The unofficial online home for fans of the University of Cincinnati Bearcats. Part of Collegiate Sports Nation (CSN).

(12-22-2020 11:58 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Expand the playoffs to 8 (P5 conference champions, 1 G5 rep, and 2 wildcards with seeding determined by BCS rankings), invite Cincy to the ACC, and save college football

This is what I think will happen. I'd add first-round games at top four seeds' home stadiums. I'd love to see a USC or Alabama have to play a December game in Madison, Columbus or Nippert.

Sixteen is just too much. I just don't think there's much desire outside of hardcore G5 partisans to see a three loss Sunbelt champ get fisted by Nick Saban in the first round.

(12-22-2020 06:32 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 01:20 PM)dsquare Wrote:  He's right on with the comment re: health of the sport. If competitiveness of the teams in other conferences/etc is relevant, then ND should never get in either. They lose about every game they play a real power team. That Clemson win without their qb and 3 or 4 other starters was bogus and everybody knew it. Let some other teams take a crack at it, and the easy way to do it is expand the field. Nobody likes a sport where the underdog doesn't get a chance.

Absolutely! He doesn’t go into details from what I recall but a 16 Team Playoff with every Conference Champ getting an autobid with 6 at large bids would be perfect. I don’t see it happening, but that would be the best for the sport overall.

The only hole I can poke in this is, what would stop the B1G from splitting into two conferences to get more bids? What would stop mini conferences from popping up? The mega conferences would be at a disadvantage.

8-Team playoff this year:
1. Alabama (SEC)
2. Clemson (ACC)
3. Ohio State (Big Ten)
4. Notre Dame (At-Large)
5. Texas A&M (At-Large)
6. Oklahoma (Big 12)
7. Cincinnati (High G5)
8. Oregon (Pac 12)

16-Team this year (with CC Stipulation and no more than 3 per conference):
1. Alabama (SEC)
2. Clemson (ACC)
3. Ohio State (Big Ten)
4. Notre Dame (At-Large)
5. Texas A&M (At Large)
6. Oklahoma (Big 12
7. Florida (At-Large)
8. Cincinnati (AAC)
9. Iowa State (At-Large)
10. Indiana (At-Large)
11. Coastal Carolina (SBC)
12. North Carolina (At-Large)
13. Oregon (Pac 12)
14. San Jose State (MWC)
15. Ball State (MAC)
16. UAB (C-USA)

If they go to 8 teams, I don't think they would require a G5, but I think there should be an easier path and maybe a stipulation that in they are in the top 12 or something they get in. Would you really think it would be fair for the top G5 to be like a 10-2 UC or Coastal Carolina as the AAC and the non-conference schedules could make that a possibility and honestly would it be fair? Just like a 10-2 Pac 12 champ that was ranked like 18th shouldn't get in either if you make it all the conference champions.

I guess if they give the P5 champs an auto bid, then they should give the top G5 an auto bid too. But at 8 teams, I think there will be many years too many undeserving teams could get in. Lots of options though even at 8.

(12-23-2020 09:29 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  If they go to 8 teams, I don't think they would require a G5, but I think there should be an easier path and maybe a stipulation that in they are in the top 12 or something they get in. Would you really think it would be fair for the top G5 to be like a 10-2 UC or Coastal Carolina as the AAC and the non-conference schedules could make that a possibility and honestly would it be fair? Just like a 10-2 Pac 12 champ that was ranked like 18th shouldn't get in either if you make it all the conference champions.

I guess if they give the P5 champs an auto bid, then they should give the top G5 an auto bid too. But at 8 teams, I think there will be many years too many undeserving teams could get in. Lots of options though even at 8.

Thats why I think 16 Teams will be the best, and final, solution. My HOPE is that they realize that BEFORE they expand to 6 or 8, so we stop getting all of this stupid in-between BS.

(12-23-2020 09:15 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  8-Team playoff this year:
1. Alabama (SEC)
2. Clemson (ACC)
3. Ohio State (Big Ten)
4. Notre Dame (At-Large)
5. Texas A&M (At-Large)
6. Oklahoma (Big 12)
7. Cincinnati (High G5)
8. Oregon (Pac 12)

16-Team this year (with CC Stipulation and no more than 3 per conference):
1. Alabama (SEC)
2. Clemson (ACC)
3. Ohio State (Big Ten)
4. Notre Dame (At-Large)
5. Texas A&M (At Large)
6. Oklahoma (Big 12
7. Florida (At-Large)
8. Cincinnati (AAC)
9. Iowa State (At-Large)
10. Indiana (At-Large)
11. Coastal Carolina (SBC)
12. North Carolina (At-Large)
13. Oregon (Pac 12)
14. San Jose State (MWC)
15. Ball State (MAC)
16. UAB (C-USA)

Looking at your rankings on the 16 teamer you get a couple of bad games and then a lot of what I think would be great games.

Alabama over UAB
Clemson over Ball State
OSU over San Jose State
Oregon Notre Dame would be a toss up a lot of years
A&M over North Carolina
Oklahoma Coastal Carolina Toss up
Florida Indiana Toss Up
Cincinnati Iowa State obviously we win

Bama over Cincinnati
Clemson over Florida
OSU Oklahoma toss up
A&M over Notre Dame

Bama over A&M
Clemson over Oklahoma/OSU

Bama over Clemson.

So in essence we end up with the exact same result as whats gonna happen anyways, but the playoff gets an additional 12 games. After 5 or 6 years, your Alabamas and Clemsons would hopefully not be as dominant and you'd start seeing more upsets, especially in round 2.

You have to include a G5 spot, or else magically someone like UC would drop to #9 in an 8 team playoff.

(12-23-2020 09:45 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 09:15 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  8-Team playoff this year:
1. Alabama (SEC)
2. Clemson (ACC)
3. Ohio State (Big Ten)
4. Notre Dame (At-Large)
5. Texas A&M (At-Large)
6. Oklahoma (Big 12)
7. Cincinnati (High G5)
8. Oregon (Pac 12)

16-Team this year (with CC Stipulation and no more than 3 per conference):
1. Alabama (SEC)
2. Clemson (ACC)
3. Ohio State (Big Ten)
4. Notre Dame (At-Large)
5. Texas A&M (At Large)
6. Oklahoma (Big 12
7. Florida (At-Large)
8. Cincinnati (AAC)
9. Iowa State (At-Large)
10. Indiana (At-Large)
11. Coastal Carolina (SBC)
12. North Carolina (At-Large)
13. Oregon (Pac 12)
14. San Jose State (MWC)
15. Ball State (MAC)
16. UAB (C-USA)

Looking at your rankings on the 16 teamer you get a couple of bad games and then a lot of what I think would be great games.

Alabama over UAB
Clemson over Ball State
OSU over San Jose State
Oregon Notre Dame would be a toss up a lot of years
A&M over North Carolina
Oklahoma Coastal Carolina Toss up
Florida Indiana Toss Up
Cincinnati Iowa State obviously we win

Bama over Cincinnati
Clemson over Florida
OSU Oklahoma toss up
A&M over Notre Dame

Bama over A&M
Clemson over Oklahoma/OSU

Bama over Clemson.

So in essence we end up with the exact same result as whats gonna happen anyways, but the playoff gets an additional 12 games. After 5 or 6 years, your Alabamas and Clemsons would hopefully not be as dominant and you'd start seeing more upsets, especially in round 2.

Yep...I think the thing a 16 team playoff would do is really clear up the issue we're seeing now whereby only 2 teams really compete for the NC every year. Would those two teams still probably be the best two teams? Sure...but you would be able to sell the opportunity to compete at ANY school, which could make the recruiting disparity seen now be corrected in the future.

Really, that 16 teamer does turn out to be a lot like an NCAAT Regional bracket if you think about it. The 3-14 through 7-10 games have potential to be upsets, the 8-9 game seems pretty even, and there cod be some fun in the next rounds too. I really don't understand how anyone who genuinely likes college football could argue against this with a legitimate argument.

(12-23-2020 09:45 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 09:15 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  8-Team playoff this year:
1. Alabama (SEC)
2. Clemson (ACC)
3. Ohio State (Big Ten)
4. Notre Dame (At-Large)
5. Texas A&M (At-Large)
6. Oklahoma (Big 12)
7. Cincinnati (High G5)
8. Oregon (Pac 12)

16-Team this year (with CC Stipulation and no more than 3 per conference):
1. Alabama (SEC)
2. Clemson (ACC)
3. Ohio State (Big Ten)
4. Notre Dame (At-Large)
5. Texas A&M (At Large)
6. Oklahoma (Big 12
7. Florida (At-Large)
8. Cincinnati (AAC)
9. Iowa State (At-Large)
10. Indiana (At-Large)
11. Coastal Carolina (SBC)
12. North Carolina (At-Large)
13. Oregon (Pac 12)
14. San Jose State (MWC)
15. Ball State (MAC)
16. UAB (C-USA)

Looking at your rankings on the 16 teamer you get a couple of bad games and then a lot of what I think would be great games.

Alabama over UAB
Clemson over Ball State
OSU over San Jose State
Oregon Notre Dame would be a toss up a lot of years
A&M over North Carolina
Oklahoma Coastal Carolina Toss up
Florida Indiana Toss Up
Cincinnati Iowa State obviously we win

Bama over Cincinnati
Clemson over Florida
OSU Oklahoma toss up
A&M over Notre Dame

Bama over A&M
Clemson over Oklahoma/OSU

Bama over Clemson.

So in essence we end up with the exact same result as whats gonna happen anyways, but the playoff gets an additional 12 games. After 5 or 6 years, your Alabamas and Clemsons would hopefully not be as dominant and you'd start seeing more upsets, especially in round 2.

It's an interesting simulation here of how this could play out.

One could argue under the current system, the NY6 bowls--as great a showcase as the Peach is for UC, are essentially throwaway games with no championship significance. Imagine if UC vs. GA was actually for a chance to advance? Would UC rather put a "Peach Bowl" graphic up in Nippert or a "National Championship Quarter Finalist" one? Any system where undefeated conference champions are excluded from the opportunity to compete for a championship is inherently flawed.

I posted somewhere earlier this week to just take 10 teams...
P5 conf champs, G5 rep, 4 at larges...
No more than 2 per conf...
Give #1 and #2 a bye to the semis so that the season, polls, committee are involved...
Let 3 - 10 play the first two rounds and the survivors get to the semis...

Would look like this with the rankings above

Byes: Alabama and Clemson

3 OSU vs 10 Oregon
6 Okla vs 7 UC
4 ND vs 9 Indiana
5 Texas A&M vs 8 Iowa St

3 OSU vs 7 UC
4 ND vs 5 A&M

1 Alabama vs OSU/UC winner
2 Clemson vs ND/A&M winner

Florida stays home because the ACC already has 2 teams before getting to them
Coastal Carolina is excluded because a Pac10 team has a spot guaranteed (that could be remedied by saying any G5 team that bumps a P5 gets to stay)

IMO, you get better early games with more potential "upsets", the committee and the polls stay relevant because the big prize is being #1 or #2 and all groups are guaranteed a seat at the table.

(12-23-2020 11:38 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  I posted somewhere earlier this week to just take 10 teams...
P5 conf champs, G5 rep, 4 at larges...
No more than 2 per conf...
Give #1 and #2 a bye to the semis so that the season, polls, committee are involved...
Let 3 - 10 play the first two rounds and the survivors get to the semis...

Would look like this with the rankings above

Byes: Alabama and Clemson

3 OSU vs 10 Oregon
6 Okla vs 7 UC
4 ND vs 9 Indiana
5 Texas A&M vs 8 Iowa St

3 OSU vs 7 UC
4 ND vs 5 A&M

1 Alabama vs OSU/UC winner
2 Clemson vs ND/A&M winner

Florida stays home because the ACC already has 2 teams before getting to them
Coastal Carolina is excluded because a Pac10 team has a spot guaranteed (that could be remedied by saying any G5 team that bumps a P5 gets to stay)

IMO, you get better early games with more potential "upsets", the committee and the polls stay relevant because the big prize is being #1 or #2 and all groups are guaranteed a seat at the table.

I like that idea, but I'd punt on the 2 team max. Most years the SEC has 3-4 top 10 teams and if you are putting in a 2 loss Pac 12 team that is barely ranked in the top 25 and maybe there are no other conferences with another good representative and you wind up with maybe a team like Florida that lost 1 game to Bama in the AAC title game and also a team like A&M that only lost to Bama, so 2 one loss SEC teams and Bama, but one of them has to stay home because an 10-2 Wisconsin who is ranked 15th gets in because of the 2 team max. An who gets that 2nd spot? What if A&M lost at Bama by 3 and Florida lost in the SEC title game to Bama by 10. Does A&M get in or would Florida get in as the loser in the final? All 3 would be top 5-7 teams, but would get left out. The ACC rarely has a 2nd top team, same with Pac 12. Big 12 does some years, but not always. Same with Big 10. Have a hard time rewarding a 2nd place team in another P5 conference that is not deserving for a team that has a legit shot to win it all.

The SEC would never sign off on that model and not sure the others would either in case they had years with 3 top 10 teams and 1 is left out because of it. If you have 6 locks, then I say open up the final 4 spots to the best teams, regardless of conference.

I know there's been a ton of media bashing the committee lately and talk of expanding the playoff has heated up, but I don't see why those in charge would do something like that.

The minute they guarantee a bid to the highest G5, 70%-80% of the P5 would lose a recruiting edge to schools like Cincinnati.

Obviously we want that, but the cartel doesn't.

The only real selling point a Purdue/Illinois/Iowa/Nebraska/Wisconsin/Kentucky/Tennessee/Missouri/Arkansas/etc. has over us is that they play better competition week-in and week-out. The path to a playoff would be so much easier at Cincinnati than any of those schools, they'll immediately lose a recruiting edge (which, admittedly, Fick/Freeman are starting break down anyway).

I just don't see it happening any time soon barring some sort of lawsuit or government action.

(12-23-2020 12:04 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 11:38 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  I posted somewhere earlier this week to just take 10 teams...
P5 conf champs, G5 rep, 4 at larges...
No more than 2 per conf...
Give #1 and #2 a bye to the semis so that the season, polls, committee are involved...
Let 3 - 10 play the first two rounds and the survivors get to the semis...

Would look like this with the rankings above

Byes: Alabama and Clemson

3 OSU vs 10 Oregon
6 Okla vs 7 UC
4 ND vs 9 Indiana
5 Texas A&M vs 8 Iowa St

3 OSU vs 7 UC
4 ND vs 5 A&M

1 Alabama vs OSU/UC winner
2 Clemson vs ND/A&M winner

Florida stays home because the ACC already has 2 teams before getting to them
Coastal Carolina is excluded because a Pac10 team has a spot guaranteed (that could be remedied by saying any G5 team that bumps a P5 gets to stay)

IMO, you get better early games with more potential "upsets", the committee and the polls stay relevant because the big prize is being #1 or #2 and all groups are guaranteed a seat at the table.

I like that idea, but I'd punt on the 2 team max. Most years the SEC has 3-4 top 10 teams and if you are putting in a 2 loss Pac 12 team that is barely ranked in the top 25 and maybe there are no other conferences with another good representative and you wind up with maybe a team like Florida that lost 1 game to Bama in the AAC title game and also a team like A&M that only lost to Bama, so 2 one loss SEC teams and Bama, but one of them has to stay home because an 10-2 Wisconsin who is ranked 15th gets in because of the 2 team max. An who gets that 2nd spot? What if A&M lost at Bama by 3 and Florida lost in the SEC title game to Bama by 10. Does A&M get in or would Florida get in as the loser in the final? All 3 would be top 5-7 teams, but would get left out. The ACC rarely has a 2nd top team, same with Pac 12. Big 12 does some years, but not always. Same with Big 10. Have a hard time rewarding a 2nd place team in another P5 conference that is not deserving for a team that has a legit shot to win it all.

The SEC would never sign off on that model and not sure the others would either in case they had years with 3 top 10 teams and 1 is left out because of it. If you have 6 locks, then I say open up the final 4 spots to the best teams, regardless of conference.

I'd be fine with that as well... but just to play devil's advocate, why reward a team that could not win it's own division? Yes, I know Alabama is a beast or Clemson or OSU, but if you want to join a super conference then you take your lumps. As for the team that loses in the conf championship, even in a rout, if that is your only loss you're not going to fall out of the Top 10 anyway. My thought was to make room for the NC State vs Houston type upset in the Hoops tourney type thing. It may only happen once in a quarter century but it's good tv and fun to watch and root for.

IMO, if the goal is to only invite teams with a legit chance to win the championship then there's no reason to change the current model. No one outside of their own team/coaching staff believes that FL or A&M is better than Alabama. Nor does anyone think ND is better than Clemson or IU or Northwestern or Wisconsin is better than OSU so save the debates and controversy and take the top 4 finishing champions and leave the 2nd place teams and the 5th strongest P5 champ and most likely the G5 rep out.

(12-23-2020 12:44 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 12:04 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 11:38 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  I posted somewhere earlier this week to just take 10 teams...
P5 conf champs, G5 rep, 4 at larges...
No more than 2 per conf...
Give #1 and #2 a bye to the semis so that the season, polls, committee are involved...
Let 3 - 10 play the first two rounds and the survivors get to the semis...

Would look like this with the rankings above

Byes: Alabama and Clemson

3 OSU vs 10 Oregon
6 Okla vs 7 UC
4 ND vs 9 Indiana
5 Texas A&M vs 8 Iowa St

3 OSU vs 7 UC
4 ND vs 5 A&M

1 Alabama vs OSU/UC winner
2 Clemson vs ND/A&M winner

Florida stays home because the ACC already has 2 teams before getting to them
Coastal Carolina is excluded because a Pac10 team has a spot guaranteed (that could be remedied by saying any G5 team that bumps a P5 gets to stay)

IMO, you get better early games with more potential "upsets", the committee and the polls stay relevant because the big prize is being #1 or #2 and all groups are guaranteed a seat at the table.

I like that idea, but I'd punt on the 2 team max. Most years the SEC has 3-4 top 10 teams and if you are putting in a 2 loss Pac 12 team that is barely ranked in the top 25 and maybe there are no other conferences with another good representative and you wind up with maybe a team like Florida that lost 1 game to Bama in the AAC title game and also a team like A&M that only lost to Bama, so 2 one loss SEC teams and Bama, but one of them has to stay home because an 10-2 Wisconsin who is ranked 15th gets in because of the 2 team max. An who gets that 2nd spot? What if A&M lost at Bama by 3 and Florida lost in the SEC title game to Bama by 10. Does A&M get in or would Florida get in as the loser in the final? All 3 would be top 5-7 teams, but would get left out. The ACC rarely has a 2nd top team, same with Pac 12. Big 12 does some years, but not always. Same with Big 10. Have a hard time rewarding a 2nd place team in another P5 conference that is not deserving for a team that has a legit shot to win it all.

The SEC would never sign off on that model and not sure the others would either in case they had years with 3 top 10 teams and 1 is left out because of it. If you have 6 locks, then I say open up the final 4 spots to the best teams, regardless of conference.

I'd be fine with that as well... but just to play devil's advocate, why reward a team that could not win it's own division? Yes, I know Alabama is a beast or Clemson or OSU, but if you want to join a super conference then you take your lumps. As for the team that loses in the conf championship, even in a rout, if that is your only loss you're not going to fall out of the Top 10 anyway. My thought was to make room for the NC State vs Houston type upset in the Hoops tourney type thing. It may only happen once in a quarter century but it's good tv and fun to watch and root for.

IMO, if the goal is to only invite teams with a legit chance to win the championship then there's no reason to change the current model. No one outside of their own team/coaching staff believes that FL or A&M is better than Alabama. Nor does anyone think ND is better than Clemson or IU or Northwestern or Wisconsin is better than OSU so save the debates and controversy and take the top 4 finishing champions and leave the 2nd place teams and the 5th strongest P5 champ and most likely the G5 rep out.

In your own scenario you wouldn't be rewarding a team who did just that and game Alabama their most competitive game. I think you have to allow for 3 from a conference, and the only way to do that is by pushing to 16.

(12-23-2020 12:47 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 12:44 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 12:04 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 11:38 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  I posted somewhere earlier this week to just take 10 teams...
P5 conf champs, G5 rep, 4 at larges...
No more than 2 per conf...
Give #1 and #2 a bye to the semis so that the season, polls, committee are involved...
Let 3 - 10 play the first two rounds and the survivors get to the semis...

Would look like this with the rankings above

Byes: Alabama and Clemson

3 OSU vs 10 Oregon
6 Okla vs 7 UC
4 ND vs 9 Indiana
5 Texas A&M vs 8 Iowa St

3 OSU vs 7 UC
4 ND vs 5 A&M

1 Alabama vs OSU/UC winner
2 Clemson vs ND/A&M winner

Florida stays home because the ACC already has 2 teams before getting to them
Coastal Carolina is excluded because a Pac10 team has a spot guaranteed (that could be remedied by saying any G5 team that bumps a P5 gets to stay)

IMO, you get better early games with more potential "upsets", the committee and the polls stay relevant because the big prize is being #1 or #2 and all groups are guaranteed a seat at the table.

I like that idea, but I'd punt on the 2 team max. Most years the SEC has 3-4 top 10 teams and if you are putting in a 2 loss Pac 12 team that is barely ranked in the top 25 and maybe there are no other conferences with another good representative and you wind up with maybe a team like Florida that lost 1 game to Bama in the AAC title game and also a team like A&M that only lost to Bama, so 2 one loss SEC teams and Bama, but one of them has to stay home because an 10-2 Wisconsin who is ranked 15th gets in because of the 2 team max. An who gets that 2nd spot? What if A&M lost at Bama by 3 and Florida lost in the SEC title game to Bama by 10. Does A&M get in or would Florida get in as the loser in the final? All 3 would be top 5-7 teams, but would get left out. The ACC rarely has a 2nd top team, same with Pac 12. Big 12 does some years, but not always. Same with Big 10. Have a hard time rewarding a 2nd place team in another P5 conference that is not deserving for a team that has a legit shot to win it all.

The SEC would never sign off on that model and not sure the others would either in case they had years with 3 top 10 teams and 1 is left out because of it. If you have 6 locks, then I say open up the final 4 spots to the best teams, regardless of conference.

I'd be fine with that as well... but just to play devil's advocate, why reward a team that could not win it's own division? Yes, I know Alabama is a beast or Clemson or OSU, but if you want to join a super conference then you take your lumps. As for the team that loses in the conf championship, even in a rout, if that is your only loss you're not going to fall out of the Top 10 anyway. My thought was to make room for the NC State vs Houston type upset in the Hoops tourney type thing. It may only happen once in a quarter century but it's good tv and fun to watch and root for.

IMO, if the goal is to only invite teams with a legit chance to win the championship then there's no reason to change the current model. No one outside of their own team/coaching staff believes that FL or A&M is better than Alabama. Nor does anyone think ND is better than Clemson or IU or Northwestern or Wisconsin is better than OSU so save the debates and controversy and take the top 4 finishing champions and leave the 2nd place teams and the 5th strongest P5 champ and most likely the G5 rep out.

In your own scenario you wouldn't be rewarding a team who did just that and game Alabama their most competitive game. I think you have to allow for 3 from a conference, and the only way to do that is by pushing to 16.

IMO if the scenario is to go with a two team limit, it's the two teams from the conf championship game. In other words, win your division to play for a National Championship.

If the mindset is to go to a 3 from a conf max and keep the all conf champs mandate, this scenario plays out and IMO is just as good/entertaining/legitimate:

Byes: Alabama (SEC guar) and Clemson (ACC guar)
3 OSU (B1G guar) vs 10 Oregon (PAC 12 guar)
6 Okla (Big XII guar) vs 7 Fla (SEC #3)
4 ND (ACC #2) vs 9 Iowa State (B12 #2)
5 Texas A&M (SEC #2) vs 8 Cincinnati (G5 Guar)

Then, going by the seeds
3 OSU vs 6 Okla
4 ND vs 5 A&M

1 Alabama vs OSU/Okla winner
2 Clemson vs ND/A&M winner

#10 - #12 (IU, Coastal, NC) stay home to make room for the Pac 12 winner
Other than that and assuming no upsets, the exact same Top 4 is left but every conf and "top" team had it's shot.

Does anyone want to see AL kill Ball State, etc.?

I would go with 12 teams.

1. 1-4 get a bye
2. 12 @ 5, 11 @ 6, 10 @ 7, 9 @ 8
3. Then @1 get (9-8), @2 gets (10-7), @3 gets (11-6), @4 gets (12-5)
4. Then as Joe says "You know the drill"

(12-23-2020 09:29 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  If they go to 8 teams, I don't think they would require a G5, but I think there should be an easier path and maybe a stipulation that in they are in the top 12 or something they get in. Would you really think it would be fair for the top G5 to be like a 10-2 UC or Coastal Carolina as the AAC and the non-conference schedules could make that a possibility and honestly would it be fair? Just like a 10-2 Pac 12 champ that was ranked like 18th shouldn't get in either if you make it all the conference champions.

I guess if they give the P5 champs an auto bid, then they should give the top G5 an auto bid too. But at 8 teams, I think there will be many years too many undeserving teams could get in. Lots of options though even at 8.

The problem with setting a ranking requirement is that the committee can simply manipulate the rankings. We need a clearcut black and white path without the ability of a biased committee to take it away for whatever reason they want.

(12-23-2020 09:42 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 09:29 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  If they go to 8 teams, I don't think they would require a G5, but I think there should be an easier path and maybe a stipulation that in they are in the top 12 or something they get in. Would you really think it would be fair for the top G5 to be like a 10-2 UC or Coastal Carolina as the AAC and the non-conference schedules could make that a possibility and honestly would it be fair? Just like a 10-2 Pac 12 champ that was ranked like 18th shouldn't get in either if you make it all the conference champions.

I guess if they give the P5 champs an auto bid, then they should give the top G5 an auto bid too. But at 8 teams, I think there will be many years too many undeserving teams could get in. Lots of options though even at 8.

Thats why I think 16 Teams will be the best, and final, solution. My HOPE is that they realize that BEFORE they expand to 6 or 8, so we stop getting all of this stupid in-between BS.

16 is definitely the best option with equal opportunity for everyone. Unfortunately I just don’t think we can get enough momentum to go from 4 to 16. I hope I’m wrong and think that is the ultimate goal, but we may have to settle for 8.

(12-23-2020 01:53 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 09:42 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 09:29 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  If they go to 8 teams, I don't think they would require a G5, but I think there should be an easier path and maybe a stipulation that in they are in the top 12 or something they get in. Would you really think it would be fair for the top G5 to be like a 10-2 UC or Coastal Carolina as the AAC and the non-conference schedules could make that a possibility and honestly would it be fair? Just like a 10-2 Pac 12 champ that was ranked like 18th shouldn't get in either if you make it all the conference champions.

I guess if they give the P5 champs an auto bid, then they should give the top G5 an auto bid too. But at 8 teams, I think there will be many years too many undeserving teams could get in. Lots of options though even at 8.

Thats why I think 16 Teams will be the best, and final, solution. My HOPE is that they realize that BEFORE they expand to 6 or 8, so we stop getting all of this stupid in-between BS.

16 is definitely the best option with equal opportunity for everyone. Unfortunately I just don’t think we can get enough momentum to go from 4 to 16. I hope I’m wrong and think that is the ultimate goal, but we may have to settle for 8.

Completely agree...I guess I just don't see how the NCAA can get a $1.2B/year contract for the NCAAT every year and the people on charge of the CFP, who almost exclusively care about money, wouldn't immediately go, "Hey, I like denominations of American Dollars that start with the letter B...let's go get that."

8 teams wouldn’t change anything. Would just mean 4 more P5 teams. They’d just slow play moving G5 teams up.

16 seems like a lot until you consider that about 19% of all D1 basketball programs will make March Madness (depressing when on the wrong side of that 19%)...16 would be about 12% of the 130 FBS programs. Doesn’t seem to be a prohibitively high percentage comparatively.