to Massey. If the top 3 from this season carries over to 2021 and the bottom brings it up we could be pulling up square with the AAC. The Sun Belt had three teams in the Top 32 according to Massey Composite and I believe that is in line with where the AAC is.

Might just be time to start talking about poaching Navy, Cincy and Temple from the AAC nowadays?

(12-26-2020 01:34 AM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 12:18 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 07:06 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Do we move to #2 in the G5 pecking order if Boise leaves for the AAC in football?

Already have, according to Massey. If the top 3 from this season carries over to 2021 and the bottom brings it up we could be pulling up square with the AAC. The Sun Belt had three teams in the Top 32 according to Massey Composite and I believe that is in line with where the AAC is.

Might just be time to start talking about poaching Navy, Cincy and Temple from the AAC nowadays?

If in fact Boise is #12, nobody is leaving.

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(12-26-2020 10:38 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-26-2020 01:34 AM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-25-2020 12:18 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 07:06 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Do we move to #2 in the G5 pecking order if Boise leaves for the AAC in football?

Already have, according to Massey. If the top 3 from this season carries over to 2021 and the bottom brings it up we could be pulling up square with the AAC. The Sun Belt had three teams in the Top 32 according to Massey Composite and I believe that is in line with where the AAC is.

Might just be time to start talking about poaching Navy, Cincy and Temple from the AAC nowadays?

If in fact Boise is #12, nobody is leaving.

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USF and UCF are going to really enjoy that November trip to Boise.....

From their own news Outlet it looks like Boise has been working on all sports and the AAC is saying football only.

https://www.ktvb.com/amp/article/sports/...8b4ab6d308

Seems like more of a media intrigue story than real news.

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Boise St really isn’t in a position to make demands. They are not getting into the PAC12, and if they want a different conference for football, they have to play the game with the AAC. They are a prisoner for their location, much like NMSU has been.

(12-24-2020 09:18 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 08:07 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  I don’t think it’ll just be Boise. I wonder if BYU is warming to the idea of an AAC that’s a clear favorite among G5 conferences.

Coastal had a great year and was still largely considered lesser than Cincinnati mostly due to conference affiliation.

If the AAC pushes west and adds say Boise, SDSU and BYU, it would cripple the MWC and make us, the MAC and CUSA third class citizens for good.

For my money, I think Boise St, BYU, Colorado State and AirForce make a geographically tight western pod.

Adds another service academy in Air Force and solid academic institution in CSU. Air Force has been pretty clear about not wanting to be in a far-flung conference so this pod might help change their mind.

Then the AAC at 13 would probably invite UAB.

By that point UTEP and NMSU would surely have been rescued from their island by MWC.

CUSA, at 12, would lose a great program and some deadweight at the same time. Still ahead of the MAC, maybe even the depleted MWC.

But at that point the Sun Belt would pick up the pace of separation from those 3 conferences considerably.

In a fictional world where CUSA lost UTEP and UAB at the same time, I think you'd see a lot of pressure on the CUSA side for a geographic realignment

(12-26-2020 12:36 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Boise St really isn’t in a position to make demands. They are not getting into the PAC12, and if they want a different conference for football, they have to play the game with the AAC. They are a prisoner for their location, much like NMSU has been.

Even more so than NMSU. NMSU is in El Paso. Boise is in Canada.

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(12-26-2020 12:44 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 09:18 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 08:07 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  I don’t think it’ll just be Boise. I wonder if BYU is warming to the idea of an AAC that’s a clear favorite among G5 conferences.

Coastal had a great year and was still largely considered lesser than Cincinnati mostly due to conference affiliation.

If the AAC pushes west and adds say Boise, SDSU and BYU, it would cripple the MWC and make us, the MAC and CUSA third class citizens for good.

For my money, I think Boise St, BYU, Colorado State and AirForce make a geographically tight western pod.

Adds another service academy in Air Force and solid academic institution in CSU. Air Force has been pretty clear about not wanting to be in a far-flung conference so this pod might help change their mind.

Then the AAC at 13 would probably invite UAB.

By that point UTEP and NMSU would surely have been rescued from their island by MWC.

CUSA, at 12, would lose a great program and some deadweight at the same time. Still ahead of the MAC, maybe even the depleted MWC.

But at that point the Sun Belt would pick up the pace of separation from those 3 conferences considerably.

In a fictional world where CUSA lost UTEP and UAB at the same time, I think you'd see a lot of pressure on the CUSA side for a geographic realignment

That is definitely alternate universe stuff.

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If Boise leaves, they may not go after NMSU, but UTEP, and then C-USA might go after TXST. I think TXST would accept. From there I don't know what the SB would do, but I would want a play for Marshall.

WV? No

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(12-27-2020 08:54 AM)panama Wrote:  WV? No

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Because it stretches geography out too much? I don't think that is at all unreasonable. One of the SB's strengths over C-USA is tighter geography.

Please don't say it's because they aren't in a big market or that they don't have a strong football pedigree.

I don't think the ex-SB members bring that much value (well, MTSU and EKU in basketball do a little). USM would be a great get. UAB would, too, but I don't think they'd ever have interest.

I think adding UAB would be a huge boon for the conference. Gives GaSt a really really similar rival. Troy and USA would be selling out stadiums. Conference BBall would jump in RPI, etc.