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Big Ten Men's Basketball Coach Job Desirability
I started one for football, now one for men's basketball.

1. Illinois (Yes, I'm biased. The right head coach can get all of the top Chicago area talent. It looks like Brad Underwood is finally taking advantage.)

2. Michigan State (The best program now but try replacing Tom Izzo. The talent isn't as good and you have to share it with a pretty decent program in Michigan.)

3. Wisconsin

4. Ohio State

5. Indiana (Basketball crazed state, plenty of talent, tough part is the expectations.)

6. Maryland (DC area although big competition from Virginia I'm guessing.)

7. Michigan (They've been clearly the second banana in the state throughout the Izzo era but they're still pretty competitive in the Big Ten year in and year out).

8. Purdue (If Indiana got their act together, this job would sink. On the other hand, Bobby Knight and Gene Keady were both successful for decades vs. each other so there is enough talent in Indiana for both schools to be good.)

9. Rutgers (They got the area but there's also other schools in the area.)

10. Northwestern (If Illinois has a competent coach he will outrecruit Northwestern who has higher academic standards and a worse fanbase in the Chicago area. They've been pretty lucky with Chris Collins.)

11. Iowa (Luka Garza's a once in a lifetime player. Does anyone believe Iowa will be a top 10 team once he leaves?)

12. Penn State (Villanova's lapping them in Philly. They have a chance in Pittsburgh with Pitt down).

13. Minnesota (It's one thing to be the second most important sport on campus like men's basketball is at Ohio State or Penn State. It's another to be the second most important sport in campus during the winter!)

14. Nebraska (The school has literally never won an NCAA men's basketball game. Even Northwestern has. If men's basketball governed college recruitment, Nebraska would still be in the Big 12.)
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RE: Big Ten Men's Basketball Coach Job Desirability
What makes a job desireable? Pedigree? Recruiting? Fanbase? Expectations? Arena? Salary?
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(12-19-2020 12:59 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  What makes a job desireable? Pedigree? Recruiting? Fanbase? Expectations? Arena? Salary?

All of the above.
12-19-2020 01:11 PM
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RE: Big Ten Men's Basketball Coach Job Desirability
1. Michigan State - two national championships under two legendary HCs; great facilities; a basketball first school.

2. Indiana - three national championships under Bobby Knight; expectations may be unrealistic like UCLA; but if you can win in Bloomington, this is probably the best school to coach in the Big Ten; a basketball first school.

3. Maryland - one national championship under HOF HC Gary Williams; another HOF HC in Lefty Drisell; Midnight Madness was started in College Park; talent rich area; a basketball first school.

4. Michigan - one national championship and 14 Big Ten titles; a football first school.

5. Purdue - 24 Big Ten championships in a basketball crazy state.

6. Wisconsin - becoming a basketball school; pretty impressive feat considering the state isn't regarded as being rich in talent.

7. Ohio State - an occassional basketball power; a football first school.

8. Illinois - an infrequent basketball power, because it competes against NW, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Indiana, De Paul, Loyola, Marquette, etc. for Chicago area talent.

9. Rutgers - the state school of New Jersey generally mocked for bad HC hires and not being able to mine the basketball talent in New Jersey; Steve Pikiell is the first decent HC since Tom Young.

10. Iowa - if they can successfully recruit Chicago area talent, then Iowa can be very good.

11. Penn State - same issues as Rutgers; hasn't been able to find the right HC.

12. Minnesota - hockey is a more popular winter sport.

13. Nebraska - they play basktball in Nebraska?

14. NW - academic standards are too high; an Ivy League school in the wrong conference.
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1. Michigan State - This is hard because Izzo has been there for so long but that may be an indication of how great a job it is.
2. Ohio State - High compensation, high historical performance, high institutional and fan support. Kind of like MSU-lite.
3. Michigan - Similar to Ohio State. Lower due to having MSU in-state as competition. OSU doesn't have competition like that (sorry Xavier, Dayton, and Cincinnati).
4. Indiana - This was tough. Maybe they should be a spot or two lower but they have the history and support. The problem is unrealistic expectations. Underachieving for years compared to their historical highs makes the demand to get back to the top a heavy weight around a coach's shoulders.
5. Maryland - Good history, good recruiting footprint.
6. Wisconsin - Good history with strong institutional support.
7. Illinois - Good recruiting footprint. Should be higher but it seems the school has deemphasized sports and/or has a budget problem. Could be awesome with the right people in charge.
8. Iowa - Not a bad job but nothing to make it a destination for coaches.
9. Minnesota - A lot like Iowa but maybe a better location but worse support due to hockey. Solid history.
10. Purdue - Overachiever which has institutional support. Juggernaut of an in-state rival that overshadows everything. Ceiling feels limited or at least extremely harder to win big at. The compromise is that coaches won't get fired the first year they don't make a Sweet Sixteen.
11. Rutgers - The institutional support is there (for now) but the athletics department has been a real dumpster fire. No history of success. The saving grace is things that can't be changed like location and recruiting footprint are the best so the foundation will always be there for success if the changeable parts line up.
12. Nebraska - No history, little recruiting footprint but great support from the school and fans. Obviously really hard to win there.
13. Penn State - Should be much higher but the institution seems to not care with low spending (money goes to wrestling and hockey) and accepting mediocre results. No history of success. Lots of in-state and surrounding competition.
14. Northwestern - No history of success. High academic standards limit recruiting even with Chicago in the backyard. More like Vanderbilt than Duke. If the institutional support was more like their football program, they would have a higher floor and ceiling. Overall, not a terrible job but the Big Ten is a great conference.
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RE: Big Ten Men's Basketball Coach Job Desirability
With the Indiana and Minnesota jobs now open, we can discuss this more now.

As for jobs currently open, what about Chris Collins at Northwestern? The last two years they were 8-22 and 9-15 and 3-17 and 6-13 in the Big Ten. They've had four sub .500 overall seasons overall which is hard to do in the Big Ten. Still Chris is the only head coach ever to lead Northwestern to the NCAA Tournament and Northwestern likely won't find anyone better to take the job.
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(12-20-2020 10:37 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  1. Michigan State - This is hard because Izzo has been there for so long but that may be an indication of how great a job it is.
2. Ohio State - High compensation, high historical performance, high institutional and fan support. Kind of like MSU-lite.
3. Michigan - Similar to Ohio State. Lower due to having MSU in-state as competition. OSU doesn't have competition like that (sorry Xavier, Dayton, and Cincinnati).
4. Indiana - This was tough. Maybe they should be a spot or two lower but they have the history and support. The problem is unrealistic expectations. Underachieving for years compared to their historical highs makes the demand to get back to the top a heavy weight around a coach's shoulders.
5. Maryland - Good history, good recruiting footprint.
6. Wisconsin - Good history with strong institutional support.
7. Illinois - Good recruiting footprint. Should be higher but it seems the school has deemphasized sports and/or has a budget problem. Could be awesome with the right people in charge.
8. Iowa - Not a bad job but nothing to make it a destination for coaches.
9. Minnesota - A lot like Iowa but maybe a better location but worse support due to hockey. Solid history.
10. Purdue - Overachiever which has institutional support. Juggernaut of an in-state rival that overshadows everything. Ceiling feels limited or at least extremely harder to win big at. The compromise is that coaches won't get fired the first year they don't make a Sweet Sixteen.
11. Rutgers - The institutional support is there (for now) but the athletics department has been a real dumpster fire. No history of success. The saving grace is things that can't be changed like location and recruiting footprint are the best so the foundation will always be there for success if the changeable parts line up.
12. Nebraska - No history, little recruiting footprint but great support from the school and fans. Obviously really hard to win there.
13. Penn State - Should be much higher but the institution seems to not care with low spending (money goes to wrestling and hockey) and accepting mediocre results. No history of success. Lots of in-state and surrounding competition.
14. Northwestern - No history of success. High academic standards limit recruiting even with Chicago in the backyard. More like Vanderbilt than Duke. If the institutional support was more like their football program, they would have a higher floor and ceiling. Overall, not a terrible job but the Big Ten is a great conference.

Penn State's lack of success in basketball is a head scratcher......
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