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Placing any team in the playoff with less than 8 games played is wrong.

It's like an old Southern Conference football championship when there were 23 teams and 4-0 in conference could win the so called title.

Remember, the B10 attempted to derail the season with the P12. Don't reward them.
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(12-01-2020 10:50 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  While it is a possibility that Michigan could do this to Ohio St, I don't think they will (or should). The game means too much to the teams, schools, fan bases, football fans, media executives, etc. If I'm a player on Michigan's roster, I would love nothing more than to give the Buckeyes a loss in their house.

Yeah, like that's going to happen!

That said, even if Ohio State misses the B1G FCG, that does not in itself disqualify them from the CFP playoffs... they just wouldn't be the conference champ (but they've made it into the playoffs before as non-champions).
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(12-01-2020 12:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-01-2020 10:50 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  While it is a possibility that Michigan could do this to Ohio St, I don't think they will (or should). The game means too much to the teams, schools, fan bases, football fans, media executives, etc. If I'm a player on Michigan's roster, I would love nothing more than to give the Buckeyes a loss in their house.

Yeah, like that's going to happen!

That said, even if Ohio State misses the B1G FCG, that does not in itself disqualify them from the CFP playoffs... they just wouldn't be the conference champ (but they've made it into the playoffs before as non-champions).

If Virginia Tech can beat Ohio St in a national championship year, then Michigan can beat Ohio St this year!

All joking aside, Michigan won’t win.
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(12-01-2020 11:45 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Placing any team in the playoff with less than 8 games played is wrong.

It's like an old Southern Conference football championship when there were 23 teams and 4-0 in conference could win the so called title.

Remember, the B10 attempted to derail the season with the P12. Don't reward them.

It kind of boggles my mind how you could have 22 conference mates but only manage to schedule 4 of them
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(12-01-2020 12:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-01-2020 11:45 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Placing any team in the playoff with less than 8 games played is wrong.

It's like an old Southern Conference football championship when there were 23 teams and 4-0 in conference could win the so called title.

Remember, the B10 attempted to derail the season with the P12. Don't reward them.

It kind of boggles my mind how you could have 22 conference mates but only manage to schedule 4 of them

1927 -

Date Opponent Site Result
September 24 Elon* Riddick Stadium Raleigh, NCW 39–0
September 30 at Furman* Manly Field Greenville, SC L 20–0
October 8 Clemson Riddick Stadium Raleigh, NC (Textile Bowl)W 18–6
October 13 Wake Forest* Riddick Stadium Raleigh, NC (rivalry) W 30–7
October 22 at Florida Plant Field Tampa, FLW 12–6
October 29 North Carolina Riddick Stadium Raleigh, NC (rivalry) W 19–6
November 5 vs. Davidson* Richardson Stadium Greensboro, NCW 25–6
November 12 at Duke* Hanes Field Durham, NC W 20–18
November 29 at South Carolina Melton Field Columbia, SC (rivalry)W 34–0
December 3 Michigan State* Riddick Stadium Raleigh, NC W 19–0
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1927 Southern Conference football standings
vte Conf Overall
Team W L T W L T
Georgia Tech + 7 – 0 – 1 8 – 1 – 1
Tennessee + 5 – 0 – 1 8 – 0 – 1
NC State + 4 – 0 – 0 9 – 1 – 0
Vanderbilt 5 – 0 – 2 8 – 1 – 2
Georgia 6 – 1 – 0 9 – 1 – 0
Florida 5 – 2 – 0 7 – 3 – 0
Ole Miss 3 – 2 – 0 5 – 3 – 1
Virginia 4 – 4 – 0 5 – 4 – 0
Clemson 2 – 2 – 0 5 – 3 – 1
Alabama 3 – 4 – 1 5 – 4 – 1
LSU 2 – 3 – 1 4 – 4 – 1
Mississippi A&M 2 – 3 – 0 5 – 3 – 0
Washington and Lee 2 – 3 – 0 4 – 4 – 1
VPI 2 – 3 – 0 5 – 4 – 0
Maryland 2 – 3 – 0 4 – 7 – 0
South Carolina 2 – 4 – 0 4 – 5 – 0
VMI 2 – 4 – 0 6 – 4 – 0
Tulane 2 – 5 – 1 2 – 5 – 1
North Carolina 2 – 5 – 0 4 – 6 – 0
Sewanee 1 – 4 – 0 2 – 6 – 0
Kentucky 1 – 5 – 0 3 – 6 – 1
Auburn 0 – 6 – 1 0 – 7 – 2
+ – Conference co-champions

The limitations of train travel, State Fairs, destinations cities, and cities that would "sponsor" a game mattered back then.

Back then it was better to make a trip into Baltimore, DC, Philly, or NYC than travel anywhere west of Atlanta. State used to play schools like Manhattan at Ebbits Field (Manhattan was invited to the first Orange Bowl vs. Miami). They dropped football after WWII. Duke had a playing relationship with Villanova and Pitt. It was a much about having a good time as anything else. It's difficult to imagine a good time in some of those towns.
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It seems that particularly among "big name" teams with little to play for, a kind of reverse-desire to play is setting in. Many of these schools that were champing at the bit to play three months ago are having bad years and so key players are beginning to "opt out", either to prepare for the draft or just to not risk injury in a going-nowhere end of season, so the talent drain is happening. Add that to the demoralizing reality of a bad season, and having to face powerhouse rivals who are gearing up for the playoffs, and it seems to me that there are programs out there who would be happy if these December games - a weird time to be playing anyway - were scrapped.
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(12-01-2020 12:43 AM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  I say this as a B1G fan and alum ...

ALL the Playoff bids this year should go to ACC, SEC, Big XII, American, Sun Belt or C-USA teams (or BYU).

Those schools showed some balls back in the summer and decided to go ahead with football. As opposed to the B1G's nonsensical virtue signaling. Reward the schools that tried to play from Day 1. And to hell with the B1G, Pac-12, MWC and MAC schools.

Sounds like you value "balls" more than "brains."

I prefer staying alive during a panic, so I'll stick with the brains.
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(12-01-2020 12:43 AM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  I say this as a B1G fan and alum ...

ALL the Playoff bids this year should go to ACC, SEC, Big XII, American, Sun Belt or C-USA teams (or BYU).

Those schools showed some balls back in the summer and decided to go ahead with football. As opposed to the B1G's nonsensical virtue signaling. Reward the schools that tried to play from Day 1. And to hell with the B1G, Pac-12, MWC and MAC schools.

I agree and disagree. I agree that the AAC/SB/CUSA/SEC/ACC/Big 12 made the correct calls to start earlier whereas the B1G/PAC/MW messed up by starting later.

Still, I don't think you can punish programs for that, they were stuck. If Ohio State looks like one of the four best, then they should make the playoffs.
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You can't punish organizations for decisions they make?
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The B1G Commish is the gift that keeps on giving.
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(12-02-2020 01:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

That way it won't look as suspicious when they cancel the Ohio State game too...
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(12-02-2020 02:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  [quote='stever20' pid='17130536' dateline='1606933878']

That way it won't look as suspicious when they cancel the Ohio State game too...
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I see it the other way - to me, this move is designed to give Michigan the best chance of being able to play Ohio State, by allowing them to address covid-issues now.

I suspect Michigan is under a LOT of stress right now. The conference clearly wants them to play Ohio State, so as to boost chances of getting a team in the CFP.

Then there's the dynamics within the UM community. Some UM boosters always want to play Ohio State no matter what. That's the ancestral rival and at Michigan you strap it up and give them your best shot once a year, period. Man up and get it done, no excuses about talent, coaching, injuries, etc.

But there are probably others at UM who have no interest in seeing Big Blue get their brains beat in by Ohio State. They have lost faith, for this season, and see that as inevitable. And among these there might be some boosters who see the whole season as an embarrassment better ended sooner rather than later, and perhaps some administrators and coaches in the athletic department who don't want their resumes and job security to take yet another hit. And if not playing happens to stick a fork in Ohio State's playoff chances, well that's one thing to feel good about too. So they are looking for a reason not to play the game.

So .... It's complicated, and interesting.
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I'm calling it now. The CFP will 2 teams each from both the ACC and SEC. You heard it here first.
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03-lmfao

Quote:“I can’t tell you how embarrassed I am for the Big Ten Conference to have one of their representatives — who played this game — to say that about any team in this conference. And to say it about college football and the student-athletes around this country who are trying to play games, during a pandemic — it is ridiculous and sad.”

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Harbaugh needs the game to happen. Only way to keep his job. If he loses by one score there is a chance Covid gives him a pass.
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(12-02-2020 09:05 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Harbaugh needs the game to happen. Only way to keep his job. If he loses by one score there is a chance Covid gives him a pass.

I disagree. Harbaugh is likely to be safer not playing the game than playing it and getting his ears boxed in. Which is what likely would happen.
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(12-02-2020 07:42 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  I'm calling it now. The CFP will 2 teams each from both the ACC and SEC. You heard it here first.

Only if TAMU wins out or UF beats Bama in the title game. Which means only if TAMU wins out
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