(01-16-2021 12:14 AM)Todor Wrote:  On my other WAC message board, a bunch of the new southland fans there are sure there won't be any FCS conferences/teams let in if/when there is a new arrangement of P5. And thats why they feel this move was made to the WAC now.

Some dude named TDCJTuffKat is one who posts a lot and he seems to be pretty in the know, and has been spot on so far about things. He posts things that don't show up for another week over here at least.

And he's 100% sure it will be a very, very short stay in the WAC for at least 3 schools. He has a one main prediction for where they'll all end up, but he is sure no FCS will be coming along.

I don't know either way. Pretty hard to predict I'd guess. I dont have any idea who he is but he's had solid info so far.

I am 100% sure the Texas Four will not go back to the SLC. This was the no-brainer move. The WAC is the better conference for Olympic sports and football has an opportunity to go to FBS at some point down the road. Some of these guys cannot accept the fact that the Texas Four is leaving the SLC and they are not looking back. They will become the Texas Six, drop the financially struggling Louisiana schools and join seven western schools that are committed financially to getting better.

I phrased it wrong. New members of that forum who are fans of a southland school that is coming to the WAC. New southland fans wasn't very clear. Several of the posters are from Sam Houston. I think that's where the main prediction guy might be from.

(01-16-2021 03:53 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 12:14 AM)Todor Wrote:  On my other WAC message board, a bunch of the new southland fans there are sure there won't be any FCS conferences/teams let in if/when there is a new arrangement of P5. And thats why they feel this move was made to the WAC now.

Some dude named TDCJTuffKat is one who posts a lot and he seems to be pretty in the know, and has been spot on so far about things. He posts things that don't show up for another week over here at least.

And he's 100% sure it will be a very, very short stay in the WAC for at least 3 schools. He has a one main prediction for where they'll all end up, but he is sure no FCS will be coming along.

I don't know either way. Pretty hard to predict I'd guess. I dont have any idea who he is but he's had solid info so far.

I am 100% sure the Texas Four will not go back to the SLC. This was the no-brainer move. The WAC is the better conference for Olympic sports and football has an opportunity to go to FBS at some point down the road. Some of these guys cannot accept the fact that the Texas Four is leaving the SLC and they are not looking back. They will become the Texas Six, drop the financially struggling Louisiana schools and join seven western schools that are committed financially to getting better.

Hear! Hear!

(01-16-2021 03:53 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 12:14 AM)Todor Wrote:  On my other WAC message board, a bunch of the new southland fans there are sure there won't be any FCS conferences/teams let in if/when there is a new arrangement of P5. And thats why they feel this move was made to the WAC now.

Some dude named TDCJTuffKat is one who posts a lot and he seems to be pretty in the know, and has been spot on so far about things. He posts things that don't show up for another week over here at least.

And he's 100% sure it will be a very, very short stay in the WAC for at least 3 schools. He has a one main prediction for where they'll all end up, but he is sure no FCS will be coming along.

I don't know either way. Pretty hard to predict I'd guess. I dont have any idea who he is but he's had solid info so far.

I am 100% sure the Texas Four will not go back to the SLC. This was the no-brainer move. The WAC is the better conference for Olympic sports and football has an opportunity to go to FBS at some point down the road. Some of these guys cannot accept the fact that the Texas Four is leaving the SLC and they are not looking back. They will become the Texas Six, drop the financially struggling Louisiana schools and join seven western schools that are committed financially to getting better.

It will take a lot of money for WAC schools to field a competitive FBS conference. NMSU comes closest and even they don’t have the resources to gain respectability (note: I’m talking only about football here. The Aggies do just fine in basketball and several other sports).

(01-16-2021 10:54 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 03:53 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 12:14 AM)Todor Wrote:  On my other WAC message board, a bunch of the new southland fans there are sure there won't be any FCS conferences/teams let in if/when there is a new arrangement of P5. And thats why they feel this move was made to the WAC now.

Some dude named TDCJTuffKat is one who posts a lot and he seems to be pretty in the know, and has been spot on so far about things. He posts things that don't show up for another week over here at least.

And he's 100% sure it will be a very, very short stay in the WAC for at least 3 schools. He has a one main prediction for where they'll all end up, but he is sure no FCS will be coming along.

I don't know either way. Pretty hard to predict I'd guess. I dont have any idea who he is but he's had solid info so far.

I am 100% sure the Texas Four will not go back to the SLC. This was the no-brainer move. The WAC is the better conference for Olympic sports and football has an opportunity to go to FBS at some point down the road. Some of these guys cannot accept the fact that the Texas Four is leaving the SLC and they are not looking back. They will become the Texas Six, drop the financially struggling Louisiana schools and join seven western schools that are committed financially to getting better.

It will take a lot of money for WAC schools to field a competitive FBS conference. NMSU comes closest and even they don’t have the resources to gain respectability (note: I’m talking only about football here. The Aggies do just fine in basketball and several other sports).

Although NMSU is not usually competitive at the FBS level, it does bring the University considerably more revenue than if they were at the FCS level. That in itself is an incentive for the Texas schools to forge ahead toward FBS football. Wins will come fewer in between with the competition but the athletic budgets will beef up and bleed into other sports.

(01-16-2021 11:53 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 10:54 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 03:53 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 12:14 AM)Todor Wrote:  On my other WAC message board, a bunch of the new southland fans there are sure there won't be any FCS conferences/teams let in if/when there is a new arrangement of P5. And thats why they feel this move was made to the WAC now.

Some dude named TDCJTuffKat is one who posts a lot and he seems to be pretty in the know, and has been spot on so far about things. He posts things that don't show up for another week over here at least.

And he's 100% sure it will be a very, very short stay in the WAC for at least 3 schools. He has a one main prediction for where they'll all end up, but he is sure no FCS will be coming along.

I don't know either way. Pretty hard to predict I'd guess. I dont have any idea who he is but he's had solid info so far.

I am 100% sure the Texas Four will not go back to the SLC. This was the no-brainer move. The WAC is the better conference for Olympic sports and football has an opportunity to go to FBS at some point down the road. Some of these guys cannot accept the fact that the Texas Four is leaving the SLC and they are not looking back. They will become the Texas Six, drop the financially struggling Louisiana schools and join seven western schools that are committed financially to getting better.

It will take a lot of money for WAC schools to field a competitive FBS conference. NMSU comes closest and even they don’t have the resources to gain respectability (note: I’m talking only about football here. The Aggies do just fine in basketball and several other sports).

Although NMSU is not usually competitive at the FBS level, it does bring the University considerably more revenue than if they were at the FCS level. That in itself is an incentive for the Texas schools to forge ahead toward FBS football. Wins will come fewer in between with the competition but the athletic budgets will beef up and bleed into other sports.

I understand that economics may drive the decision to go that route but I like football and can’t imagine enduring one losing season after another to generate cash for other sports. Maybe if it leads to prospect of putting a basketball team on the court that’s as successful as yours I might change my mind. 22 NCAA appearances. I’m in awe. And I could always console myself with an occasional football bowl game, I suppose.

One can dream.......

5-State, Football/Full-Member WAC Conference:

WAC West
1. Weber St.
2. SUU
3. Dixie
4. NAU
5. NorCO
6. NMSU
7. Pick one: UVU (start football), WTAMU, Angelo, UTPB

WAC Southwest
1. Tarleton
2. ACU
3. SFA
4. Sam
5. UTRGV
6. Lamar
7. Pick one: WTAMU, Angelo, A&M-Commerce, UTPB, *A&M-Coastal (CC+Kingsville Merger)

(01-16-2021 12:24 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 11:53 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 10:54 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 03:53 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 12:14 AM)Todor Wrote:  On my other WAC message board, a bunch of the new southland fans there are sure there won't be any FCS conferences/teams let in if/when there is a new arrangement of P5. And thats why they feel this move was made to the WAC now.

Some dude named TDCJTuffKat is one who posts a lot and he seems to be pretty in the know, and has been spot on so far about things. He posts things that don't show up for another week over here at least.

And he's 100% sure it will be a very, very short stay in the WAC for at least 3 schools. He has a one main prediction for where they'll all end up, but he is sure no FCS will be coming along.

I don't know either way. Pretty hard to predict I'd guess. I dont have any idea who he is but he's had solid info so far.

I am 100% sure the Texas Four will not go back to the SLC. This was the no-brainer move. The WAC is the better conference for Olympic sports and football has an opportunity to go to FBS at some point down the road. Some of these guys cannot accept the fact that the Texas Four is leaving the SLC and they are not looking back. They will become the Texas Six, drop the financially struggling Louisiana schools and join seven western schools that are committed financially to getting better.

It will take a lot of money for WAC schools to field a competitive FBS conference. NMSU comes closest and even they don’t have the resources to gain respectability (note: I’m talking only about football here. The Aggies do just fine in basketball and several other sports).

Although NMSU is not usually competitive at the FBS level, it does bring the University considerably more revenue than if they were at the FCS level. That in itself is an incentive for the Texas schools to forge ahead toward FBS football. Wins will come fewer in between with the competition but the athletic budgets will beef up and bleed into other sports.

I understand that economics may drive the decision to go that route but I like football and can’t imagine enduring one losing season after another to generate cash for other sports. Maybe if it leads to prospect of putting a basketball team on the court that’s as successful as yours I might change my mind. 22 NCAA appearances. I’m in awe. And I could always console myself with an occasional football bowl game, I suppose.

I mean, we won the Arizona bowl a couple of years ago. There’s the occasional light in the darkness.

There has been a lot of talk on here about why the "Texas 4" left the SLC and also the possibility of the WAC being a FBS conference. With that in mind, I did some research on the athletic budgets of SLC schools and a sampling of non P-5 schools to provide some insight on what we are talking about money wise. This is based on 2018 numbers:

(01-16-2021 03:03 PM)CW Fishman Wrote:  There has been a lot of talk on here about why the "Texas 4" left the SLC and also the possibility of the WAC being a FBS conference. With that in mind, I did some research on the athletic budgets of SLC schools and a sampling of non P-5 schools to provide some insight on what we are talking about money wise. This is based on 2018 numbers:

NMSU had a football budget of $8.5 million in 2018. Lamar had a $4.3 million budget at the FCS level. Lamar will at a minimum need to double their football budget at the FBS level. The WAC football teams have a lot of work to do before they will be ready for FBS football, but the good news is they have plenty of time to prepare.

The facilities are also a factor. Lamar has recently updated their football stadium but it is a bit on the smallish size for FBS. The Montagne Center is a fine basketball arena and their baseball stadium is not bad either. I don't know much about the other Texas schools, except I went to SHSU's stadium for a high school playoff game a few years back and it was decent. To recruit in SBC, you need things like a state of the art athletic training and workout facility and that can run into 30-40 M. In the Gulf south an indoor practice field is also very helpful. I think most of the SBC teams have one. Recruits like the bling factor.

Just some random thoughts.

I’d like to throw out an idea to round out the WAC’s membership:

Sacramento St—full member
UC Davis and Cal Poly—fb affiliates

This would push NMSU into the Southwest Division
You’ve got CA schools and CA recruiting for the West Division

(01-16-2021 06:16 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’d like to throw out an idea to round out the WAC’s membership:

Sacramento St—full member
UC Davis and Cal Poly—fb affiliates

This would push NMSU into the Southwest Division
You’ve got CA schools and CA recruiting for the West Division

If it isn’t the Texas ban in California, if it isn’t Mountain West-or-bust for one of those schools, and if it isn’t the California system desire to reduce travel for student athletes... it’ll be the anti-amateurism efforts in California.

There are no motivations for California schools to commit to anything long term right now.

(01-16-2021 06:37 PM)Pounder Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 06:16 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’d like to throw out an idea to round out the WAC’s membership:

Sacramento St—full member
UC Davis and Cal Poly—fb affiliates

This would push NMSU into the Southwest Division
You’ve got CA schools and CA recruiting for the West Division

If it isn’t the Texas ban in California, if it isn’t Mountain West-or-bust for one of those schools, and if it isn’t the California system desire to reduce travel for student athletes... it’ll be the anti-amateurism efforts in California.

There are no motivations for California schools to commit to anything long term right now.

Unless its a private school, no California State School will be joining the WAC. Especially with all the Texas Schools as members.

We don’t want em anyways... enough hippies are migrating to Texas as is

A timeline for WAC football. Was this WAC football study mentioned on this board, when the study was completed?


http://www.collegiateconsulting.com/news...o-football

(01-16-2021 08:43 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  A timeline for WAC football. Was this WAC football study mentioned on this board, when the study was completed?


http://www.collegiateconsulting.com/news...o-football

The study was probably not released publicly. You don’t hire consultants to develop a strategy and then make it public.

(01-16-2021 06:37 PM)Pounder Wrote:  

(01-16-2021 06:16 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’d like to throw out an idea to round out the WAC’s membership:

Sacramento St—full member
UC Davis and Cal Poly—fb affiliates

This would push NMSU into the Southwest Division
You’ve got CA schools and CA recruiting for the West Division

If it isn’t the Texas ban in California, if it isn’t Mountain West-or-bust for one of those schools, and if it isn’t the California system desire to reduce travel for student athletes... it’ll be the anti-amateurism efforts in California.

There are no motivations for California schools to commit to anything long term right now.

On top of this, there's the obvious issue of sending all road conference FB games in TX. I don't see the draw for the CA schools to even consider this.

(01-16-2021 03:03 PM)CW Fishman Wrote:  There has been a lot of talk on here about why the "Texas 4" left the SLC and also the possibility of the WAC being a FBS conference. With that in mind, I did some research on the athletic budgets of SLC schools and a sampling of non P-5 schools to provide some insight on what we are talking about money wise. This is based on 2018 numbers:

Interesting. Here is a different take looking at the 2019 w/l record for schools at or below NMSU’s budget.

1. La Monroe 15.6 million, 5-7
2. La Tech 24.9 million, 10-3
3. S Miss 24.6 million, 7-6
4. Bowling Green 26 million, 3-9
5. Ball State 27.6 million, 5-7
6. New Mexico State 28 million, 2-10

The public schools moving from the Southland spend around 19 million each. Adding the number of scholarships necessary for FBS alone will push the total total to somehere in the middle of this group. Southern Utah spends less than the Southland schools but at or above LA.Monroe. ACU is a private school and it’s not included in the database but think the budget is between Southern Utah and the Southland public’s.

In short, it appears feasible for the WAC offer FBS funded at a minimum level

So what was the argument about why the WAC couldn't be a FBS conference. It be just another Sun Belt or CUSA league