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I've had a vasectomy and my wife is past child-bearing age. Do we still need to abstain from sex?

I mean, I know it's not really a matter of life-and-death. But we crave to be noble, virtue-signaling citizens all the same.

Based upon the display of unnecessary masking and social distancing by 200 or so fully vaccinated Congressional rodents at last night’s presidential speech to Congress, there’s apparently still more virtue-signaling theatre to be endured for the next few months.

I am fully vaccinated. I will not be forced to wear a mask, except in private residences or in municipal or business premises that I cannot otherwise avoid. If you are among those who think that you are being a “good citizen” by wearing a mask just to appear responsible, you are (at least in my view) embarrassing yourself and those around you.

And to tie this back to the purpose of this site, if ODU and its fans hope to regain the excitement of a full Constant Center next season, we had better start RIGHT NOW vocally speaking out against these ridiculously unnecessary public displays of mask worshipping.

Are you a human being or are you a livestock animal to be tethered and confined to your assigned paddock?

It's absolutely insane that fully vaccinated members of Congress congregated and wore their masks last night. What exactly are they proving?

I think the CDC guidance allows for small vaccinated groups to gather indoors without masks. I don’t know exactly what size a small group is but I don’t think Congress qualifies. Part of the problem with the the constantly changing guidance is that you can’t tell by looking at someone as to whether they have been vaccinated or not. There is still at least 30 - 40% of the population that says they will never get vaccinated, including many members of Congress.

(04-29-2021 07:53 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  I think the CDC guidance allows for small vaccinated groups to gather indoors without masks. I don’t know exactly what size a small group is but I don’t think Congress qualifies. Part of the problem with the the constantly changing guidance is that you can’t tell by looking at someone as to whether they have been vaccinated or not. There is still at least 30 - 40% of the population that says they will never get vaccinated, including many members of Congress.

Do you think vaccinated people should have to wear masks anywhere? If the vaccines work (and I believe they do), the data seems to show that you won't get the virus and therefore won't spread it, why wear a mask at all?

I'm worried that last night's display might actually encourage fewer people to get vaccinated.

(04-29-2021 07:53 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  I think the CDC guidance allows for small vaccinated groups to gather indoors without masks. I don’t know exactly what size a small group is but I don’t think Congress qualifies. Part of the problem with the the constantly changing guidance is that you can’t tell by looking at someone as to whether they have been vaccinated or not. There is still at least 30 - 40% of the population that says they will never get vaccinated, including many members of Congress.

I know you to be a thoughtful and sensible poster, CW. I mean that. But you are looking at things from exactly the wrong standpoint. Is it our society's responsibility to regulate those who follow good behavior because others insist on being irresponsible? More specifically:

=> Do we ban all persons from public parks because some are litterbugs? You cannot tell which ones are likely to be lazy pigs just by looking at them.

=>Do we outlaw nonmarital sex because some people are irresponsible and carry sdt's?
You cannot usually tell which have been exposed just by looking at them.

=> Do we put electronic monitors on all males between the ages of 15 and 25 because a statistically large percentage of them are prone to violence? You typically cannot tell which ones just by looking at them.

That is not how society is supposed to function, at least not a free one. I am vaccinated. If my neighbor chooses not to be, that is on him.

199 congressman fully vaccinated. Vaccine 95% effective. 1 nonvaccinated infected person exposes the rest. My math says roughy 10 people would still get infected.

(04-29-2021 08:03 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 07:53 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  I think the CDC guidance allows for small vaccinated groups to gather indoors without masks. I don’t know exactly what size a small group is but I don’t think Congress qualifies. Part of the problem with the the constantly changing guidance is that you can’t tell by looking at someone as to whether they have been vaccinated or not. There is still at least 30 - 40% of the population that says they will never get vaccinated, including many members of Congress.

Do you think vaccinated people should have to wear masks anywhere? If the vaccines work (and I believe they do), the data seems to show that you won't get the virus and therefore won't spread it, why wear a mask at all?

I'm worried that last night's display might actually encourage fewer people to get vaccinated.

The vaccines are not completely effective, but good enough to believe that yeah, fully vaccinated people should not have to wear masks. But most of the population is not vaccinated and are still required to wear masks in certain situations according to CDC guidance. And many businesses have mask rules that don’t account for vaccinated people. Only handicapped people can park in a handicapped parking spot. But how many times have you seen someone get out of their car and saunter into the store and think “their not handicapped”? This is the problem I was alluding to earlier. They don’t give you a “vaccinated” sticker to put on your forehead so that you are readily recognized as a vaccinated person. Until the vast majority of the population is vaccinated, it will most often be assumed you are not vaccinated. I didn’t see last night, but I’m not going to assume that anyone who wore a mask is vaccinated.

(04-29-2021 08:11 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 07:53 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  I think the CDC guidance allows for small vaccinated groups to gather indoors without masks. I don’t know exactly what size a small group is but I don’t think Congress qualifies. Part of the problem with the the constantly changing guidance is that you can’t tell by looking at someone as to whether they have been vaccinated or not. There is still at least 30 - 40% of the population that says they will never get vaccinated, including many members of Congress.

I know you to be a thoughtful and sensible poster, CW. I mean that. But you are looking at things from exactly the wrong standpoint. Is it our society's responsibility to regulate those who follow good behavior because others insist on being irresponsible? More specifically:

=> Do we ban all persons from public parks because some are litterbugs? You cannot tell which ones are likely to be lazy pigs just by looking at them.

=>Do we outlaw nonmarital sex because some people are irresponsible and carry sdt's?
You cannot usually tell which have been exposed just by looking at them.

=> Do we put electronic monitors on all males between the ages of 15 and 25 because a statistically large percentage of them are prone to violence? You typically cannot tell which ones just by looking at them.

That is not how society is supposed to function, at least not a free one. I am vaccinated. If my neighbor chooses not to be, that is on him.

Yes. We do it all the time, not your ridiculous analogies but all the time. Responsible in this situation is continuing to wear a mask in certain situations. You're looking at this from exactly the wrong standpoint. We could pretty much eradicate this disease at this point. The measles virus is multitudes more contagious, the vaccine is far less effective and the disease much less dangerous but we all but eradicated it before anti-vaxxing started to take hold. 1 in 20 vaccinated people exposed to the virus will still get infected and thus be infectious, so continued vigilance to stop the spread is still important at this point. As more people get vaccinated (hopefully) the virus will not be able to find hosts to continue to spread. Then boom, we're back to normal.

(04-29-2021 08:11 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 07:53 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  I think the CDC guidance allows for small vaccinated groups to gather indoors without masks. I don’t know exactly what size a small group is but I don’t think Congress qualifies. Part of the problem with the the constantly changing guidance is that you can’t tell by looking at someone as to whether they have been vaccinated or not. There is still at least 30 - 40% of the population that says they will never get vaccinated, including many members of Congress.

I know you to be a thoughtful and sensible poster, CW. I mean that. But you are looking at things from exactly the wrong standpoint. Is it our society's responsibility to regulate those who follow good behavior because others insist on being irresponsible? More specifically:

=> Do we ban all persons from public parks because some are litterbugs? You cannot tell which ones are likely to be lazy pigs just by looking at them.

=>Do we outlaw nonmarital sex because some people are irresponsible and carry sdt's?
You cannot usually tell which have been exposed just by looking at them.

=> Do we put electronic monitors on all males between the ages of 15 and 25 because a statistically large percentage of them are prone to violence? You typically cannot tell which ones just by looking at them.

That is not how society is supposed to function, at least not a free one. I am vaccinated. If my neighbor chooses not to be, that is on him.

I think you might be misunderstanding me. Isn’t the part you bolded a true statement? In the examples you give, the scofflaws are a small percentage of the population. So yes, we don’t assume to be able to pick them out just by looking at them. But the vast majority of the population is not yet vaccinated. So at this point in time, I don’t make any assumption that a masked person is vaccinated, nor that an unmasked person is not vaccinated. I don’t judge either way and I’m not going to ask anyone for their vaccination card. I am fully vaccinated and I would rather not wear a mask, but I am willing to follow the mask rules if they apply to everyone until we get through this.

(04-29-2021 08:14 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  199 congressman fully vaccinated. Vaccine 95% effective. 1 nonvaccinated infected person exposes the rest. My math says roughy 10 people would still get infected.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how it works, and I believe, a significant reason why people like Joy Reid are on tv bragging about wearing two masks while jogging outside, after being vaccinated.

95% effective does not mean that 1 out of 20 is going to get the virus after vaccination. Each individual's risk is decreased by 95%. In the trials, the actual percentage of vaccinated people in the Pfizer (and Moderna) trials who got COVID-19 was about a hundred times less than 5%. It was actually 0.04%.

(04-29-2021 08:38 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 08:11 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 07:53 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  I think the CDC guidance allows for small vaccinated groups to gather indoors without masks. I don’t know exactly what size a small group is but I don’t think Congress qualifies. Part of the problem with the the constantly changing guidance is that you can’t tell by looking at someone as to whether they have been vaccinated or not. There is still at least 30 - 40% of the population that says they will never get vaccinated, including many members of Congress.

I know you to be a thoughtful and sensible poster, CW. I mean that. But you are looking at things from exactly the wrong standpoint. Is it our society's responsibility to regulate those who follow good behavior because others insist on being irresponsible? More specifically:

=> Do we ban all persons from public parks because some are litterbugs? You cannot tell which ones are likely to be lazy pigs just by looking at them.

=>Do we outlaw nonmarital sex because some people are irresponsible and carry sdt's?
You cannot usually tell which have been exposed just by looking at them.

=> Do we put electronic monitors on all males between the ages of 15 and 25 because a statistically large percentage of them are prone to violence? You typically cannot tell which ones just by looking at them.

That is not how society is supposed to function, at least not a free one. I am vaccinated. If my neighbor chooses not to be, that is on him.

I think you might be misunderstanding me. Isn’t the part you bolded a true statement? In the examples you give, the scofflaws are a small percentage of the population. So yes, we don’t assume to be able to pick them out just by looking at them. But the vast majority of the population is not yet vaccinated. So at this point in time, I don’t make any assumption that a masked person is vaccinated, nor that an unmasked person is not vaccinated. I don’t judge either way and I’m not going to ask anyone for their vaccination card. I am fully vaccinated and I would rather not wear a mask, but I am willing to follow the mask rules if they apply to everyone until we get through this.

That is a fair distinction, and if you (a vaccinated person) believe that good manners warrant continued mask wearing then it is not my place to insist otherwise. But until enough of the bad-mannered among us (me included) start speaking up, we are going to be treated like the sheep that our betters presume us to be.

And until then, we are not going to return to fully attended men's basketball games at the Ted or normal tailgating activities for you football fans. And for no other reason than authoritarian theatre and our willingness to be compliant, good-mannered subjects.

(04-29-2021 08:47 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 08:14 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  199 congressman fully vaccinated. Vaccine 95% effective. 1 nonvaccinated infected person exposes the rest. My math says roughy 10 people would still get infected.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how it works, and I believe, a significant reason why people like Joy Reid are on tv bragging about wearing two masks while jogging outside, after being vaccinated.

95% effective does not mean that 1 out of 20 is going to get the virus after vaccination. Each individual's risk is decreased by 95%. In the trials, the actual percentage of vaccinated people in the Pfizer (and Moderna) trials who got COVID-19 was about a hundred times less than 5%. It was actually 0.04%.

You're right. It's an extremely effective vaccine but not 100% effective.

(04-29-2021 08:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  You're right. It's an extremely effective vaccine but not 100% effective.

If you agree that because the vaccines are extremely effective, and we'll never get to 100%, does it make sense for vaccinated people to continue to wear masks in perpetuity?

(04-29-2021 08:47 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 08:14 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  199 congressman fully vaccinated. Vaccine 95% effective. 1 nonvaccinated infected person exposes the rest. My math says roughy 10 people would still get infected.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how it works, and I believe, a significant reason why people like Joy Reid are on tv bragging about wearing two masks while jogging outside, after being vaccinated.

95% effective does not mean that 1 out of 20 is going to get the virus after vaccination. Each individual's risk is decreased by 95%. In the trials, the actual percentage of vaccinated people in the Pfizer (and Moderna) trials who got COVID-19 was about a hundred times less than 5%. It was actually 0.04%.

Thank you for clarifying that, because I think that is universally misunderstood. At least that’s the impression I get.

(04-29-2021 09:15 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 08:47 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 08:14 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  199 congressman fully vaccinated. Vaccine 95% effective. 1 nonvaccinated infected person exposes the rest. My math says roughy 10 people would still get infected.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how it works, and I believe, a significant reason why people like Joy Reid are on tv bragging about wearing two masks while jogging outside, after being vaccinated.

95% effective does not mean that 1 out of 20 is going to get the virus after vaccination. Each individual's risk is decreased by 95%. In the trials, the actual percentage of vaccinated people in the Pfizer (and Moderna) trials who got COVID-19 was about a hundred times less than 5%. It was actually 0.04%.

Thank you for clarifying that, because I think that is universally misunderstood. At least that’s the impression I get.

Me too, and frankly, I blame our "leaders" for not doing a better job with the messaging to help people understand it.

(04-29-2021 09:12 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 08:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  You're right. It's an extremely effective vaccine but not 100% effective.

Do you agree that because the vaccines are extremely effective, and we'll never get to 100%, does it make sense for vaccinated people to continue to wear masks in perpetuity?

I am hearing most experts say this will be with us in some form for the long run or many years at least. Like the flu, it will go up and down but not go away completely. Mturn used the measles analogy regarding how it was almost eradicated. I don’t think we will see that with COVID but I hope I am wrong. I think we will get it to a point soon enough that masks will be phased out of certain situations and will culminate in a complete phase out.

Edit for spelling Mturn.

(04-29-2021 09:12 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 08:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  You're right. It's an extremely effective vaccine but not 100% effective.

Do you agree that because the vaccines are extremely effective, and we'll never get to 100%, does it make sense for vaccinated people to continue to wear masks in perpetuity?

I think it makes sense for now, since we're still seeing 50K new cases a day and 700+ deaths. I think that could change very quickly as more people get vaccinated and I hope it does. Masking is a pretty stupid hill to die on IMO, and if it helps end this pandemic faster then I'm all for it. There's evidence that vaccinated can get and spread the disease and there's evidence that masks reduce the chance that wearing a mask reduces your chance of spreading it. While community spread is still relatively high then yes it makes sense to wear a mask in crowded public spaces.

(04-29-2021 09:21 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 09:12 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 08:58 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  You're right. It's an extremely effective vaccine but not 100% effective.

Do you agree that because the vaccines are extremely effective, and we'll never get to 100%, does it make sense for vaccinated people to continue to wear masks in perpetuity?

I am hearing most experts say this will be with us in some form for the long run or many years at least. Like the flu, it will go up and down but not go away completely. Mturn used the measles analogy regarding how it was almost eradicated. I don’t think we will see that with COVID but I hope I am wrong. I think we will get it to a point soon enough that masks will be phased out of certain situations and will culminate in a complete phase out.

Edit for spelling Mturn.

Mourn is fine. It doesn't seem to mutate as quickly as the flu does but it does mutate and if the US is able to bring it under relative control most of the rest of the world will still be lagging far behind, see India right now. So it will continue to mutate. I think we could be years from it not being a concern but months from full capacities and ending most restrictions. My biggest fear is that it mutates to effect children as much as it does adults. If y'all thought the measures before were draconian see what happens when school kids are getting sick and ending up in the hospital at the same rate as adults.

Here is what I think is ridiculous. Places that are or will require proof of vaccination for entry. What exactly is the standard? There is no controlling authority. Anyone can reproduce a CDC card on their own printer. They even tell you to only carry a copy with you so you don’t damage the original, since we may be getting a booster in the fall.