(03-06-2021 06:29 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Congratulations to Virginia on winning the regular season title. It probably comes with an asterisk as they didn't play the same number of games, Virginia and Florida State have the same number of losses and Florida State beat Virginia pretty handily. I guess this year the tournament will be a better judge as to the best team in the ACC is (assuming one of the top teams win it).

Right now, Duke and North Carolina are playing and to me this is what makes me an ACC fan and a college basketball fan. I hate that both teams are both poor. These teams should be battling for a #1 seed and for the ACC title, not battling just to get into the tournament. Imagine if Michigan and Ohio State were playing in November and one was 5-6 and the other was 6-5. I think I heard during the Illinois game that seeing this rivalry in person should be on your bucket list and it's on mine. This is why I want Villanova in the ACC.

Actually it comes with nothing. It's not a real title.

This was decided back in 1961 and is still the rule. The appellation "Regular Season Champs" is an honorific nothing more.

But don't take my word for it here is Al Featherston with perhaps the best indepth on this issue:

https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/201.../champions

Well they talked about the upcoming ACC "Championship" during the Duke/North Carolina game.

Six teams won it in the last decade, the usual suspects (North Carolina, Duke, Virginia) along with Notre Dame, Florida State, and Miami.

Three other teams have won it before, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, and NC State.

The only former Big East team to have won the ACC Tournament is Notre Dame.

Only one original ACC member has never won the ACC Tournament.

How bad is Clemson in men's basketball? Since the ACC Tournament began in 1954, they've only made the final TWO times (and before Florida State joined there were eight teams so to make the final you only had to win two games)! The link mentions Clemson's 1990 ACC regular season title. That was the only time Clemson won the ACC regular season title. You can use the regular season title or tournament, it doesn't matter, Clemson can't win either way. What a dead weight. Why do we have them in the conference? Oh right, that other sport.

(03-06-2021 10:36 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Well they talked about the upcoming ACC "Championship" during the Duke/North Carolina game.

Six teams won it in the last decade, the usual suspects (North Carolina, Duke, Virginia) along with Notre Dame, Florida State, and Miami.

Three other teams have won it before, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, and NC State.

The only former Big East team to have won the ACC Tournament is Notre Dame.

Only one original ACC member has never won the ACC Tournament.

How bad is Clemson in men's basketball? Since the ACC Tournament began in 1954, they've only made the final TWO times (and before Florida State joined there were eight teams so to make the final you only had to win two games)! The link mentions Clemson's 1990 ACC regular season title. That was the only time Clemson won the ACC regular season title. You can use the regular season title or tournament, it doesn't matter, Clemson can't win either way. What a dead weight. Why do we have them in the conference? Oh right, that other sport.

Schmolik,

I know you follow several ACC schools, but its not a good look to trash Acc schools on their own board.

(03-07-2021 08:43 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 10:36 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Well they talked about the upcoming ACC "Championship" during the Duke/North Carolina game.

Six teams won it in the last decade, the usual suspects (North Carolina, Duke, Virginia) along with Notre Dame, Florida State, and Miami.

Three other teams have won it before, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, and NC State.

The only former Big East team to have won the ACC Tournament is Notre Dame.

Only one original ACC member has never won the ACC Tournament.

How bad is Clemson in men's basketball? Since the ACC Tournament began in 1954, they've only made the final TWO times (and before Florida State joined there were eight teams so to make the final you only had to win two games)! The link mentions Clemson's 1990 ACC regular season title. That was the only time Clemson won the ACC regular season title. You can use the regular season title or tournament, it doesn't matter, Clemson can't win either way. What a dead weight. Why do we have them in the conference? Oh right, that other sport.

Schmolik,

I know you follow several ACC schools, but its not a good look to trash Acc schools on their own board.

There's another thread where several posters acted like Syracuse didn't belong in the ACC or wasn't wanted. Was that OK? Is it only bad when non ACC fans bash ACC schools? Is it only bad when someone bashes the golden goose of the ACC?

(03-07-2021 08:50 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-07-2021 08:43 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 10:36 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Well they talked about the upcoming ACC "Championship" during the Duke/North Carolina game.

Six teams won it in the last decade, the usual suspects (North Carolina, Duke, Virginia) along with Notre Dame, Florida State, and Miami.

Three other teams have won it before, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, and NC State.

The only former Big East team to have won the ACC Tournament is Notre Dame.

Only one original ACC member has never won the ACC Tournament.

How bad is Clemson in men's basketball? Since the ACC Tournament began in 1954, they've only made the final TWO times (and before Florida State joined there were eight teams so to make the final you only had to win two games)! The link mentions Clemson's 1990 ACC regular season title. That was the only time Clemson won the ACC regular season title. You can use the regular season title or tournament, it doesn't matter, Clemson can't win either way. What a dead weight. Why do we have them in the conference? Oh right, that other sport.

Schmolik,

I know you follow several ACC schools, but its not a good look to trash Acc schools on their own board.

There's another thread where several posters acted like Syracuse didn't belong in the ACC or wasn't wanted. Was that OK? Is it only bad when non ACC fans bash ACC schools? Is it only bad when someone bashes the golden goose of the ACC?

I dont care if ACC members bash SU. SU is in the ACC and aint nothing they can do about it, lol. SU is the only new ACC program that has managed to win 10 games in fb and go to a final four. SU is pulling its weight in this league even after a 1-10 finish in fb last season. Truth be told, Im still not loving SU in the ACC. But when ACC fans bash other ACC schools, thats one thing. Now when visitors bash ACC schools, on an ACC board, thats another thing in itself. I would not be well received if I went to the BIG board and started trashing one its programs. You are a very intelligent guy. Im sure you can see that reasoning.

(03-07-2021 10:22 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-07-2021 08:50 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-07-2021 08:43 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 10:36 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Well they talked about the upcoming ACC "Championship" during the Duke/North Carolina game.

Six teams won it in the last decade, the usual suspects (North Carolina, Duke, Virginia) along with Notre Dame, Florida State, and Miami.

Three other teams have won it before, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, and NC State.

The only former Big East team to have won the ACC Tournament is Notre Dame.

Only one original ACC member has never won the ACC Tournament.

How bad is Clemson in men's basketball? Since the ACC Tournament began in 1954, they've only made the final TWO times (and before Florida State joined there were eight teams so to make the final you only had to win two games)! The link mentions Clemson's 1990 ACC regular season title. That was the only time Clemson won the ACC regular season title. You can use the regular season title or tournament, it doesn't matter, Clemson can't win either way. What a dead weight. Why do we have them in the conference? Oh right, that other sport.

Schmolik,

I know you follow several ACC schools, but its not a good look to trash Acc schools on their own board.

There's another thread where several posters acted like Syracuse didn't belong in the ACC or wasn't wanted. Was that OK? Is it only bad when non ACC fans bash ACC schools? Is it only bad when someone bashes the golden goose of the ACC?

I dont care if ACC members bash SU. SU is in the ACC and aint nothing they can do about it, lol. SU is the only new ACC program that has managed to win 10 games in fb and go to a final four. SU is pulling its weight in this league even after a 1-10 finish in fb last season. Truth be told, Im still not loving SU in the ACC. But when ACC fans bash other ACC schools, thats one thing. Now when visitors bash ACC schools, on an ACC board, thats another thing in itself. I would not be well received if I went to the BIG board and started trashing one its programs. You are a very intelligent guy. Im sure you can see that reasoning.

Nah, come and trash Rutgers, Nebraska, and Northwestern all you want. I'll join you:) Besides, compared to this board the BIG board is kind of dead, we can use some liveliness!

(03-07-2021 10:22 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-07-2021 08:50 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-07-2021 08:43 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 10:36 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Well they talked about the upcoming ACC "Championship" during the Duke/North Carolina game.

Six teams won it in the last decade, the usual suspects (North Carolina, Duke, Virginia) along with Notre Dame, Florida State, and Miami.

Three other teams have won it before, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, and NC State.

The only former Big East team to have won the ACC Tournament is Notre Dame.

Only one original ACC member has never won the ACC Tournament.

How bad is Clemson in men's basketball? Since the ACC Tournament began in 1954, they've only made the final TWO times (and before Florida State joined there were eight teams so to make the final you only had to win two games)! The link mentions Clemson's 1990 ACC regular season title. That was the only time Clemson won the ACC regular season title. You can use the regular season title or tournament, it doesn't matter, Clemson can't win either way. What a dead weight. Why do we have them in the conference? Oh right, that other sport.

Schmolik,

I know you follow several ACC schools, but its not a good look to trash Acc schools on their own board.

There's another thread where several posters acted like Syracuse didn't belong in the ACC or wasn't wanted. Was that OK? Is it only bad when non ACC fans bash ACC schools? Is it only bad when someone bashes the golden goose of the ACC?

I dont care if ACC members bash SU. SU is in the ACC and aint nothing they can do about it, lol. SU is the only new ACC program that has managed to win 10 games in fb and go to a final four. SU is pulling its weight in this league even after a 1-10 finish in fb last season. Truth be told, Im still not loving SU in the ACC. But when ACC fans bash other ACC schools, thats one thing. Now when visitors bash ACC schools, on an ACC board, thats another thing in itself. I would not be well received if I went to the BIG board and started trashing one its programs. You are a very intelligent guy. Im sure you can see that reasoning.

Syracuse would make much more sense in the ACC if Maryland was still in the league.
In fact the entire league would make much more sense with two trades:

Trade Louisville to the SEC for South Carolina
and Trade Pitt to the B1G for Maryland.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of having Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, Louisville or Miami in the ACC and my wife still can't understand why Florida State is in the league.

Well it’s obvious the ACC needs to kick out BC, Syracuse, Pitt, ND, Louisville, Florida State, and Miami and bring in Richmond, William & Mary, VMI, Davidson, Furman and the Citadel.



Hey South Carolina grad, can you bring me more cheese?

Oh I thought the "Carolina" for XLance was North Carolina. Silly me.

The boards needs a sarcasm font.

It is not bashing Syracuse to observe that JB has a big damn mouth.

It's not bashing Syracuse to observer that most of the league is not enamored with going there in the winter.

It's not bashing Syracuse to observe that all things being equal some of the girls were more attractive. It's no different than looking at women to marry - none are perfect - some qualities are more appreciated than others and you might want something different at 25, as opposed to 40, as opposed to 55. The girl in your 20's that is willing to give you a BJ in a restaurant or have sex with you in the car while you go down the highway, might not be what you are looking for at 40. At 40 you might be looking for a mother who can multi-task. At 55 you might be looking for someone who shares your interests and personality.

(03-07-2021 06:45 PM)Statefan Wrote:  It is not bashing Syracuse to observe that JB has a big damn mouth.

It's not bashing Syracuse to observer that most of the league is not enamored with going there in the winter.

It's not bashing Syracuse to observe that all things being equal some of the girls were more attractive. It's no different than looking at women to marry - none are perfect - some qualities are more appreciated than others and you might want something different at 25, as opposed to 40, as opposed to 55. The girl in your 20's that is willing to give you a BJ in a restaurant or have sex with you in the car while you go down the highway, might not be what you are looking for at 40. At 40 you might be looking for a mother who can multi-task. At 55 you might be looking for someone who shares your interests and personality.

Dude, you should pick somebody who shares your interests and personality in your 20's. You'll make better parents together, and sex with someone you actually love is always good, and you can grow old together peacefully and gracefully.

Guys who marry the first girl that gives it up are usually miserable until that divorce which sets them back when they are just getting ready to start a family. Then good luck after college finding a baited field to hunt upon. Then if you only look for a woman to birth your kids the kids will be kneecapped when mommy and daddy split, and only the lawyers will profit from that decision.

Pick the right one to begin with. Democrats can't stick with Republicans. Bammer girls can't have Auburn husbands unless one of them makes a painful switch and then it doesn't work most of the time. And pretty but vain is impossible to live with, just like ugly and dumb, unless of course you are ugly and dumb too! Pick a pleasant woman you love, build a family, and enjoy old age. It's great, not perfect because nothing is, but great!

Nothing irritates me more than to hear a young couple about to be married talking to their friends and already calling the event their "First" marriage.

By the way the same thing applies to realignment. If they don't share your values, are something you settle for, and something you'd be embarrassed to introduce your best friends to, then it doesn't need to happen. What's funny about the ACC is that you are the Capulets and Montagues without Romeo and Juliet. There's the Old Big East schools, the New Big East sub, two adopted orphans, and the Tobacco Road Club. It's like the Drysdales meet Mayberry, with a rough cousin from Kentucky, a Yankee in Bermuda shorts, a Panhandle Cracker, and Blue Collar Professionals from Atlanta decided to sign a contract for a Sitcom directed by Disney. And the purpose of the show is the seduction of a Catholic Priest who does well on his own but is desperately trying to avoid entanglements with his old Parrish, strangers, and a lynch mob of fundamentalist Baptists. All that's missing is Columbo asking lots of questions while trying to figure out if a crime was even committed since so far there is no murder.

OK I barely understood much of the last two posts other than Jim Boeheim is unlikable and I'm not disagreeing with that. So let me give you the Schmolik version.

I consider the ACC a basketball conference. I know at CSNBBS those are swear words but when Duke has won five national championships under Coach K and North Carolina three under Roy and four since the field expanded to 64 teams the ACC is best known for men's basketball. I said before in this thread the Duke/North Carolina rivalry defines college basketball for me and probably does for many. To me, it's like Michigan/Ohio State but better because the schools are way closer together and you have the public vs. private angle (and if you know me, I root for the public school).

Syracuse is a basketball school. Not saying they didn't have good football before. Qadry Ismail went to my high school. Donovan McNabb is one of the best Philadelphia Eagles to ever play. Syracuse and Penn State played some great games before PSU joined the Big Ten. But when I think of Syracuse I think of Boeheim and Carmelo Anthony. So that makes Syracuse a great fit for the ACC to me. The schools that are good in basketball are the ones that "belong" in the ACC and the ones that aren't don't.

(03-07-2021 07:44 PM)schmolik Wrote:  OK I barely understood much of the last two posts other than Jim Boeheim is unlikable and I'm not disagreeing with that. So let me give you the Schmolik version.

I consider the ACC a basketball conference. I know at CSNBBS those are swear words but when Duke has won five national championships under Coach K and North Carolina three under Roy and four since the field expanded to 64 teams the ACC is best known for men's basketball. I said before in this thread the Duke/North Carolina rivalry defines college basketball for me and probably does for many. To me, it's like Michigan/Ohio State but better because the schools are way closer together and you have the public vs. private angle (and if you know me, I root for the public school).

Syracuse is a basketball school. Not saying they didn't have good football before. Qadry Ismail went to my high school. Donovan McNabb is one of the best Philadelphia Eagles to ever play. Syracuse and Penn State played some great games before PSU joined the Big Ten. But when I think of Syracuse I think of Boeheim and Carmelo Anthony. So that makes Syracuse a great fit for the ACC to me. The schools that are good in basketball are the ones that "belong" in the ACC and the ones that aren't don't.

Using that logic, Boston College belongs in the Big Ten because it's an ice hockey league.

(03-05-2021 09:22 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  VT: How to clinch a double bye via COVID cancelling your games against all the best teams.

Bah, we only missed games vs. @UVA, FSU twice, Louisville and @UNC.... you know teams we were sure to beat....

XLance's ideal ACC:

UNC in charge as Alpha
Duke, NCSt, Wake Forest, USC, Clemson, UVA as Beta Orbiters

BTW, Boeheim is Boeheim. He sez things that lack tact...it isn't the Southern way...you Southern guys are way more passive aggressive but you'll always have a smile on your face as you are cutting someone down. Good news: Boeheim should be gone in 2 seasons. I actually hope he stays involved in the game as a studio analyst. He follows college ball more than just about anyone and will say what is on his mind.

Syracuse I hope will play more M2M with the next coach...we'll see.

BTW, the coeds at Syracuse University are topshelf...obviously not as many blondes as down south but most of the US based coeds come from well to do and upper middle class families in the BOS-WASH

The diversity at Syracuse is awesome with beautiful coeds of every background imaginable.

(03-08-2021 09:54 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  ...Boeheim is Boeheim. He sez things that lack tact...it isn't the Southern way...you Southern guys are way more passive aggressive but you'll always have a smile on your face as you are cutting someone down...

Southerners say things like:

"He's so rude, I think it's how he was raised... bless his heart!"

(You can say almost anything you want about a person as long as you tack on "bless his/her heart" at the end. For example: "She's pretty, but dumb as a box of rocks - bless her heart!")

(03-06-2021 06:52 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 06:29 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Congratulations to Virginia on winning the regular season title. It probably comes with an asterisk as they didn't play the same number of games, Virginia and Florida State have the same number of losses and Florida State beat Virginia pretty handily. I guess this year the tournament will be a better judge as to the best team in the ACC is (assuming one of the top teams win it).

Right now, Duke and North Carolina are playing and to me this is what makes me an ACC fan and a college basketball fan. I hate that both teams are both poor. These teams should be battling for a #1 seed and for the ACC title, not battling just to get into the tournament. Imagine if Michigan and Ohio State were playing in November and one was 5-6 and the other was 6-5. I think I heard during the Illinois game that seeing this rivalry in person should be on your bucket list and it's on mine. This is why I want Villanova in the ACC.

Actually it comes with nothing. It's not a real title.

This was decided back in 1961 and is still the rule. The appellation "Regular Season Champs" is an honorific nothing more.

But don't take my word for it here is Al Featherston with perhaps the best indepth on this issue:

https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/201.../champions

That’s an interesting article on the importance of the ACC tournament. It presents the competing viewpoints and provides historical perspective, while coming to (IMHO) the wrong conclusion.

Hard to believe that I now agree with Roy Williams and, incredibly, Dean Smith in suggesting that the regular season champion is the more important accomplishment. Having attended a few ACC Tournaments (many decades ago), completely agree with their characterization of the ACC Tournament as a cocktail party. I grew up going against everything that UNC basketball favored, but the times are changing.

The regular season championship is the more impressive accomplishment and a better gauge of excellence. In the past two decades:
A) Seven NCAA national champions from the ACC have won the conference regular season championship (Duke in 2001 and 2010; Maryland in 2002; UNC in 2005, 2009 and 2017; and UVA in 2019)
B) Two NCAA national champions won the ACC tournament title (Duke in 2001 and 2010)...both teams were also ACC regular season champions
C) One NCAA national champion from the ACC was neither the regular season nor tournament winner (Duke in 2015)...it appears that Coach K lost his zest for the ACC Tournament sometime between 2010 and 2015 (probably soon after reading the linked article)

With all the cancellations this year, the regular season has been more confusing than normal. Hopefully, this will make the ACC tournament more interesting than usual. There are a lot of bubble teams that need to prove that they are NCAA tournament worthy. In addition, even the stronger teams (UVA, FSU and VT) can use the tournament to help improve their team chemistry.

Wahoowa your examples lend credence that winning conference championships is usually counterproductive to winning the NCAA championship. I remember during the Big East slog at MSG that the champion many times flamed out at the NCAAs. Three to five games, celebration, media, travel to playing a tough 6-11 seed the second round was dangerous.

(03-08-2021 03:40 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Wahoowa your examples lend credence that winning conference championships is usually counterproductive to winning the NCAA championship. I remember during the Big East slog at MSG that the champion many times flamed out at the NCAAs. Three to five games, celebration, media, travel to playing a tough 6-11 seed the second round was dangerous.

Agree. The 2018 ACC title was the great example for UVA. The Hoos were awesome that whole year. They won the regular season and Tony Bennett spoke about the importance of the ACC tournament. They did great at the Barclays Center...winning the ACC title. They then promptly lost to UMBC.

I remember Dean Smith (in the 90s) and then Roy Williams downplaying the importance of the ACC tournament...keeping the focus on the national title. Winning the ACC tournament is nice, but not if it is too much of a grind. It’s really all the bubble teams that need to excel.

Tony Bennett also had a string of unfortunate years were key players (Justin Anderson, Isaiah Wilkins and D’Andre Hunter) were injured prior to the NCAA tournament. Playing late season games against tough competition on a daily basis can be a grind.