No love for my Crew?

(01-22-2021 08:54 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  No love for my Crew?

I have respect for them

(01-22-2021 08:54 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  No love for my Crew?

Mannnnn!! I’m an Austin FC fan but it’s #SaveTheCrew365 over here. Glad you guys won the chip and F Precourt for trying to take the team of a founding MLS member.


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(01-22-2021 08:56 PM)coogkat14 Wrote:  

(01-22-2021 08:54 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  No love for my Crew?

Mannnnn!! I’m an Austin FC fan but it’s #SaveTheCrew365 over here. Glad you guys won the chip and F Precourt for trying to take the team of a founding MLS member.


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Nothing but love for Austin fans, you guys will bring a lot to the league!

FC Dallas fan and can’t wait to go to a game in Austin. Looks like a beautiful stadium. I collect jerseys and will be getting one of the green stripes.

You did it you crazy bastards!!! We made it to 100!!!

Oh the irony, post 1000 about WAC expansion was about ... MLS soccer. Nice.

(01-22-2021 09:22 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  Oh the irony, post 1000 about WAC expansion was about ... MLS soccer. Nice.

We needed 100 pages and 1000 posts. Whatever made it happen.

(01-22-2021 08:54 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  No love for my Crew?

I've been a Crew fan since the beginning. MLS Cup was exciting and very appropriate that the 25th MLS Championship was played in the first soccer stadium in its final full season and won by an original team.

Sorry to keep the thread OT.

(01-22-2021 09:40 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-22-2021 08:54 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  No love for my Crew?

I've been a Crew fan since the beginning. MLS Cup was exciting and very appropriate that the 25th MLS Championship was played in the first soccer stadium in its final full season and won by an original team.

Sorry to keep the thread OT.

I don't think being on or off topic matters anymore. Now it's just seeing how many pages and posts we can get.

(01-21-2021 12:31 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Any chance Sac St may be interested? UC Davis would be a great get but even though they are an outlier in the Big West they really like there apparently.

Doubt it, but you never know. Hard sell getting a CA school to want to fly to TX for most of its road conference FB games. The divisional split wouldn't be a bad set up on the Oly sport side of things (at least for Sac State, harder sell for the dungpilers to expand its travel)




Regarding Todors flight concern, I think it is legitimate a handful of years down the road. Depending on realignment at the higher levels of FBS (P5), a spot could open up at CUSA or SBC that could result in the best of the TX4 getting an invite. Hell, if it is determined that adding a couple of schools in TX adds to the SCB bottom line, they could always grow to 12 and knee cap any WAC FBS aspirations just like that. Sorry NMSU, you're not getting an FBS invite ahead of one of these TX move-ups that shows potential.

Regarding the WAC as a whole going FBS, I think they can just sue their way in so I wouldn't get too hung up on whatever the "rules" are. Assuming everyone is on the same page regarding going FBS, I can see that happening. But the WAC will need more than the bare minimum of 8 given the concerns/risks listed in the paragraph above.

(01-22-2021 07:37 PM)coogkat14 Wrote:  

(01-22-2021 07:09 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-22-2021 04:54 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-22-2021 04:45 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-22-2021 04:12 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  The concept of "peer universities" is about more than academics - some big components are mission, demographics, geography, and funding. NMSU has a list of peer institutions, and they are all either land grant universities that are west of the Mississippi or large universities that are close to NMSU (UNM, UTEP, Texas Tech). There would have to be some structural changes for NMSU to view any of the Texas 4 as a peer, I think. The Big Sky is more institutionally similar to NMSU than the WAC is.

I didn’t consider the peer institution comment a slight.
ACU wouldn’t consider NMSU or any of the Texas WAC schools peer institutions either for the reasons you identify. Our mission, history , & funding differs in distinctive ways. Our list of peer institutions includes both universities most like us and a few institutions that share our mission that we aspire to become more like.

Our peers are all religiously affiliated private universities or close by private schools. Land grant universities and regional state schools serve different purposes.

Harding being peer number one most likely. No more similar school in many ways. Possibly Wayland and Lubbock in some ways, Oklahoma Baptist and Christian, but more likely Oral Roberts. HBU and IWU would have been the closets peers in the SLC.

Lipscomb is perhaps the school most like us. Our theology aligns more closely to Pepperdine than Harding. Schools outside of our religious tradition but related in many ways include Samford, Calvin and Azusa Pacific. California Baptist, Seattle and Grand Canyon will be our closest peers in the new WAC in the sense that we are all private and religiously affiliated.

Seeing you guys post about your universities peer institutions had me interested in who Sam Houston State views as it’s peer institutions. So after some diving I found a report from 2016 and they had listed, East Tennessee State, Georgia Southern, Illinois State, Middle Tennessee and UNC Greensboro as their out of state peer institutions. Apparently these are institutions that match us in size, prestige and demographics. I guess we don’t have to look to hard to see who we view as our instate peers. Haha


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The New WAC will be made up largely of schools I’d consider SHSU peer institutions, at least based solely on mission— mid to large size regional state universities. All three Utah schools and all the Texas schools minus ACU fall into this category.
NMSU as the sole land grant institution and the three private achoos are in the minority.

(01-23-2021 02:42 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 12:31 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Any chance Sac St may be interested? UC Davis would be a great get but even though they are an outlier in the Big West they really like there apparently.

Doubt it, but you never know. Hard sell getting a CA school to want to fly to TX for most of its road conference FB games. The divisional split wouldn't be a bad set up on the Oly sport side of things (at least for Sac State, harder sell for the dungpilers to expand its travel)




Regarding Todors flight concern, I think it is legitimate a handful of years down the road. Depending on realignment at the higher levels of FBS (P5), a spot could open up at CUSA or SBC that could result in the best of the TX4 getting an invite. Hell, if it is determined that adding a couple of schools in TX adds to the SCB bottom line, they could always grow to 12 and knee cap any WAC FBS aspirations just like that. Sorry NMSU, you're not getting an FBS invite ahead of one of these TX move-ups that shows potential.

Regarding the WAC as a whole going FBS, I think they can just sue their way in so I wouldn't get too hung up on whatever the "rules" are. Assuming everyone is on the same page regarding going FBS, I can see that happening. But the WAC will need more than the bare minimum of 8 given the concerns/risks listed in the paragraph above.

With what money? Except for conference tournaments, The WAC can't even pay for COVID testing.

Why would the WAC need to sue for FBS access?

NCAA rules already allow for the league to move up to FBS as a league. Not sure how the ASUN plans to navigate but it won’t be an issue for the WAC as a prior home to FBS football.

(01-23-2021 12:44 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Why would the WAC need to sue for FBS access?

NCAA rules already allow for the league to move up to FBS as a league. Not sure how the ASUN plans to navigate but it won’t be an issue for the WAC as a prior home to FBS football.

We wouldn't have to sue for FBS access, but we might if the other 10 conferences won't cut us into the CFP payouts.

(01-23-2021 12:27 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(01-23-2021 02:42 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 12:31 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Any chance Sac St may be interested? UC Davis would be a great get but even though they are an outlier in the Big West they really like there apparently.

Doubt it, but you never know. Hard sell getting a CA school to want to fly to TX for most of its road conference FB games. The divisional split wouldn't be a bad set up on the Oly sport side of things (at least for Sac State, harder sell for the dungpilers to expand its travel)




Regarding Todors flight concern, I think it is legitimate a handful of years down the road. Depending on realignment at the higher levels of FBS (P5), a spot could open up at CUSA or SBC that could result in the best of the TX4 getting an invite. Hell, if it is determined that adding a couple of schools in TX adds to the SCB bottom line, they could always grow to 12 and knee cap any WAC FBS aspirations just like that. Sorry NMSU, you're not getting an FBS invite ahead of one of these TX move-ups that shows potential.

Regarding the WAC as a whole going FBS, I think they can just sue their way in so I wouldn't get too hung up on whatever the "rules" are. Assuming everyone is on the same page regarding going FBS, I can see that happening. But the WAC will need more than the bare minimum of 8 given the concerns/risks listed in the paragraph above.

With what money? Except for conference tournaments, The WAC can't even pay for COVID testing.

I know the country is dealing with a pandemic and all, but who started this rumor that every university in the country minus the P5s are broke. Sam has an endowment of 117 million, ACU has one of 451 million, SFA has one of 81 million. Our institutions aren’t broke. Hell Sam just opened up a med school with no bond help from the state. Not saying we’re picking money out of trees but this illusion that we don’t have money is funny. I’m pretty sure if there was a need to mount a lengthy legal campaign we can hang. Plus having worked for several representatives at the Texas capitol. Sam and SFA are loved in Austin. I’m pretty sure the state would make a spectacle of it behind the scenes to get the other Texas schools to fall in line. They were willing to blow up the big 12 at its inception if the four Texas schools didn’t work as a block.


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(01-23-2021 12:44 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Why would the WAC need to sue for FBS access?

NCAA rules already allow for the league to move up to FBS as a league. Not sure how the ASUN plans to navigate but it won’t be an issue for the WAC as a prior home to FBS football.

Agreed TT. But some posters believe that the G5 will gate keep to hoard revenue from the CFP or the P5 will gatekeep to keep from having to give additional CFP funds to the WAC or the NCAA will rewrite the FBS reclassification clause or the NCAA will finally start to enforce their attendance requirement for FBS classification that we’ll never meet because apparently we have no fans and no one wants to see WAC football. Man it’s like a continually revolving door of reasons why there WAC will never resume its place as a FBS conference, because you know our institutions haven’t worked collectively with their teams of lawyers to ensure that the conference moving back to FBS was a realistic possibilities before they mentioned it continuously at the WAC press conference as a long term goal.


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(01-23-2021 03:39 PM)coogkat14 Wrote:  

(01-23-2021 12:27 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(01-23-2021 02:42 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(01-21-2021 12:31 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Any chance Sac St may be interested? UC Davis would be a great get but even though they are an outlier in the Big West they really like there apparently.

Doubt it, but you never know. Hard sell getting a CA school to want to fly to TX for most of its road conference FB games. The divisional split wouldn't be a bad set up on the Oly sport side of things (at least for Sac State, harder sell for the dungpilers to expand its travel)




Regarding Todors flight concern, I think it is legitimate a handful of years down the road. Depending on realignment at the higher levels of FBS (P5), a spot could open up at CUSA or SBC that could result in the best of the TX4 getting an invite. Hell, if it is determined that adding a couple of schools in TX adds to the SCB bottom line, they could always grow to 12 and knee cap any WAC FBS aspirations just like that. Sorry NMSU, you're not getting an FBS invite ahead of one of these TX move-ups that shows potential.

Regarding the WAC as a whole going FBS, I think they can just sue their way in so I wouldn't get too hung up on whatever the "rules" are. Assuming everyone is on the same page regarding going FBS, I can see that happening. But the WAC will need more than the bare minimum of 8 given the concerns/risks listed in the paragraph above.

With what money? Except for conference tournaments, The WAC can't even pay for COVID testing.

I know the country is dealing with a pandemic and all, but who started this rumor that every university in the country minus the P5s are broke. Sam has an endowment of 117 million, ACU has one of 451 million, SFA has one of 81 million. Our institutions aren’t broke. Hell Sam just opened up a med school with no bond help from the state. Not saying we’re picking money out of trees but this illusion that we don’t have money is funny. I’m pretty sure if there was a need to mount a lengthy legal campaign we can hang. Plus having worked for several representatives at the Texas capitol. Sam and SFA are loved in Austin. I’m pretty sure the state would make a spectacle of it behind the scenes to get the other Texas schools to fall in line. They were willing to blow up the big 12 at its inception if the four Texas schools didn’t work as a block.


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Far from broke, and more importantly, we're all growing and thriving when most schools are struggling. We're all System schools now, with the exception of SFA being the last holdout (for now). The A&M System has massive pull with TX legislation, and the TX State System is growing as well. Endowment isn't as important to Tarleton as we are a founding member of the A&M System and a Texas PUF Institution. I believe SFA will also join the A&M System before long and will gain PUF status, like UTRGV did in 2015. Texas schools (all levels) are financially strong and stable, and we play football! We do not depend on FBS mercy (bodybag) games to float our athletic departments on razor thin margins. The TX public schools are true peer institutions. Yes, the privates will always out-endowment us, but the strength of our respective Systems is their impressive buying power and influence in Austin. We literally saved this conference from the brink in pursuit of FBS, and soon we'll be united and the power block in the WAC. Just like old times!

(01-23-2021 04:13 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  We literally saved this conference from the brink in pursuit of FBS, and soon we'll be united and the power block in the WAC. Just like old times!

Glad you've got you coup all figured out

(01-23-2021 03:59 PM)coogkat14 Wrote:  

(01-23-2021 12:44 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Why would the WAC need to sue for FBS access?

NCAA rules already allow for the league to move up to FBS as a league. Not sure how the ASUN plans to navigate but it won’t be an issue for the WAC as a prior home to FBS football.

Agreed TT. But some posters believe that the G5 will gate keep to hoard revenue from the CFP or the P5 will gatekeep to keep from having to give additional CFP funds to the WAC or the NCAA will rewrite the FBS reclassification clause or the NCAA will finally start to enforce their attendance requirement for FBS classification that we’ll never meet because apparently we have no fans and no one wants to see WAC football. Man it’s like a continually revolving door of reasons why there WAC will never resume its place as a FBS conference, because you know our institutions haven’t worked collectively with their teams of lawyers to ensure that the conference moving back to FBS was a realistic possibilities before they mentioned it continuously at the WAC press conference as a long term goal.


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There’s a persistent misperception that regaining FBS conference status in the eyes of the NCAA will somehow entitle the WAC to a cut of CFP money. It won’t.

The CFP is a private organization separate from the NCAA. It’s run by an 11-member commitee representing the current 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame who decide among themselves how to divvy up the cash they earn from their contract with ESPN. Unless ESPN is pushing them to do it, there’s no incentive for the current committee members to add a 12th member or change the cash distribution formula to include the WAC. The WAC hiring an army of lawyers and filing lawsuits won’t change that.