(11-10-2020 11:15 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 11:12 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The idea sounds good on its face, Lad... but a) it implies that politicians believe that compromise is good... and I believe that lots of them don't at all believe that... and b) as others have said, these sorts of things, the party 'not quite' in full control always supports... and the party 'holding just a sliver of power' would never want. It ALWAYS will favor the party with fewer votes.

The issue is that this 'small group of moderates' is a nebulous term... and I'm sure it would be manipulated.

I think the vastly better solution is for Progressives and Libertarians to not caucus with Democrats and Republicans. You've got people like AOC and others essentially saying that they are not Democrats and they intend to push Biden their way.... because 'they' got him elected.... and had more Democrats listened to them, they would have taken even MORE power. I mean let's be honest... They're going to vote with dems and against reps 99% of the time, but its that 1% that can make the difference. As an example, 'Democrats' are likely going to want to protect Obama's legacy through the ACA. Progressives want M4A. Trump was in favor of single payer. Numbers and I both accept or support a limited form of M4A. It might be easier to get US on board with M4A than some Democrats. Wouldn't THAT be interesting. Similarly, I think you'd find people like the righties on here willing to find common ground on 'sensible' gun laws with Democrats, but not some progressives nor with the far right... You'd find that also with gay marriage, much of the LGBTQ+ agenda and other issues.

I don't know that 'progressives' hold as much power as they think... but if they do, THIS would be how to take advantage of it. They can ALWAYS simply side with the democrats. I can't name any true representatives of those groups or a 'moderate' between dems and progs... but it would be very interesting if Dems nominated Pelosi as speaker and Progs nominated AOC... and they compromised on a more 'progressive friendly' democrat. You might actually have Republicans voting for Pelosi.

Ive not posted in this thread.

Just like Hispanic voters in the 2020 election, the progressives on this board are not a monolith. Haha.

I clearly meant big... mea culpa. Unlike you, I've never once implied that Democrats, Progressives or Hispanics were.

(11-10-2020 11:36 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 11:15 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 11:12 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The idea sounds good on its face, Lad... but a) it implies that politicians believe that compromise is good... and I believe that lots of them don't at all believe that... and b) as others have said, these sorts of things, the party 'not quite' in full control always supports... and the party 'holding just a sliver of power' would never want. It ALWAYS will favor the party with fewer votes.

The issue is that this 'small group of moderates' is a nebulous term... and I'm sure it would be manipulated.

I think the vastly better solution is for Progressives and Libertarians to not caucus with Democrats and Republicans. You've got people like AOC and others essentially saying that they are not Democrats and they intend to push Biden their way.... because 'they' got him elected.... and had more Democrats listened to them, they would have taken even MORE power. I mean let's be honest... They're going to vote with dems and against reps 99% of the time, but its that 1% that can make the difference. As an example, 'Democrats' are likely going to want to protect Obama's legacy through the ACA. Progressives want M4A. Trump was in favor of single payer. Numbers and I both accept or support a limited form of M4A. It might be easier to get US on board with M4A than some Democrats. Wouldn't THAT be interesting. Similarly, I think you'd find people like the righties on here willing to find common ground on 'sensible' gun laws with Democrats, but not some progressives nor with the far right... You'd find that also with gay marriage, much of the LGBTQ+ agenda and other issues.

I don't know that 'progressives' hold as much power as they think... but if they do, THIS would be how to take advantage of it. They can ALWAYS simply side with the democrats. I can't name any true representatives of those groups or a 'moderate' between dems and progs... but it would be very interesting if Dems nominated Pelosi as speaker and Progs nominated AOC... and they compromised on a more 'progressive friendly' democrat. You might actually have Republicans voting for Pelosi.

Ive not posted in this thread.

Just like Hispanic voters in the 2020 election, the progressives on this board are not a monolith. Haha.

I clearly meant big... mea culpa. Unlike you, I've never once implied that Democrats, Progressives or Hispanics were.

Oh gosh, take a joke.

Have you not heard that talking point since the election, based on the results in Miami and SW Texas, primarily?

(11-10-2020 12:15 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Oh gosh, take a joke.

Have you not heard that talking point since the election, based on the results in Miami and SW Texas, primarily?

No. I don't really listen to many talking points. Based on the locations I think it probably has something to do with the difference between Mexican and Cuban hispanics... but that's just a logical guess, and something that had been talked about as far back as 2012 and perhaps earlier... so if I'm wrong on my guess, then again, mea culpa. I had the same position on it back then as well. Even within the the Mexican and Cuban populations in SW Texas and Miami, I doubt we see meaningfully less 'single thought' among those communities that we see in 'non-hispanic whites' in SF, LA or NYC.

That said, it might be funny but for the fact that it was specifically an issue on here.

(11-10-2020 03:03 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 12:15 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Oh gosh, take a joke.

Have you not heard that talking point since the election, based on the results in Miami and SW Texas, primarily?

No. I don't really listen to many talking points. Based on the locations I think it probably has something to do with the difference between Mexican and Cuban hispanics... but that's just a logical guess, and something that had been talked about as far back as 2012 and perhaps earlier... so if I'm wrong on my guess, then again, mea culpa. I had the same position on it back then as well. Even within the the Mexican and Cuban populations in SW Texas and Miami, I doubt we see meaningfully less 'single thought' among those communities that we see in 'non-hispanic whites' in SF, LA or NYC.

That said, it might be funny but for the fact that it was specifically an issue on here.

The statement about the monolith was a major part of the post-election discussion - I guess I was more glued to the election counting and analysis than others on here.

(11-10-2020 03:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 03:03 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 12:15 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Oh gosh, take a joke.

Have you not heard that talking point since the election, based on the results in Miami and SW Texas, primarily?

No. I don't really listen to many talking points. Based on the locations I think it probably has something to do with the difference between Mexican and Cuban hispanics... but that's just a logical guess, and something that had been talked about as far back as 2012 and perhaps earlier... so if I'm wrong on my guess, then again, mea culpa. I had the same position on it back then as well. Even within the the Mexican and Cuban populations in SW Texas and Miami, I doubt we see meaningfully less 'single thought' among those communities that we see in 'non-hispanic whites' in SF, LA or NYC.

That said, it might be funny but for the fact that it was specifically an issue on here.

The statement about the monolith was a major part of the post-election discussion - I guess I was more glued to the election counting and analysis than others on here.

I got the joke and the reference. Biden did pretty well amongst Hispanics and Latinos in some states (CA, AZ, NM, CO) and pretty terrible in others (Rio Grande valley, south Florida).

(11-10-2020 10:39 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 03:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 03:03 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 12:15 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Oh gosh, take a joke.

Have you not heard that talking point since the election, based on the results in Miami and SW Texas, primarily?

No. I don't really listen to many talking points. Based on the locations I think it probably has something to do with the difference between Mexican and Cuban hispanics... but that's just a logical guess, and something that had been talked about as far back as 2012 and perhaps earlier... so if I'm wrong on my guess, then again, mea culpa. I had the same position on it back then as well. Even within the the Mexican and Cuban populations in SW Texas and Miami, I doubt we see meaningfully less 'single thought' among those communities that we see in 'non-hispanic whites' in SF, LA or NYC.

That said, it might be funny but for the fact that it was specifically an issue on here.

The statement about the monolith was a major part of the post-election discussion - I guess I was more glued to the election counting and analysis than others on here.

I got the joke and the reference. Biden did pretty well amongst Hispanics and Latinos in some states (CA, AZ, NM, CO) and pretty terrible in others (Rio Grande valley, south Florida).

Tarrant County

A study by the Associated Press found that counties with the worst virus surges overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

(11-11-2020 09:02 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Tarrant County
A study by the Associated Press found that counties with the worst virus surges overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

I think the biggest problem that Trump made in handling the virus was that he relied too much on people that he should have been able to rely upon, but who turned out to be pretty useless.

(11-11-2020 09:02 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 10:39 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 03:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 03:03 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 12:15 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Oh gosh, take a joke.

Have you not heard that talking point since the election, based on the results in Miami and SW Texas, primarily?

No. I don't really listen to many talking points. Based on the locations I think it probably has something to do with the difference between Mexican and Cuban hispanics... but that's just a logical guess, and something that had been talked about as far back as 2012 and perhaps earlier... so if I'm wrong on my guess, then again, mea culpa. I had the same position on it back then as well. Even within the the Mexican and Cuban populations in SW Texas and Miami, I doubt we see meaningfully less 'single thought' among those communities that we see in 'non-hispanic whites' in SF, LA or NYC.

That said, it might be funny but for the fact that it was specifically an issue on here.

The statement about the monolith was a major part of the post-election discussion - I guess I was more glued to the election counting and analysis than others on here.

I got the joke and the reference. Biden did pretty well amongst Hispanics and Latinos in some states (CA, AZ, NM, CO) and pretty terrible in others (Rio Grande valley, south Florida).

Tarrant County

A study by the Associated Press found that counties with the worst virus surges overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

I am shocked that people who overwhelmingly support Trump (his base) are also less likely to take precautions to avoid catching COVID-19. I've argued many times that Trump's general disposition on COVID-19 would filter down to his base, but each time I did, someone on this board would come back and tell me I was full of it.

This looks like a good piece of evidence to suggest that I wasn't quite off my rocker, especially given how politicized something like wearing a mask has become.

(11-11-2020 09:49 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 09:02 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 10:39 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 03:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 03:03 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  No. I don't really listen to many talking points. Based on the locations I think it probably has something to do with the difference between Mexican and Cuban hispanics... but that's just a logical guess, and something that had been talked about as far back as 2012 and perhaps earlier... so if I'm wrong on my guess, then again, mea culpa. I had the same position on it back then as well. Even within the the Mexican and Cuban populations in SW Texas and Miami, I doubt we see meaningfully less 'single thought' among those communities that we see in 'non-hispanic whites' in SF, LA or NYC.

That said, it might be funny but for the fact that it was specifically an issue on here.

The statement about the monolith was a major part of the post-election discussion - I guess I was more glued to the election counting and analysis than others on here.

I got the joke and the reference. Biden did pretty well amongst Hispanics and Latinos in some states (CA, AZ, NM, CO) and pretty terrible in others (Rio Grande valley, south Florida).

Tarrant County

A study by the Associated Press found that counties with the worst virus surges overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

I am shocked that people who overwhelmingly support Trump (his base) are also less likely to take precautions to avoid catching COVID-19. I've argued many times that Trump's general disposition on COVID-19 would filter down to his base, but each time I did, someone on this board would come back and tell me I was full of it.

This looks like a good piece of evidence to suggest that I wasn't quite off my rocker, especially given how politicized something like wearing a mask has become.

I know lots of people who are not masking, and not one of them has cited Trump as a reason. OTOH, I know of at least two who have face shields attached to their Trump 2020 hats. OTOH, I know lots of people who support Trump (his base) who are masking.

Conservatives are less likely to follow leaders in a sheeplike way, in my opinion. Lots of independent cusses on the right. But when I go to Wal-mart and see somebody without a mask, that does not automatically mean they are Trump voters and certainly does not mean they are following his example. Lots of unwarranted assumptions there.

Just repeating what the MSM tells you does not make it true. It might, maybe, show that you are off your rocker.

(11-11-2020 09:49 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I am shocked that people who overwhelmingly support Trump (his base) are also less likely to take precautions to avoid catching COVID-19. I've argued many times that Trump's general disposition on COVID-19 would filter down to his base, but each time I did, someone on this board would come back and tell me I was full of it.

This looks like a good piece of evidence to suggest that I wasn't quite off my rocker, especially given how politicized something like wearing a mask has become.

Please find me a quote of that instance.

I specifically recall telling you about my experience on the Memphis political board (it USED to be the only one on here) where my calls for better flu hygiene had me lumped in with people hiding in their basements. I know that Numbers was in the same accord... I don't really remember about OO or Tanq, but it would surprise me if they were against masks.

What I recall people telling you was that it was ridiculous to claim that Democrats would comply better if Trump told them to wear masks... and you agreed with this. Because of my specific experience on the Memphis board, where NOT ONE person said, I don't wear a mask because Trump doesn't... which is what you were calling for... they would STOP supporting Trump if he started acting like Biden was... which they called hiding in his basement... what they accused me of doing. In fact, the fact that Trump got COVID and was back to work in a few days only emboldened them. As far as THEY are concerned, it proved their point.

So you're still off your rocker.

I think one of the big mistakes was the lengthy lockdown. It became pretty evident early on that 1) the at-risk population was elderly people not in good health to begin with, and 2) masks and social distancing at least reduce the spread.

Once those two items became known, it seems to me that the rational policy would have been to 1) identify the at-risk population and take maximum steps to screen them from possible infections, and 2) allow places to reopen for business provided that they required masks and social distancing. You want to open, require masks; no mask, no open. I think the market would have reached the optimum solution pretty quickly.

(11-11-2020 11:04 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 09:49 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I am shocked that people who overwhelmingly support Trump (his base) are also less likely to take precautions to avoid catching COVID-19. I've argued many times that Trump's general disposition on COVID-19 would filter down to his base, but each time I did, someone on this board would come back and tell me I was full of it.

This looks like a good piece of evidence to suggest that I wasn't quite off my rocker, especially given how politicized something like wearing a mask has become.

Please find me a quote of that instance.

I specifically recall telling you about my experience on the Memphis political board (it USED to be the only one on here) where my calls for better flu hygiene had me lumped in with people hiding in their basements. I know that Numbers was in the same accord... I don't really remember about OO or Tanq, but it would surprise me if they were against masks.

What I recall people telling you was that it was ridiculous to claim that Democrats would comply better if Trump told them to wear masks... and you agreed with this. Because of my specific experience on the Memphis board, where NOT ONE person said, I don't wear a mask because Trump doesn't... which is what you were calling for... they would STOP supporting Trump if he started acting like Biden was... which they called hiding in his basement... what they accused me of doing. In fact, the fact that Trump got COVID and was back to work in a few days only emboldened them. As far as THEY are concerned, it proved their point.

So you're still off your rocker.

I wear my mask in any public place. i see no good reason not to, nor do I think anybody who doesn't wear a mask is emulating Trump. That is just MSM biased propaganda.

(11-12-2020 12:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 11:04 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 09:49 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I am shocked that people who overwhelmingly support Trump (his base) are also less likely to take precautions to avoid catching COVID-19. I've argued many times that Trump's general disposition on COVID-19 would filter down to his base, but each time I did, someone on this board would come back and tell me I was full of it.

This looks like a good piece of evidence to suggest that I wasn't quite off my rocker, especially given how politicized something like wearing a mask has become.

Please find me a quote of that instance.

I specifically recall telling you about my experience on the Memphis political board (it USED to be the only one on here) where my calls for better flu hygiene had me lumped in with people hiding in their basements. I know that Numbers was in the same accord... I don't really remember about OO or Tanq, but it would surprise me if they were against masks.

What I recall people telling you was that it was ridiculous to claim that Democrats would comply better if Trump told them to wear masks... and you agreed with this. Because of my specific experience on the Memphis board, where NOT ONE person said, I don't wear a mask because Trump doesn't... which is what you were calling for... they would STOP supporting Trump if he started acting like Biden was... which they called hiding in his basement... what they accused me of doing. In fact, the fact that Trump got COVID and was back to work in a few days only emboldened them. As far as THEY are concerned, it proved their point.

So you're still off your rocker.

I wear my mask in any public place. i see no good reason not to, nor do I think anybody who doesn't wear a mask is emulating Trump. That is just MSM biased propaganda.

Im continually surprised that numerous posters implicitly argue that leadership doesn’t filter downward, and that how people act in positions of leadership do not influence the actions of those below them.

(11-11-2020 11:04 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 09:49 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I am shocked that people who overwhelmingly support Trump (his base) are also less likely to take precautions to avoid catching COVID-19. I've argued many times that Trump's general disposition on COVID-19 would filter down to his base, but each time I did, someone on this board would come back and tell me I was full of it.

This looks like a good piece of evidence to suggest that I wasn't quite off my rocker, especially given how politicized something like wearing a mask has become.

Please find me a quote of that instance.

I specifically recall telling you about my experience on the Memphis political board (it USED to be the only one on here) where my calls for better flu hygiene had me lumped in with people hiding in their basements. I know that Numbers was in the same accord... I don't really remember about OO or Tanq, but it would surprise me if they were against masks.

What I recall people telling you was that it was ridiculous to claim that Democrats would comply better if Trump told them to wear masks... and you agreed with this. Because of my specific experience on the Memphis board, where NOT ONE person said, I don't wear a mask because Trump doesn't... which is what you were calling for... they would STOP supporting Trump if he started acting like Biden was... which they called hiding in his basement... what they accused me of doing. In fact, the fact that Trump got COVID and was back to work in a few days only emboldened them. As far as THEY are concerned, it proved their point.

So you're still off your rocker.

I agreed that there was a chance some Democrats would have pushed back, but the net swing of mask in compliance would have been less, given Democrat policy preferences towards following general scientific consensus and conforming with government policy. Do you really think that the same number of Dems would have revolted against a mask mandate if all the health orgs were supporting a position Trump held? I think Dems would have valued the health orgs more than they pushed back against a Trump action.

Trump himself pushed the emboldening line when he got better from COVID, and hat fit in line with the messaging he had been using for the entire pandemic, where he has played down the severity of the virus. But sure, absolutely no noticeable influence from the POTUS regarding how his base has reacted to mask mandates. Everyone of his supporters would be acting the exact same way if he had worn a mask and encouraged all Americans to do the same.

(11-12-2020 07:49 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 12:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 11:04 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 09:49 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I am shocked that people who overwhelmingly support Trump (his base) are also less likely to take precautions to avoid catching COVID-19. I've argued many times that Trump's general disposition on COVID-19 would filter down to his base, but each time I did, someone on this board would come back and tell me I was full of it.

This looks like a good piece of evidence to suggest that I wasn't quite off my rocker, especially given how politicized something like wearing a mask has become.

Please find me a quote of that instance.

I specifically recall telling you about my experience on the Memphis political board (it USED to be the only one on here) where my calls for better flu hygiene had me lumped in with people hiding in their basements. I know that Numbers was in the same accord... I don't really remember about OO or Tanq, but it would surprise me if they were against masks.

What I recall people telling you was that it was ridiculous to claim that Democrats would comply better if Trump told them to wear masks... and you agreed with this. Because of my specific experience on the Memphis board, where NOT ONE person said, I don't wear a mask because Trump doesn't... which is what you were calling for... they would STOP supporting Trump if he started acting like Biden was... which they called hiding in his basement... what they accused me of doing. In fact, the fact that Trump got COVID and was back to work in a few days only emboldened them. As far as THEY are concerned, it proved their point.

So you're still off your rocker.

I wear my mask in any public place. i see no good reason not to, nor do I think anybody who doesn't wear a mask is emulating Trump. That is just MSM biased propaganda.

Im continually surprised that numerous posters implicitly argue that leadership doesn’t filter downward, and that how people act in positions of leadership do not influence the actions of those below them.

Explicitly.

So you and other other Democrats emulate Joe's sleazy attitude toward women? That would explain the news about Jeffrey Toobin

What do you emulate from Schumer and Nancy? Omar? AOC?

I think conservatives, across the board, are more independent than liberals. That's why I keep referring to them as independent cusses. We think for ourselves. So we get a diversity of thought.

At last night's poker game, we had 15 players. Fifteen Trump voters. Fifteen wearing masks. Nobody emulating Trump. Nobody emulating Biden. Fifteen people who chose to do that in this way. I know of at least one who chose not to attend because he did not want to wear a mask. His choice. Not Trump's, HIS.

I guess you Libs are so used to blindly following the leader you think everybody does it. and you must be deaf, because you keep ignoring what we say.

It really doesn't matter is trump wears a mask or not. He is not in the same position as I am, or you are. And certainly the MSM/Libs would find fault with whatever he did.

Now stop this foolishness and go tell your significant other you are going to emulate Bill Clinton.

(11-12-2020 09:59 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 07:49 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 12:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 11:04 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 09:49 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I am shocked that people who overwhelmingly support Trump (his base) are also less likely to take precautions to avoid catching COVID-19. I've argued many times that Trump's general disposition on COVID-19 would filter down to his base, but each time I did, someone on this board would come back and tell me I was full of it.

This looks like a good piece of evidence to suggest that I wasn't quite off my rocker, especially given how politicized something like wearing a mask has become.

Please find me a quote of that instance.

I specifically recall telling you about my experience on the Memphis political board (it USED to be the only one on here) where my calls for better flu hygiene had me lumped in with people hiding in their basements. I know that Numbers was in the same accord... I don't really remember about OO or Tanq, but it would surprise me if they were against masks.

What I recall people telling you was that it was ridiculous to claim that Democrats would comply better if Trump told them to wear masks... and you agreed with this. Because of my specific experience on the Memphis board, where NOT ONE person said, I don't wear a mask because Trump doesn't... which is what you were calling for... they would STOP supporting Trump if he started acting like Biden was... which they called hiding in his basement... what they accused me of doing. In fact, the fact that Trump got COVID and was back to work in a few days only emboldened them. As far as THEY are concerned, it proved their point.

So you're still off your rocker.

I wear my mask in any public place. i see no good reason not to, nor do I think anybody who doesn't wear a mask is emulating Trump. That is just MSM biased propaganda.

Im continually surprised that numerous posters implicitly argue that leadership doesn’t filter downward, and that how people act in positions of leadership do not influence the actions of those below them.

Explicitly.

So you and other other Democrats emulate Joe's sleazy attitude toward women? That would explain the news about Jeffrey Toobin

What do you emulate from Schumer and Nancy? Omar? AOC?

I think conservatives, across the board, are more independent than liberals. That's why I keep referring to them as independent cusses. We think for ourselves. So we get a diversity of thought.

At last night's poker game, we had 15 players. Fifteen Trump voters. Fifteen wearing masks. Nobody emulating Trump. Nobody emulating Biden. Fifteen people who chose to do that in this way. I know of at least one who chose not to attend because he did not want to wear a mask. His choice. Not Trump's, HIS.

I guess you Libs are so used to blindly following the leader you think everybody does it. and you must be deaf, because you keep ignoring what we say.

It really doesn't matter is trump wears a mask or not. He is not in the same position as I am, or you are. And certainly the MSM/Libs would find fault with whatever he did.

Now stop this foolishness and go tell your significant other you are going to emulate Bill Clinton.

Are you seriously arguing that only liberals are influenced by the actions of their leaders?

And I'm speaking broadly about leaders, not solely politicians.

(11-12-2020 10:09 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 09:59 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 07:49 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 12:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 11:04 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Please find me a quote of that instance.

I specifically recall telling you about my experience on the Memphis political board (it USED to be the only one on here) where my calls for better flu hygiene had me lumped in with people hiding in their basements. I know that Numbers was in the same accord... I don't really remember about OO or Tanq, but it would surprise me if they were against masks.

What I recall people telling you was that it was ridiculous to claim that Democrats would comply better if Trump told them to wear masks... and you agreed with this. Because of my specific experience on the Memphis board, where NOT ONE person said, I don't wear a mask because Trump doesn't... which is what you were calling for... they would STOP supporting Trump if he started acting like Biden was... which they called hiding in his basement... what they accused me of doing. In fact, the fact that Trump got COVID and was back to work in a few days only emboldened them. As far as THEY are concerned, it proved their point.

So you're still off your rocker.

I wear my mask in any public place. i see no good reason not to, nor do I think anybody who doesn't wear a mask is emulating Trump. That is just MSM biased propaganda.

Im continually surprised that numerous posters implicitly argue that leadership doesn’t filter downward, and that how people act in positions of leadership do not influence the actions of those below them.

Explicitly.

So you and other other Democrats emulate Joe's sleazy attitude toward women? That would explain the news about Jeffrey Toobin

What do you emulate from Schumer and Nancy? Omar? AOC?

I think conservatives, across the board, are more independent than liberals. That's why I keep referring to them as independent cusses. We think for ourselves. So we get a diversity of thought.

At last night's poker game, we had 15 players. Fifteen Trump voters. Fifteen wearing masks. Nobody emulating Trump. Nobody emulating Biden. Fifteen people who chose to do that in this way. I know of at least one who chose not to attend because he did not want to wear a mask. His choice. Not Trump's, HIS.

I guess you Libs are so used to blindly following the leader you think everybody does it. and you must be deaf, because you keep ignoring what we say.

It really doesn't matter is trump wears a mask or not. He is not in the same position as I am, or you are. And certainly the MSM/Libs would find fault with whatever he did.

Now stop this foolishness and go tell your significant other you are going to emulate Bill Clinton.

Are you seriously arguing that only liberals are influenced by the actions of their leaders?

And I'm speaking broadly about leaders, not solely politicians.

Yet another case of libs presenting something as all or nothing.


Here's what I said, in case you skimmed over it:

I think conservatives, across the board, are more independent than liberals.

So the answer to your question above is NO.

I think the MSM has fostered this myth that people not wearing masks are emulating Trump, and a lot of Democrats/liberals have swallowed it hook, line, and sinker, because they hate Trump so much they are inclined to believe anything bad about him from any source.

Like I said, conservatives are a bunch of independent cusses. We make up our own minds. when the mask orders were first made, many people were not doing them. I thought about it and decided, FOR MYSELF, it was better to mask than not mask. I wasn't emulating anybody. I keep telling you this, and you keep telling me otherwise. It's almost as if you cannot conceive of somebody not following instructions or not emulating their heroes. The only hero I emulate is my late father.

(11-12-2020 10:20 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 10:09 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 09:59 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 07:49 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(11-12-2020 12:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I wear my mask in any public place. i see no good reason not to, nor do I think anybody who doesn't wear a mask is emulating Trump. That is just MSM biased propaganda.

Im continually surprised that numerous posters implicitly argue that leadership doesn’t filter downward, and that how people act in positions of leadership do not influence the actions of those below them.

Explicitly.

So you and other other Democrats emulate Joe's sleazy attitude toward women? That would explain the news about Jeffrey Toobin

What do you emulate from Schumer and Nancy? Omar? AOC?

I think conservatives, across the board, are more independent than liberals. That's why I keep referring to them as independent cusses. We think for ourselves. So we get a diversity of thought.

At last night's poker game, we had 15 players. Fifteen Trump voters. Fifteen wearing masks. Nobody emulating Trump. Nobody emulating Biden. Fifteen people who chose to do that in this way. I know of at least one who chose not to attend because he did not want to wear a mask. His choice. Not Trump's, HIS.

I guess you Libs are so used to blindly following the leader you think everybody does it. and you must be deaf, because you keep ignoring what we say.

It really doesn't matter is trump wears a mask or not. He is not in the same position as I am, or you are. And certainly the MSM/Libs would find fault with whatever he did.

Now stop this foolishness and go tell your significant other you are going to emulate Bill Clinton.

Are you seriously arguing that only liberals are influenced by the actions of their leaders?

And I'm speaking broadly about leaders, not solely politicians.

Yet another case case of libs presenting something as all or nothing.


Here's what I said, in case you skimmed over it:

I think conservatives, across the board, are more independent than liberals.

I think the MSM has fostered this myth that people not wearing masks are emulating Trump, and a lot of Democrats/liberals have swallowed it hook, line, and sinker, because they hate Trump so much they are inclined to believe anything bad about him from any source.

Like I said, conservatives are a bunch of independent cusses. We make up our own minds. when the mask orders were first made, many people were not doing them. I thought about it and decided, FOR MYSELF, it was better to mask than not mask. I wasn't emulating anybody. I keep telling you this, and you keep telling me otherwise. It's almost as if you cannot conceive of somebody not following instructions or not emulating their heroes. The only hero I emulate is my late father.

This is why I said that: "I guess you Libs are so used to blindly following the leader you think everybody does it. and you must be deaf, because you keep ignoring what we say." and you keep talking about how conservatives are all independent, in comparison to liberals...

I don't think this is coming from the MSM - I mean, you yourself posted about how heavily Republican voting districts are being more heavily impacted by COVID-19 right now. I'm saying there is likely a correlation between that and the current leadership of their party, since their current leadership continues to minimize the potential severity of the virus.

Imagine you work in a business and there is a rule that everyone must clean up their desk at the end of the day. Then let's say that every day, the head of the office doesn't clean up their desk. Do you think employees will be more or less likely to clean up their desk?

We seem to have strayed from organizing the Senate

(11-12-2020 10:32 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  This is why I said that: "I guess you Libs are so used to blindly following the leader you think everybody does it. and you must be deaf, because you keep ignoring what we say." and you keep talking about how conservatives are all independent, in comparison to liberals...

All? ALL? Once again, I said MORE. and I said you keep ignoring what I say,, and then immediately you ignore what I said.

Quote:I don't think this is coming from the MSM - I mean, you yourself posted about how heavily Republican voting districts are being more heavily impacted by COVID-19 right now. I'm saying there is likely a correlation between that and the current leadership of their party, since their current leadership continues to minimize the potential severity of the virus.

I don't think I said that.

And your own words betray a lineage back to the MSM. Someday you will hear yourself speak and wonder "where did that come from"?

Quote:Imagine you work in a business and there is a rule that everyone must clean up their desk at the end of the day. Then let's say that every day, the head of the office doesn't clean up their desk. Do you think employees will be more or less likely to clean up their desk?

I guess if I wanted to keep my job, I would follow the written policy and gripe about how the rules apply to me but not him. Is that what you do at your job?

Which jobs are being protected by the (presumably Trump imitating) conservative sycophants?

I liked Reagan, but that didn't lead me to ride horses. I liked Bush 41, but that didn't inspire me to jump out of airplanes - or fly them. I liked Bush 43, but that didn't inspire me to chop wood on my ranch.

I presume this means since Biden can work out of a basement, you think you can too?