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RE: MAC Basketball Week 1 (11/23-11/29)
Any word on Edu’s knee? Hope it wasn’t a bad injury.
11-27-2020 06:44 PM
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(11-27-2020 06:44 PM)Eagle66 Wrote:  Any word on Edu’s knee? Hope it wasn’t a bad injury.

so far, none. he was in street clothes for the xavier game but walking normally without any crutches or anything. he was hurt jumping straight up for an alley oop. so, it it's unlikely that it was directly related to his ACL injury, but the concern is it might be related to the overall structural health of the knee. secondly, even if it isn't serious it could be a psychological blow to him. Full ACL recovery requires not just a return to full strength but a return to full trust in the joint. Setbacks like this really challenge a kid's faith in the strength of the joint and can lead to periods of trepidation and caution that limits their effectiveness.

As far as Toledo, they nearly beat Xavier without Edu, with his backup replacement in foul trouble and their top playmaker in the game knocked out in crunch time with a head injury. ultimately, short handed they just looked too tired to finish, plus, star pg marreon jackson had a really poor game by his standards. So far, UT has led 2 possible NCAA tourney teams (Bradley and Xavier) for about 65 of the 80 minutes they played, but couldn't finish off either one. This has been a trend of UT teams in recent years. Generally, very competitive and able to play with anyone, but lousy down the stretch of close games. The staff has dug a little deeper into the bench than in years past, but may need to double down there and really use their improved depth to save more energy for crunch time. This is a capable Toledo team with a lot of scoring options, good guard play and 2 legit rim protectors, but they gotta show they can rise to the moment and make the game winning shot or stop.

Also, a side note on the Ohio game, which OU also led almost in entirety but found a way to lose. I thought Preston outplayed Illinois' all american guard and the stats back that up. I'd consider OU the MAC favorite at this point. Other teams might have a little more seasoned overall talent, but none can control the pace like OU can w Preston. In addition, OU's team energy, coaching and defense look pretty high level.

One difference in how MAC teams' coaches play out end of game situations compared to P5 coaches is less nuanced understanding of when to foul. In the OU-Illinois game with 7 seconds, a 1 point lead and defending probably the best guard in the country going to the rim, but with a poor foul shooting big man also on the floor for Illinois, OU chose to let it play out and ended up committing an unplanned foul in the act of shooting on the drive-putting a good foul shooter to the line for the game winners. OU could have fouled Illinois' big guy and sent him to the line, which % wise would not have resulted to 2 made free throws. Plus, took their top offensive rebounder out of the picture on a miss. In contrast, down 3 with the ball setting up a potential game tying 3, WMU's new coach called a timeout during which Butler's coach instructed his players to immediately foul WMU's poor foul shooting big denying them the chance to take a shot to tie-it worked Butler won by 4.
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KSU V Purdue FW game today postponed due to the same reason all the games being postponed and canceled are.

Flashes opener now scheduled to be Fri at UVA.
11-30-2020 10:00 AM
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(11-29-2020 11:11 PM)pono Wrote:  
(11-27-2020 06:44 PM)Eagle66 Wrote:  Any word on Edu’s knee? Hope it wasn’t a bad injury.

so far, none. he was in street clothes for the xavier game but walking normally without any crutches or anything. he was hurt jumping straight up for an alley oop. so, it it's unlikely that it was directly related to his ACL injury, but the concern is it might be related to the overall structural health of the knee. secondly, even if it isn't serious it could be a psychological blow to him. Full ACL recovery requires not just a return to full strength but a return to full trust in the joint. Setbacks like this really challenge a kid's faith in the strength of the joint and can lead to periods of trepidation and caution that limits their effectiveness.

As far as Toledo, they nearly beat Xavier without Edu, with his backup replacement in foul trouble and their top playmaker in the game knocked out in crunch time with a head injury. ultimately, short handed they just looked too tired to finish, plus, star pg marreon jackson had a really poor game by his standards. So far, UT has led 2 possible NCAA tourney teams (Bradley and Xavier) for about 65 of the 80 minutes they played, but couldn't finish off either one. This has been a trend of UT teams in recent years. Generally, very competitive and able to play with anyone, but lousy down the stretch of close games. The staff has dug a little deeper into the bench than in years past, but may need to double down there and really use their improved depth to save more energy for crunch time. This is a capable Toledo team with a lot of scoring options, good guard play and 2 legit rim protectors, but they gotta show they can rise to the moment and make the game winning shot or stop.

Also, a side note on the Ohio game, which OU also led almost in entirety but found a way to lose. I thought Preston outplayed Illinois' all american guard and the stats back that up. I'd consider OU the MAC favorite at this point. Other teams might have a little more seasoned overall talent, but none can control the pace like OU can w Preston. In addition, OU's team energy, coaching and defense look pretty high level.

One difference in how MAC teams' coaches play out end of game situations compared to P5 coaches is less nuanced understanding of when to foul. In the OU-Illinois game with 7 seconds, a 1 point lead and defending probably the best guard in the country going to the rim, but with a poor foul shooting big man also on the floor for Illinois, OU chose to let it play out and ended up committing an unplanned foul in the act of shooting on the drive-putting a good foul shooter to the line for the game winners. OU could have fouled Illinois' big guy and sent him to the line, which % wise would not have resulted to 2 made free throws. Plus, took their top offensive rebounder out of the picture on a miss. In contrast, down 3 with the ball setting up a potential game tying 3, WMU's new coach called a timeout during which Butler's coach instructed his players to immediately foul WMU's poor foul shooting big denying them the chance to take a shot to tie-it worked Butler won by 4.

pono,

I would agree that OU is the team to beat. Regarding that last play in Ohio vs Illinois, Illinois inbounded to their All American guard and he went coast to coast. How would you have coached up the players to get them to commit a foul on the big man? Just grabbing him away from the ball would probably be called an intentional foul, 2 shots and the ball.
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I can't believe we lost to Army for the second year in a row. Our time at the top is clearly 01-swc and we probably won't sniff it again as long as Whitesell is the coach. Such an uninspiring choice. How do you go from Bobby Hurley and Nate Oats to a guy who went under .500 in the Horizon League? 03-banghead03-banghead
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(11-29-2020 11:11 PM)pono Wrote:  One difference in how MAC teams' coaches play out end of game situations compared to P5 coaches is less nuanced understanding of when to foul. In the OU-Illinois game with 7 seconds, a 1 point lead and defending probably the best guard in the country going to the rim, but with a poor foul shooting big man also on the floor for Illinois, OU chose to let it play out and ended up committing an unplanned foul in the act of shooting on the drive-putting a good foul shooter to the line for the game winners. OU could have fouled Illinois' big guy and sent him to the line, which % wise would not have resulted to 2 made free throws. Plus, took their top offensive rebounder out of the picture on a miss. In contrast, down 3 with the ball setting up a potential game tying 3, WMU's new coach called a timeout during which Butler's coach instructed his players to immediately foul WMU's poor foul shooting big denying them the chance to take a shot to tie-it worked Butler won by 4.

I disagree. The problem with the end game situation was not whether they should foul or not (I would never send the other team to the line with a one point lead). The problem is they let the best player on the other team take the ball the length of the court without making him give up the ball. They decided to play full court man to man against a next-level athlete and it bit them in the arse. But at the end of the day it's something they can learn from.
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(12-01-2020 09:08 AM)zibby Wrote:  I can't believe we lost to Army for the second year in a row. Our time at the top is clearly 01-swc and we probably won't sniff it again as long as Whitesell is the coach. Such an uninspiring choice. How do you go from Bobby Hurley and Nate Oats to a guy who went under .500 in the Horizon League? 03-banghead03-banghead

As i've mentioned this was our choice because our administration has made it clear they are going to put all resources into football. They decided they didn't want to dish big money out to a basketball coach so this was the choice.

This will not change until Mark Alnutt is no longer our AD.
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(12-01-2020 10:51 AM)OUVan Wrote:  
(11-29-2020 11:11 PM)pono Wrote:  One difference in how MAC teams' coaches play out end of game situations compared to P5 coaches is less nuanced understanding of when to foul. In the OU-Illinois game with 7 seconds, a 1 point lead and defending probably the best guard in the country going to the rim, but with a poor foul shooting big man also on the floor for Illinois, OU chose to let it play out and ended up committing an unplanned foul in the act of shooting on the drive-putting a good foul shooter to the line for the game winners. OU could have fouled Illinois' big guy and sent him to the line, which % wise would not have resulted to 2 made free throws. Plus, took their top offensive rebounder out of the picture on a miss. In contrast, down 3 with the ball setting up a potential game tying 3, WMU's new coach called a timeout during which Butler's coach instructed his players to immediately foul WMU's poor foul shooting big denying them the chance to take a shot to tie-it worked Butler won by 4.

I disagree. The problem with the end game situation was not whether they should foul or not (I would never send the other team to the line with a one point lead). The problem is they let the best player on the other team take the ball the length of the court without making him give up the ball. They decided to play full court man to man against a next-level athlete and it bit them in the arse. But at the end of the day it's something they can learn from.

reasonable point, not many foul with a lead, but dosunmu is just too good at going coast to coast in that situation to take the chance. i mean, he is perhaps the best is recent memory (john wall, collin sexton, derrick rose?) at this level attacking full court, and too athletic to deny the ball on an out of bounds. i just believe in playing your opponent in situational basketball. what are their strengths? where might you have an advantage? you know if you play it straight up, he gets the ball and gets to the rim or draws a foul, guaranteed. plus, you know that man-child giant crushes the glass and probably puts back any miss or draws a foul in the process. so, how do you avoid these 3 certainties; a dosunmu layup, dosunmu at the line, big guy put back? i know williams or cockburn (that's the giant's name) are gonna set a pick or run interference and then crash the glass, giving me 2 chances to foul either. i know both are mediocre free throw shooters (and great offensive rebounders). so, i'm telling my guys to do anything that doesn't look intentional to get a foul called and make them hit 2 pressure free throws. and, hopefully, do it early in the play. so if they make 1 or both I've still got 3 or 4 seconds to get a decent shot up to win. either way OU looks great and deserved a win.
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(12-01-2020 12:18 PM)BullBoy Wrote:  
(12-01-2020 09:08 AM)zibby Wrote:  I can't believe we lost to Army for the second year in a row. Our time at the top is clearly 01-swc and we probably won't sniff it again as long as Whitesell is the coach. Such an uninspiring choice. How do you go from Bobby Hurley and Nate Oats to a guy who went under .500 in the Horizon League? 03-banghead03-banghead

As i've mentioned this was our choice because our administration has made it clear they are going to put all resources into football. They decided they didn't want to dish big money out to a basketball coach so this was the choice.

This will not change until Mark Alnutt is no longer our AD.

What happened to the $800k /yr contract they signed Nate Oats to?
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