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Basketball Sunday 12/6
Ohio used a 40-0 spanning the halves to beat Cleveland State 101-46.

Western Illinois is 5 up on Central Michigan late first half.

Western Michigan is a 23 point underdog @ Michigan State (Big Ten Network at 6)

Buffalo visits Bowling Green (-2.5) on ESPN3 at 6 PM.
12-06-2020 04:20 PM
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(12-06-2020 04:20 PM)Eagle66 Wrote:  )

Buffalo visits Bowling Green (-2.5) on ESPN3 at 6 PM.

Must see TV for me.
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12-06-2020 04:52 PM
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RE: Basketball Sunday 12/6
Broncos hung in there with the Spartans. Down 4 at half. I kept waiting for the big run where MSU gets into transition and puts a team away. For the most part, Western answered each run until about 6 minutes left.
Spartans pulled away helped by some turnovers and sloppy play.

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(12-06-2020 08:06 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Broncos hung in there with the Spartans. Down 4 at half. I kept waiting for the big run where MSU gets into transition and puts a team away. For the most part, Western answered each run until about 6 minutes left.
Spartans pulled away helped by some turnovers and sloppy play.

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79-61 final
12-06-2020 08:15 PM
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RE: Basketball Sunday 12/6
(12-06-2020 08:15 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  
(12-06-2020 08:06 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Broncos hung in there with the Spartans. Down 4 at half. I kept waiting for the big run where MSU gets into transition and puts a team away. For the most part, Western answered each run until about 6 minutes left.
Spartans pulled away helped by some turnovers and sloppy play.

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key moment was 56-52 game w broncos rallying, they get a steal and their freshman guard draws contact at the rim in the fast break but doesn't get the call and the shot rolls off. msu runs a counter break and hits their long distance guy who drills a 3. goes from a 1 possession game to a 3 possession game like that, and all the momentum changes. msu finishes on a 23-9 run sparked by that sequence.

other than that western plays them tooth and nail. really like how bates has that team competing. also seeing their sophomores white the little pg and wright the big center both emerging as good players. msu couldn't handle either for the first half. western will compete well in the mac if they stay fairly healthy.
12-07-2020 04:04 AM
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Watched the Buffalo-BG game. Easily the two most athletic teams I've seen in the MAC this year. Easily. That being said it did not appear that either coach had spent even 5 minutes coaching offense this year. This was a typical possession: Player, usually PG, brings ball over half court and either, A) Does a minimum of 5 cross-over dribbles standing in one spot and proceeds to take it strong to the hoop or shoot a contested 3 or B) passes to a teammate as he's crossing center court and said teammate proceeds to do a minimum of 5 cross-over dribbles standing in that spot and takes it strong to the hoop or shoots a contested 3. There were a total of 11 assists combined in the entire contest. Very physical game and these type games are tough on officials and I'll be kind when I say the officials were inconsistent. I'm going to guess that Buffalo fans feel that they were on the short end of the calls down the stretch and I'm sure BG fans can point out a number of calls they feel were unfair.
12-07-2020 08:29 AM
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(12-07-2020 08:29 AM)OUVan Wrote:  Watched the Buffalo-BG game. Easily the two most athletic teams I've seen in the MAC this year. Easily. That being said it did not appear that either coach had spent even 5 minutes coaching offense this year. This was a typical possession: Player, usually PG, brings ball over half court and either, A) Does a minimum of 5 cross-over dribbles standing in one spot and proceeds to take it strong to the hoop or shoot a contested 3 or B) passes to a teammate as he's crossing center court and said teammate proceeds to do a minimum of 5 cross-over dribbles standing in that spot and takes it strong to the hoop or shoots a contested 3. There were a total of 11 assists combined in the entire contest. Very physical game and these type games are tough on officials and I'll be kind when I say the officials were inconsistent. I'm going to guess that Buffalo fans feel that they were on the short end of the calls down the stretch and I'm sure BG fans can point out a number of calls they feel were unfair.

Buffalo fans are mad because the team seems to go ice cold and disappear in the final 4 minutes of games and they are terrible at free throw shooting. This is a bad trend to start the season and not a good look for Coach Whitesell.
12-07-2020 08:51 AM
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A 40 point run is hard to believe. Just as hard to believe at some point, some guy would throw up a poop shot and it will go in.

40 points!
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12-07-2020 09:31 AM
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(12-07-2020 08:51 AM)zrb2 Wrote:  
(12-07-2020 08:29 AM)OUVan Wrote:  Watched the Buffalo-BG game. Easily the two most athletic teams I've seen in the MAC this year. Easily. That being said it did not appear that either coach had spent even 5 minutes coaching offense this year. This was a typical possession: Player, usually PG, brings ball over half court and either, A) Does a minimum of 5 cross-over dribbles standing in one spot and proceeds to take it strong to the hoop or shoot a contested 3 or B) passes to a teammate as he's crossing center court and said teammate proceeds to do a minimum of 5 cross-over dribbles standing in that spot and takes it strong to the hoop or shoots a contested 3. There were a total of 11 assists combined in the entire contest. Very physical game and these type games are tough on officials and I'll be kind when I say the officials were inconsistent. I'm going to guess that Buffalo fans feel that they were on the short end of the calls down the stretch and I'm sure BG fans can point out a number of calls they feel were unfair.

Buffalo fans are mad because the team seems to go ice cold and disappear in the final 4 minutes of games and they are terrible at free throw shooting. This is a bad trend to start the season and not a good look for Coach Whitesell.

BG fans, well at least me, are frustrated that the team can’t put a team away when they have the opportunity. Turner is obviously one of the best players in the conference, if not the best, and can absolutely take over a game at his will. He’s got nearly all the facets of the game down, not to mention, he’s an incredibly smart player who knows how to get to the line, where he doesn’t miss. Yet, he seems to get bored and sometimes doesn’t turn it on until the final 4 or 5 minutes. Last night, he just wasn’t performing well, missing shots he is usually money on, and he wasn’t finishing at the hoop. It looked like maybe he didn’t feel the urgency he should have had. But when the game was on the line, he was unstoppable. Buffalo couldn’t defend him and he took over the game. He needs to develop game-long consistency with that intensity. Instead of 33 points, he could have had 50. Hopefully the coaches work with him on that.

BG has a really good freshman class, with Matheny leading the way, and Fulcher contributing good minutes, both flashing all-MAC futures. But they’re freshmen and come with the freshmen mistakes that BG just has to live with until they refine and learn.

Finally, BG is very thin in the front court. The only true post player they have is Swingle, who is...a project. On Buffalo’s board, several posts questioned whether BG was missing anyone significant to injury. I don’t have an account, so I had to resort to yelling at my phone that they’ve been without Matiss Kulackovaskis, who is a talented 6’9” wing and can play inside and out. He isn’t a banger down low, but on this team, any additional post presence will be helpful. BG essentially plays 5 guards much of the game, with Plowden and Diggs, both 6’6” guards, forced to abandon their strengths to play down low. It’s a disservice to the team and the players. I think there will be a marked improvement when Matiss returns in the next few weeks. With that said, the post will be a weakness throughout the season for BG and should be exploited by opponents.

In total, I thought BG played poorly last night. They looked tired and sluggish. Buffalo didn’t play well either, but I’m happy that on off nights BG can still find ways to win against quality opponents.
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(12-07-2020 09:31 AM)Frozenbaugh Wrote:  A 40 point run is hard to believe. Just as hard to believe at some point, some guy would throw up a poop shot and it will go in.

40 points!

It was 12-9 Ohio and over the next 23 minutes the score ballooned to 86-25. So the 40-0 run was after a 34-16 run.
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(12-07-2020 08:29 AM)OUVan Wrote:  Watched the Buffalo-BG game. Easily the two most athletic teams I've seen in the MAC this year. Easily. That being said it did not appear that either coach had spent even 5 minutes coaching offense this year. This was a typical possession: Player, usually PG, brings ball over half court and either, A) Does a minimum of 5 cross-over dribbles standing in one spot and proceeds to take it strong to the hoop or shoot a contested 3 or B) passes to a teammate as he's crossing center court and said teammate proceeds to do a minimum of 5 cross-over dribbles standing in that spot and takes it strong to the hoop or shoots a contested 3. There were a total of 11 assists combined in the entire contest. Very physical game and these type games are tough on officials and I'll be kind when I say the officials were inconsistent. I'm going to guess that Buffalo fans feel that they were on the short end of the calls down the stretch and I'm sure BG fans can point out a number of calls they feel were unfair.

BG lost two great assistants over the past two years which I think contributes to what you’re noticing. And I completely agree. Yet the offense isn’t the problem; weak defense and lack of rebounding will haunt them. Anthony Stacy seemed to do a great job coaching the posts, and with this the first year during the Huger tenure without him on the staff, his absence is most glaring.
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RE: Basketball Sunday 12/6
from what I've seen I'd rank the league like this with some notes on available players in the ()

Ohio (most balance, also one of the few teams without injuries or covid issues, only loss was a nail biter at illinois)
Kent (have had some injuries and not a lot of games or full practices, but looked like a tough out at Virginia-OT loss-with more inside out balance than most MAC teams)
Toledo (had to shut it down in preseason for covid cases, then lost starting center Aj Edu in the first week for the year, 3-2 with both losses very close to good teams, just booked a replacement game at Michigan wednesday which will give more insight. rockets play fast and have a lot of scorers)
BG (best go to guy in the league, some perimeter defense, don't think Matheny is a conference champion pg at this stage, although he may end up being good)
WMU (best surprise, playing the right way on both ends, wouldn't be surprised to see them keep improving. their soph center wright and pg B Artis White really improved a ton from year 1-good upside long term on this roster)
Buffalo (Mballa has missed the past 2 games, another guy suspended, another not playing, won't write them off, but not a great start)
Ball St (not a full roster so far and they look pretty close to being good. interior play is lacking, but will be trouble for most MAC teams that play small. not a KJ Walton fan and he seems to have the green light to shoot way too often, if they can modify his role they will be better)
Miami ( a hair better than expected, but not gonna scare anyone)
EMU (have had a lot of roster issues so far, there's enough talent and balance to be pretty good if they get everyone healthy and on the same page)
NIU (ugly start, lots of new faces and missing 1 guy, could show some improvment as players get adjusted)
CMU (slow start, down only 1 guy, I think)

Akron (incomplete, COVID issues)
12-08-2020 02:39 AM
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(12-08-2020 02:39 AM)pono Wrote:  NIU (ugly start, lots of new faces and missing 1 guy, could show some improvment as players get adjusted)

Ugly indeed, one of our players decided to opt out for the rest of the season after playing in the first game. Then we had a COVID outbreak on the team and were missing 3 players by Game 2.
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