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(10-09-2020 05:01 PM)zablenoise Wrote: (10-09-2020 04:54 PM)Zorch Wrote: I think that if the 7 sports are ultimately dropped that the Tribe Club can forget about ever getting a single dime from followers of any of the 7 sports (and even from followers of other sports who wonder if they will be next). So, will the increased giving (if any) of the football/basketball crowd be enough to offset the loss of donations from fans of those other sports?
Cynically, I'm not sure that's enough money to make a difference. Like our Tribe Club coffers weren't overflowing because of our men's gymnastics team. If "Save the Tribe 7" wants to hit the AD in the wallet I think the department would respond by scaling down further and putting together a skeleton list of sports that still have donors. I don't see that as an outcome anyone really wants.
I think that you would be surprised by how much the "lesser" sports contribute to the Tribe Club. MGym gave $120K this year, ranking it fourth among sports. Swimming gave $191K (exceeded only by Football's $433K). Men's Track was fifth with $109K. I highlighted these numbers in a post in the "W&M Drops Seven Sports" thread and I have inserted it below.
Meanwhile, here are two good links. The first is "Cutting NCAA Sports Saves A Buck, But Costly to Schools, Athletes" by nationally famous and highly regarded Christine Brennan. The closing paragraphs are great:
"At William & Mary, though, the university community has risen up for a fierce fight to save the 118 athletes and 13 coaches affected by the elimination of the seven sports. The athletic director is gone, while alumni from those sports are aggressively campaigning for the programs’ reinstatement.
In other words, the athlete alums are the very people William & Mary should have known they would be: totally engaged, looking out for their school, fighting for those who came after them, the kind of people they should never want to lose."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...5909358002
The second is an email sent to all the honchos from an alumnus named Roger Crook. He thoroughly dissects and disembowels the presentation that Jeremy Martin just gave. Since Crook sent his email on 9/29, I am rather shocked that Martin went ahead and presented it. I got both of these links from the Save Tribe Swimming website.
https://616e0124-2790-47d0-96a7-e87abf76...93332c.pdf
EDIT: I also meant to say that the Swimming website has a "Pledge To Not Donate" list. Interesting that just since its inception on October 7 it already had more than 470 names. That is a lot of money lost to the College.
(10-06-2020 03:21 PM)Zorch Wrote: I saw a spreadsheet on the Tribe Athletics site that shows the fundraising history, by sport, of the Tribe Club for the last seven years. It is called "Tribe Club Fundraising History (7 Years)" at this link:
https://tribeathletics.com/sports/2020/9...px?id=1869
It is interesting to note several things about the spreadsheet. First, it separates all men's and women's sports except for swimming and golf where they are combined. So, of the 17 different entries on the sheet, 13 of them suffered drops in Tribe Club giving between 2019 and 2020. Some of those drops were quite large which I wlll highlight below. However, of the 4 that saw gains in giving, 3 of them were Swimming, Men's Gymnastics, and Women's Gymnastics (the fourth was Women's Basketball). WBB went up only $1,715.76 (2%). Swimming went up $58,993.47 (44.6%!). MGym went up $25,870.49 (27.5%) and WGym went up $19,731.43 (91.7%).
Football went down $277K (39%), MBB went down $254K (61.6%). Baseball and MSoc also had large drops.
The point is: hopefully the new AD will look at this and realize that since only 4 sports had increased their donations in the last year that maybe cutting 3 of those 4 sports was not such a great idea !!
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I have three questions that I think need to be answered: 1) You have estimated how much money would be saved by the elimination of the 7 teams, what is your estimate of the loss of revenue to the athletic department due to the displeasure of donors with your proposed action and what is the basis of your estimate? 2) I believe there are approximately 5,000 alumni who participated in the 7 sports to be eliminated, what is your estimate of the loss revenue on the academic side from them as a result of the cutting of the seven teams ? How much of that loss is on a per year basis and how much is from planned giving that will not happen? 3) As a way of increasing donations immediately why not announce that when fans are again allowed in Kaplan Arena, you will have a Tony Shaver Day celebrating his many years of service to the College, his being the coach with the most wins in school history and his being a great ambassador for the College ? This costs nothing to do and might result in substantial contributions. This would have been impossible with the past Athletic Director.