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RE: General Game Discussion, November 27-28
Just for you to chew on quo vadis...
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RE: General Game Discussion, November 27-28
(11-29-2020 11:04 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Just for you to chew on quo vadis...

That's a neat bit of trivia. Of course, I don't think many are pushing for Coastal and ULL to be in the playoffs.

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RE: General Game Discussion, November 27-28
(11-29-2020 10:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 07:12 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(11-27-2020 05:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-27-2020 03:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Iowa St maintains sole possession of 1st place entering December as the Cyclones beat the Longhorns for the 2nd straight year.

Huge win for Iowa State.

Huge loss for Tom Herman. What are the chances Texas would like to trade coaches with ISU?

Pretty good i bet. I thought Herman would do well at Texas. I have been proved wrong.

He made some bad decisions Saturday, but Iowa St. is pretty good.

Texas could easily be 8-0 or 3-5. 2-1 in OT games where UT tied in the last minute. Lost one game when UT fumbled on the 1 in the final minute down 2. Lost the other when ISU scored with 1:20 left and UT missed a tying long FG by a foot at the gun.
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RE: General Game Discussion, November 27-28
(11-30-2020 10:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 10:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 07:12 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(11-27-2020 05:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-27-2020 03:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Iowa St maintains sole possession of 1st place entering December as the Cyclones beat the Longhorns for the 2nd straight year.

Huge win for Iowa State.

Huge loss for Tom Herman. What are the chances Texas would like to trade coaches with ISU?

Pretty good i bet. I thought Herman would do well at Texas. I have been proved wrong.

He made some bad decisions Saturday, but Iowa St. is pretty good.

Texas could easily be 8-0 or 3-5. 2-1 in OT games where UT tied in the last minute. Lost one game when UT fumbled on the 1 in the final minute down 2. Lost the other when ISU scored with 1:20 left and UT missed a tying long FG by a foot at the gun.

I guess I should retract my statement. Texas has been a winner under Herman. He's had a winning record every season and is 3-0 in bowl games, including a big Sugar Bowl win over Georgia just two years ago. That's not shabby.

But I think Texas expected more. They expected 10+ win seasons where they were playing for Big 12 titles and CFP playoff spots, IOWs to be where Oklahoma is. And that hasn't happened.
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RE: General Game Discussion, November 27-28
(11-30-2020 10:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 10:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 07:12 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(11-27-2020 05:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Huge win for Iowa State.

Huge loss for Tom Herman. What are the chances Texas would like to trade coaches with ISU?

Pretty good i bet. I thought Herman would do well at Texas. I have been proved wrong.

He made some bad decisions Saturday, but Iowa St. is pretty good.

Texas could easily be 8-0 or 3-5. 2-1 in OT games where UT tied in the last minute. Lost one game when UT fumbled on the 1 in the final minute down 2. Lost the other when ISU scored with 1:20 left and UT missed a tying long FG by a foot at the gun.

I guess I should retract my statement. Texas has been a winner under Herman. He's had a winning record every season and is 3-0 in bowl games, including a big Sugar Bowl win over Georgia just two years ago. That's not shabby.

But I think Texas expected more. They expected 10+ win seasons where they were playing for Big 12 titles and CFP playoff spots, IOWs to be where Oklahoma is. And that hasn't happened.

Yes. He's only played for a Big 12 title once.

After a time, everybody shows what they showed before. Hermann gets his team to play well in big games, but has some headscratching performances too (the miracle to get Texas Tech into OT before pulling it out). He did that at Houston.

Mack Brown always had one team he had fits with at North Carolina and didn't win a conference title, always falling short against FSU. He had the best record in football from 2000-2009 at Texas, but still only had 2 conference titles in that 10 years. Oklahoma didn't win quite as many games, but had more conference titles and the same number of national titles with more losses in the title game.

John Mackovic was Hermann to an extreme. He pulled some surprising upsets at Illinois and Texas. And always seemed to lose at least one game to a bad team.
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RE: General Game Discussion, November 27-28
(11-30-2020 10:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  He made some bad decisions Saturday, but Iowa St. is pretty good.

Texas could easily be 8-0 or 3-5. 2-1 in OT games where UT tied in the last minute. Lost one game when UT fumbled on the 1 in the final minute down 2. Lost the other when ISU scored with 1:20 left and UT missed a tying long FG by a foot at the gun.

I guess I should retract my statement. Texas has been a winner under Herman. He's had a winning record every season and is 3-0 in bowl games, including a big Sugar Bowl win over Georgia just two years ago. That's not shabby.

But I think Texas expected more. They expected 10+ win seasons where they were playing for Big 12 titles and CFP playoff spots, IOWs to be where Oklahoma is. And that hasn't happened.

Imo any college where a significant chunk of the fanbase expects to have Oklahoma/Ohio State/Alabama type seasons every year is almost destined for disappointment. Coaches like Urban Meyer don't grow on trees and I can imagine the politics at a place like UT are extremely difficult to navigate on top of having to recruit, develop talent, etc. It's more than possible for UT to reach that standard but they need an uncommonly great head coach that can put together an elite staff (and refill when assistants are inevitably hired away), though if that were easy then everyone would do it.
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RE: General Game Discussion, November 27-28
(11-30-2020 09:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  He made some bad decisions Saturday, but Iowa St. is pretty good.

Texas could easily be 8-0 or 3-5. 2-1 in OT games where UT tied in the last minute. Lost one game when UT fumbled on the 1 in the final minute down 2. Lost the other when ISU scored with 1:20 left and UT missed a tying long FG by a foot at the gun.

I guess I should retract my statement. Texas has been a winner under Herman. He's had a winning record every season and is 3-0 in bowl games, including a big Sugar Bowl win over Georgia just two years ago. That's not shabby.

But I think Texas expected more. They expected 10+ win seasons where they were playing for Big 12 titles and CFP playoff spots, IOWs to be where Oklahoma is. And that hasn't happened.

Imo any college where a significant chunk of the fanbase expects to have Oklahoma/Ohio State/Alabama type seasons every year is almost destined for disappointment. Coaches like Urban Meyer don't grow on trees and I can imagine the politics at a place like UT are extremely difficult to navigate on top of having to recruit, develop talent, etc. It's more than possible for UT to reach that standard but they need an uncommonly great head coach that can put together an elite staff (and refill when assistants are inevitably hired away), though if that were easy then everyone would do it.

Mack Brown did that with his staff. Charlie Strong had a very weak staff. Hermann's is just ok.

Mack just isn't a particularly good "coach." He was a great recruiter. Great at the politics. Generally very good at picking assistants. But he was not as good at game planning and adjustments as Bobby Bowden or Bob Stoops.
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RE: General Game Discussion, November 27-28
(11-30-2020 09:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  He made some bad decisions Saturday, but Iowa St. is pretty good.

Texas could easily be 8-0 or 3-5. 2-1 in OT games where UT tied in the last minute. Lost one game when UT fumbled on the 1 in the final minute down 2. Lost the other when ISU scored with 1:20 left and UT missed a tying long FG by a foot at the gun.

I guess I should retract my statement. Texas has been a winner under Herman. He's had a winning record every season and is 3-0 in bowl games, including a big Sugar Bowl win over Georgia just two years ago. That's not shabby.

But I think Texas expected more. They expected 10+ win seasons where they were playing for Big 12 titles and CFP playoff spots, IOWs to be where Oklahoma is. And that hasn't happened.

Imo any college where a significant chunk of the fanbase expects to have Oklahoma/Ohio State/Alabama type seasons every year is almost destined for disappointment. Coaches like Urban Meyer don't grow on trees and I can imagine the politics at a place like UT are extremely difficult to navigate on top of having to recruit, develop talent, etc. It's more than possible for UT to reach that standard but they need an uncommonly great head coach that can put together an elite staff (and refill when assistants are inevitably hired away), though if that were easy then everyone would do it.

Texas doesn't view itself as "any program". They see themselves as a historical Blue Blood and expect to play for conference and national titles. Telling Texas to accept going 9-3 and not playing for national titles is like telling Kansas or UCLA to do the same in basketball - not going to happen.

Texas has the money to churn through coaches every 3-4 years until they find the next Meyer or Mack Brown who can do it for them, so that's what they will keep doing.
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RE: General Game Discussion, November 27-28
(12-01-2020 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 09:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  He made some bad decisions Saturday, but Iowa St. is pretty good.

Texas could easily be 8-0 or 3-5. 2-1 in OT games where UT tied in the last minute. Lost one game when UT fumbled on the 1 in the final minute down 2. Lost the other when ISU scored with 1:20 left and UT missed a tying long FG by a foot at the gun.

I guess I should retract my statement. Texas has been a winner under Herman. He's had a winning record every season and is 3-0 in bowl games, including a big Sugar Bowl win over Georgia just two years ago. That's not shabby.

But I think Texas expected more. They expected 10+ win seasons where they were playing for Big 12 titles and CFP playoff spots, IOWs to be where Oklahoma is. And that hasn't happened.

Imo any college where a significant chunk of the fanbase expects to have Oklahoma/Ohio State/Alabama type seasons every year is almost destined for disappointment. Coaches like Urban Meyer don't grow on trees and I can imagine the politics at a place like UT are extremely difficult to navigate on top of having to recruit, develop talent, etc. It's more than possible for UT to reach that standard but they need an uncommonly great head coach that can put together an elite staff (and refill when assistants are inevitably hired away), though if that were easy then everyone would do it.

Texas doesn't view itself as "any program". They see themselves as a historical Blue Blood and expect to play for conference and national titles. Telling Texas to accept going 9-3 and not playing for national titles is like telling Kansas or UCLA to do the same in basketball - not going to happen.

Texas has the money to churn through coaches every 3-4 years until they find the next Meyer or Mack Brown who can do it for them, so that's what they will keep doing.

I can't remember the last time Kansas has been down. They just had a string of 14 consecutive regular season Big 12 titles snapped in 2019. Then last season they won the Big 12 again.
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(12-01-2020 02:58 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(12-01-2020 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 09:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  He made some bad decisions Saturday, but Iowa St. is pretty good.

Texas could easily be 8-0 or 3-5. 2-1 in OT games where UT tied in the last minute. Lost one game when UT fumbled on the 1 in the final minute down 2. Lost the other when ISU scored with 1:20 left and UT missed a tying long FG by a foot at the gun.

I guess I should retract my statement. Texas has been a winner under Herman. He's had a winning record every season and is 3-0 in bowl games, including a big Sugar Bowl win over Georgia just two years ago. That's not shabby.

But I think Texas expected more. They expected 10+ win seasons where they were playing for Big 12 titles and CFP playoff spots, IOWs to be where Oklahoma is. And that hasn't happened.

Imo any college where a significant chunk of the fanbase expects to have Oklahoma/Ohio State/Alabama type seasons every year is almost destined for disappointment. Coaches like Urban Meyer don't grow on trees and I can imagine the politics at a place like UT are extremely difficult to navigate on top of having to recruit, develop talent, etc. It's more than possible for UT to reach that standard but they need an uncommonly great head coach that can put together an elite staff (and refill when assistants are inevitably hired away), though if that were easy then everyone would do it.

Texas doesn't view itself as "any program". They see themselves as a historical Blue Blood and expect to play for conference and national titles. Telling Texas to accept going 9-3 and not playing for national titles is like telling Kansas or UCLA to do the same in basketball - not going to happen.

Texas has the money to churn through coaches every 3-4 years until they find the next Meyer or Mack Brown who can do it for them, so that's what they will keep doing.

I can't remember the last time Kansas has been down. They just had a string of 14 consecutive regular season Big 12 titles snapped in 2019. Then last season they won the Big 12 again.

The only time I remember Kansas even being somewhat down was when I first started watching college hoops in the early 1970s. From the mid-70s to mid-80s, they really weren't a true national force. Then they hired Larry Brown and he quickly made them that again.

And even that "down" period of say 1975 - 1985 was still a pretty good period, IIRC they made the NCAA tournament more years than not, but they just didn't advance far.

But that's about it.
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RE: General Game Discussion, November 27-28
(12-01-2020 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 09:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-30-2020 10:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  He made some bad decisions Saturday, but Iowa St. is pretty good.

Texas could easily be 8-0 or 3-5. 2-1 in OT games where UT tied in the last minute. Lost one game when UT fumbled on the 1 in the final minute down 2. Lost the other when ISU scored with 1:20 left and UT missed a tying long FG by a foot at the gun.

I guess I should retract my statement. Texas has been a winner under Herman. He's had a winning record every season and is 3-0 in bowl games, including a big Sugar Bowl win over Georgia just two years ago. That's not shabby.

But I think Texas expected more. They expected 10+ win seasons where they were playing for Big 12 titles and CFP playoff spots, IOWs to be where Oklahoma is. And that hasn't happened.

Imo any college where a significant chunk of the fanbase expects to have Oklahoma/Ohio State/Alabama type seasons every year is almost destined for disappointment. Coaches like Urban Meyer don't grow on trees and I can imagine the politics at a place like UT are extremely difficult to navigate on top of having to recruit, develop talent, etc. It's more than possible for UT to reach that standard but they need an uncommonly great head coach that can put together an elite staff (and refill when assistants are inevitably hired away), though if that were easy then everyone would do it.

Texas doesn't view itself as "any program". They see themselves as a historical Blue Blood and expect to play for conference and national titles. Telling Texas to accept going 9-3 and not playing for national titles is like telling Kansas or UCLA to do the same in basketball - not going to happen.

Texas has the money to churn through coaches every 3-4 years until they find the next Meyer or Mack Brown who can do it for them, so that's what they will keep doing.

Of course they don't, though it doesn't mean they're destined for a happy life as a fan. Go through meh or decent coaches every 3 to 4 years and next thing you know you're Nebraska a decade or two later, sometime that promised land never comes.
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