“No”

Completely understand your perspective

(11-01-2020 04:31 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 04:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 01:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 01:37 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-31-2020 02:24 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  This would all make sense if Steve Spurrier was still in his prime and coaching South Carolina. Other than the Spurrier years, I can’t remember South Carolina being nationally relevant. There is some difference between overall ACC versus SEC football, but a team would have to be nationally relevant to take advantage of the opportunity. Clemson, FSU (in the early 10s) and VT (in the late 00s) have been able to exploit what the ACC provides.

For those who are imagining trades (as if they could actually happen) I would suggest a South Carolina for Louisville swap. It bolsters SEC hoops, with a huge national rivalry between the Cards and Kentucky. It really doesn't hurt ACC football much, and it frees up Clemson to have an annual OOC rivalry game with Auburn, which doesn't currently have an ACC rival like Georgia and Florida do.

I’m sure Louisville would take it but why in the world South Carolina ever agreed to such a thing? It’d be a step down in prestige and they’d take a drastic pay cut plus their chances of getting a better bowl with a 7-5 or 8-4 record would diminish in the ACC. Trading division opponents Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and Kentucky for anything the ACC would offer would be a non starter. They play Vanderbilt in the SEC. The ACC has plenty of Vanderbilt type of programs. The only upside is their chances of having a better record and winning the conference are better in the ACC but that’s about it.

location, location, location

With the current ACC/SEC contracts, no SEC team would want to leave for the ACC. For an ACC team to agree to move to the SEC, ESPN would have to make it financially feasible. So the question is under what conditions would ESPN want specific ACC teams in the SEC? Clemson to the SEC is obvious because they'd be joining SEC football and playing the biggest guns as opposed to playing mostly basketball schools in the ACC. By contrast, Kentucky to the ACC is also obvious for the same reason. On the other hand, do you want SEC football to have all the strong teams and ACC football to have no one good and the reverse in men's basketball?

I also feel like the in state rivalries should be in the same conference. If they are, the SEC and ACC can go to nine game conference schedules. But what conferences should each schools be in? ESPN gains by having two Kentucky/Louisville men's basketball conference games a season as opposed to one non conference game a season. UK-UL could be as big as UNC-Duke if both are in the same conference.

The fallacy in your thinking is that "Clemson to the SEC is the obvious choice".

(11-01-2020 05:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  “No”

Completely understand your perspective

There is no benefit in expanding with those schools.

(11-01-2020 05:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  “No”

Completely understand your perspective

If Notre Dame joins as #15, they add value to the overall conference...the #16 can then be used to balance the scheduling.

Either WVU or Cincinnati would work as a #16, but only if the #15 is a big fish. Together, adding WVU and Cincinnati would really hurt the ACC conference...as well as hurting the opportunities of individual schools.

Finally, Cavaliers don’t want to be separated from their traditional rivals.

(11-01-2020 08:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 05:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  “No”

Completely understand your perspective

If Notre Dame joins as #15, they add value to the overall conference...the #16 can then be used to balance the scheduling.

Either WVU or Cincinnati would work as a #16, but only if the #15 is a big fish. Together, adding WVU and Cincinnati would really hurt the ACC conference...as well as hurting the opportunities of individual schools.

Finally, Cavaliers don’t want to be separated from their traditional rivals.

Cincinnati and WVU have better football programs and potential than the majority of the ACC schools. Adding them would be a benefit to the strength of the conference but neither school would be able to increase the annual payouts which is what drives realignment unfortunately.

(11-01-2020 01:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 01:37 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-31-2020 02:24 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(10-31-2020 01:58 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(10-31-2020 01:27 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Absolutely. As long as you’re still in a power conference, give me national relevance/high rankings over tv dollars anyday.

Money is huge. However, I bet champions get a lot more donations from alumni.

This would all make sense if Steve Spurrier was still in his prime and coaching South Carolina. Other than the Spurrier years, I can’t remember South Carolina being nationally relevant. There is some difference between overall ACC versus SEC football, but a team would have to be nationally relevant to take advantage of the opportunity. Clemson, FSU (in the early 10s) and VT (in the late 00s) have been able to exploit what the ACC provides.

For those who are imagining trades (as if they could actually happen) I would suggest a South Carolina for Louisville swap. It bolsters SEC hoops, with a huge national rivalry between the Cards and Kentucky. It really doesn't hurt ACC football much, and it frees up Clemson to have an annual OOC rivalry game with Auburn, which doesn't currently have an ACC rival like Georgia and Florida do.

I’m sure Louisville would take it but why in the world South Carolina ever agreed to such a thing? It’d be a step down in prestige and they’d take a drastic pay cut plus their chances of getting a better bowl with a 7-5 or 8-4 record would diminish in the ACC. Trading division opponents Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and Kentucky for anything the ACC would offer would be a non starter. They play Vanderbilt in the SEC. The ACC has plenty of Vanderbilt type of programs. The only upside is their chances of having a better record and winning the conference are better in the ACC but that’s about it.

If you read my post carefully, you will note the (as if it could actually happen) part. But maybe if ESPN wanted it to happen, they could find a way financially to make it work. What ESPN doesn't want, IMO, is two have two conferences that are only attractive in a single sport. Those who see the idea of swapping, say, Clemson and Kentucky, as a good idea aren't considering that would make the ACC little more attractive than the Big East.

Having two properties that have the synergy of attractive interconference rivalry games in both major sports is a good thing - better than having one that is just good at football and the other that is just good in hoops. Taking Clemson out of the ACC now just means one less national championship contender in your football inventory.

(11-01-2020 08:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 05:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  “No”

Completely understand your perspective

If Notre Dame joins as #15, they add value to the overall conference...the #16 can then be used to balance the scheduling.

Either WVU or Cincinnati would work as a #16, but only if the #15 is a big fish. Together, adding WVU and Cincinnati would really hurt the ACC conference...as well as hurting the opportunities of individual schools.

Finally, Cavaliers don’t want to be separated from their traditional rivals.

You may have a point from a cable network package perspective, but you are wrong in terms of brand value and eyeball interest. College Football is a regional sport and regional rivalries are the lifeblood of the sport. I don’t care about NCState-Michigan, but I will tune in for the Backyard Brawl or Keg of Nails. Both teams fit the ACC footprint as it currently exists and don’t create overlapped or overdiluted markets. If the ACC wants a culturally and geographically cohesive conference, these two work well as 15 and 16. Just let Notre Dame be Notre Dame.

Although, FTR, I think conferences work best at 10 or 12 and the move towards 16 teams is flawed.

(11-01-2020 10:33 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 08:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 05:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  “No”

Completely understand your perspective

If Notre Dame joins as #15, they add value to the overall conference...the #16 can then be used to balance the scheduling.

Either WVU or Cincinnati would work as a #16, but only if the #15 is a big fish. Together, adding WVU and Cincinnati would really hurt the ACC conference...as well as hurting the opportunities of individual schools.

Finally, Cavaliers don’t want to be separated from their traditional rivals.

You may have a point from a cable network package perspective, but you are wrong in terms of brand value and eyeball interest. College Football is a regional sport and regional rivalries are the lifeblood of the sport. I don’t care about NCState-Michigan, but I will tune in for the Backyard Brawl or Keg of Nails. Both teams fit the ACC footprint as it currently exists and don’t create overlapped or overdiluted markets. If the ACC wants a culturally and geographically cohesive conference, these two work well as 15 and 16. Just let Notre Dame be Notre Dame.

Although, FTR, I think conferences work best at 10 or 12 and the move towards 16 teams is flawed.

The ACC made too much investment in courting ND that it doesn’t make sense to give up on ND at this point. The five game arrangement, which I do like, will continue forever until ND gives in (and I know it might be forever).

(11-01-2020 10:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 01:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 01:37 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-31-2020 02:24 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(10-31-2020 01:58 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Money is huge. However, I bet champions get a lot more donations from alumni.

This would all make sense if Steve Spurrier was still in his prime and coaching South Carolina. Other than the Spurrier years, I can’t remember South Carolina being nationally relevant. There is some difference between overall ACC versus SEC football, but a team would have to be nationally relevant to take advantage of the opportunity. Clemson, FSU (in the early 10s) and VT (in the late 00s) have been able to exploit what the ACC provides.

For those who are imagining trades (as if they could actually happen) I would suggest a South Carolina for Louisville swap. It bolsters SEC hoops, with a huge national rivalry between the Cards and Kentucky. It really doesn't hurt ACC football much, and it frees up Clemson to have an annual OOC rivalry game with Auburn, which doesn't currently have an ACC rival like Georgia and Florida do.

I’m sure Louisville would take it but why in the world South Carolina ever agreed to such a thing? It’d be a step down in prestige and they’d take a drastic pay cut plus their chances of getting a better bowl with a 7-5 or 8-4 record would diminish in the ACC. Trading division opponents Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and Kentucky for anything the ACC would offer would be a non starter. They play Vanderbilt in the SEC. The ACC has plenty of Vanderbilt type of programs. The only upside is their chances of having a better record and winning the conference are better in the ACC but that’s about it.

If you read my post carefully, you will note the (as if it could actually happen) part. But maybe if ESPN wanted it to happen, they could find a way financially to make it work. What ESPN doesn't want, IMO, is two have two conferences that are only attractive in a single sport. Those who see the idea of swapping, say, Clemson and Kentucky, as a good idea aren't considering that would make the ACC little more attractive than the Big East.

Having two properties that have the synergy of attractive interconference rivalry games in both major sports is a good thing - better than having one that is just good at football and the other that is just good in hoops. Taking Clemson out of the ACC now just means one less national championship contender in your football inventory.

The objective for ESPN (now more than ever) is to take what they have (a shrinking cable customer base) and make it more profitable.
What would the mentioned South Carolina/Louisville provide for each conference?
Other than the obvious (more regional/better fan interaction) that swap provides each conference with a new villain. A team the entire conference can hate.
South Carolina for abandoning the ACC in the past, and Louisville, the upstart, cut corners to get there challenger versus the established Kentucky. Plus the SEC needs to provide another division rival for Tennessee that they might have an opportunity to compete with as they continue to re-establish relevance.
It is no coincidence that both Louisville and South Carolina are often clad in black.
This is absolutely a move that ESPN would invest in, because it is one in which they could get a large monetary return.

(11-01-2020 10:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 01:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 01:37 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-31-2020 02:24 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(10-31-2020 01:58 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Money is huge. However, I bet champions get a lot more donations from alumni.

This would all make sense if Steve Spurrier was still in his prime and coaching South Carolina. Other than the Spurrier years, I can’t remember South Carolina being nationally relevant. There is some difference between overall ACC versus SEC football, but a team would have to be nationally relevant to take advantage of the opportunity. Clemson, FSU (in the early 10s) and VT (in the late 00s) have been able to exploit what the ACC provides.

For those who are imagining trades (as if they could actually happen) I would suggest a South Carolina for Louisville swap. It bolsters SEC hoops, with a huge national rivalry between the Cards and Kentucky. It really doesn't hurt ACC football much, and it frees up Clemson to have an annual OOC rivalry game with Auburn, which doesn't currently have an ACC rival like Georgia and Florida do.

I’m sure Louisville would take it but why in the world South Carolina ever agreed to such a thing? It’d be a step down in prestige and they’d take a drastic pay cut plus their chances of getting a better bowl with a 7-5 or 8-4 record would diminish in the ACC. Trading division opponents Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and Kentucky for anything the ACC would offer would be a non starter. They play Vanderbilt in the SEC. The ACC has plenty of Vanderbilt type of programs. The only upside is their chances of having a better record and winning the conference are better in the ACC but that’s about it.

If you read my post carefully, you will note the (as if it could actually happen) part. But maybe if ESPN wanted it to happen, they could find a way financially to make it work. What ESPN doesn't want, IMO, is two have two conferences that are only attractive in a single sport. Those who see the idea of swapping, say, Clemson and Kentucky, as a good idea aren't considering that would make the ACC little more attractive than the Big East.

Having two properties that have the synergy of attractive interconference rivalry games in both major sports is a good thing - better than having one that is just good at football and the other that is just good in hoops. Taking Clemson out of the ACC now just means one less national championship contender in your football inventory.

The problem IMO is the ACC has one national championship contender in football... period (this year Notre Dame is all in because of COVID-19 but in general they won't be). So why would I want to see Clemson be dominant against a bunch of mediocre teams in the ACC when they can play Alabama, Georgia, Florida, and LSU instead? If you want to have both the SEC and ACC good in football then the better thing would be to take the good football teams in both conferences and split it more evenly. Maybe move Georgia and/or Florida to the ACC (they belong there academically anyway). Clemson would have good competition. Georgia and Georgia Tech and Florida and Florida State would be conference games. We'll move Louisville to the SEC (again they're an SEC school academically ... and geographically), Kentucky-Louisville are now conference games and SEC men's basketball just got better (although they would lose Florida). Clemson and South Carolina remain apart but South Carolina is too small to matter. Then the ACC needs to give the SEC one more team. I know I'm big on the in state teams being in the same conference but maybe NC State doesn't need to be in the same conferences as UNC and Duke as Carolina and Duke are the real rivalry.

ACC:
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke
Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Florida, Florida State, Miami

SEC:
South Carolina, NC State, Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn
Vanderbilt, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas A&M

(11-01-2020 09:03 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 08:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 05:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  “No”

Completely understand your perspective

If Notre Dame joins as #15, they add value to the overall conference...the #16 can then be used to balance the scheduling.

Either WVU or Cincinnati would work as a #16, but only if the #15 is a big fish. Together, adding WVU and Cincinnati would really hurt the ACC conference...as well as hurting the opportunities of individual schools.

Finally, Cavaliers don’t want to be separated from their traditional rivals.

Cincinnati and WVU have better football programs and potential than the majority of the ACC schools. Adding them would be a benefit to the strength of the conference but neither school would be able to increase the annual payouts which is what drives realignment unfortunately.

Cincinnati is having a great season against G5 competition and WVU has been consistent over the years. There is no way to know how well Cincinnati would do vs. a P5 schedule week in and week out unless they were added to a P5 conference or they went Independent and scheduled more P5 programs.

Regardless, there is no room at the inn. You’re better off making your case to the Big XII. I’m not sure why people are obsessed with ACC expansion when the Big XII is the most obvious candidate for expansion considering they only have 10 schools.

(11-01-2020 10:33 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 08:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 05:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  “No”

Completely understand your perspective

If Notre Dame joins as #15, they add value to the overall conference...the #16 can then be used to balance the scheduling.

Either WVU or Cincinnati would work as a #16, but only if the #15 is a big fish. Together, adding WVU and Cincinnati would really hurt the ACC conference...as well as hurting the opportunities of individual schools.

Finally, Cavaliers don’t want to be separated from their traditional rivals.

You may have a point from a cable network package perspective, but you are wrong in terms of brand value and eyeball interest. College Football is a regional sport and regional rivalries are the lifeblood of the sport. I don’t care about NCState-Michigan, but I will tune in for the Backyard Brawl or Keg of Nails. Both teams fit the ACC footprint as it currently exists and don’t create overlapped or overdiluted markets. If the ACC wants a culturally and geographically cohesive conference, these two work well as 15 and 16. Just let Notre Dame be Notre Dame.

Although, FTR, I think conferences work best at 10 or 12 and the move towards 16 teams is flawed.

Louisville has their main rival on their schedule these days, so you can always tune in and watch Louisville-UK during a normal season. I am not convinced that the Keg of Nails (or their series vs. Memphis) means that much to the Cardinals because they haven’t made any effort to schedule those games. I venture to say that games vs. UK and Notre Dame mean much more. They’ve also made a point to schedule some games in Florida and have a regional series vs. IU coming up.

WVU has quite a few rivals on their future schedules including Maryland, Penn St., Pitt, and Virginia Tech.

Yes, 16 is flawed. So is 14, for that matter.

(11-02-2020 07:16 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 09:03 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 08:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 05:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  “No”

Completely understand your perspective

If Notre Dame joins as #15, they add value to the overall conference...the #16 can then be used to balance the scheduling.

Either WVU or Cincinnati would work as a #16, but only if the #15 is a big fish. Together, adding WVU and Cincinnati would really hurt the ACC conference...as well as hurting the opportunities of individual schools.

Finally, Cavaliers don’t want to be separated from their traditional rivals.

Cincinnati and WVU have better football programs and potential than the majority of the ACC schools. Adding them would be a benefit to the strength of the conference but neither school would be able to increase the annual payouts which is what drives realignment unfortunately.

Cincinnati is having a great season against G5 competition and WVU has been consistent over the years. There is no way to know how well Cincinnati would do vs. a P5 schedule week in and week out unless they were added to a P5 conference or they went Independent and scheduled more P5 programs.

Regardless, there is no room at the inn. You’re better off making your case to the Big XII. I’m not sure why people are obsessed with ACC expansion when the Big XII is the most obvious candidate for expansion considering they only have 10 schools.

How’s UNC doing this year, I haven’t checked.

(11-02-2020 08:18 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:16 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 09:03 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 08:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 05:41 PM)army56mike Wrote:  “No”

Completely understand your perspective

If Notre Dame joins as #15, they add value to the overall conference...the #16 can then be used to balance the scheduling.

Either WVU or Cincinnati would work as a #16, but only if the #15 is a big fish. Together, adding WVU and Cincinnati would really hurt the ACC conference...as well as hurting the opportunities of individual schools.

Finally, Cavaliers don’t want to be separated from their traditional rivals.

Cincinnati and WVU have better football programs and potential than the majority of the ACC schools. Adding them would be a benefit to the strength of the conference but neither school would be able to increase the annual payouts which is what drives realignment unfortunately.

Cincinnati is having a great season against G5 competition and WVU has been consistent over the years. There is no way to know how well Cincinnati would do vs. a P5 schedule week in and week out unless they were added to a P5 conference or they went Independent and scheduled more P5 programs.

Regardless, there is no room at the inn. You’re better off making your case to the Big XII. I’m not sure why people are obsessed with ACC expansion when the Big XII is the most obvious candidate for expansion considering they only have 10 schools.

How’s UNC doing this year, I haven’t checked.

Just outside the top 25, playing P5 opponents week in and week out, including all the main rivalries. Exciting season for a young team so far!

(11-02-2020 10:23 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 08:18 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:16 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 09:03 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 08:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  If Notre Dame joins as #15, they add value to the overall conference...the #16 can then be used to balance the scheduling.

Either WVU or Cincinnati would work as a #16, but only if the #15 is a big fish. Together, adding WVU and Cincinnati would really hurt the ACC conference...as well as hurting the opportunities of individual schools.

Finally, Cavaliers don’t want to be separated from their traditional rivals.

Cincinnati and WVU have better football programs and potential than the majority of the ACC schools. Adding them would be a benefit to the strength of the conference but neither school would be able to increase the annual payouts which is what drives realignment unfortunately.

Cincinnati is having a great season against G5 competition and WVU has been consistent over the years. There is no way to know how well Cincinnati would do vs. a P5 schedule week in and week out unless they were added to a P5 conference or they went Independent and scheduled more P5 programs.

Regardless, there is no room at the inn. You’re better off making your case to the Big XII. I’m not sure why people are obsessed with ACC expansion when the Big XII is the most obvious candidate for expansion considering they only have 10 schools.

How’s UNC doing this year, I haven’t checked.

Just outside the top 25, playing P5 opponents week in and week out, including all the main rivalries. Exciting season for a young team so far!

Congrats on your win over Syracuse. The next two weeks against Duke and Wake are going to be a meat-grinder.

...........................Annual
Atlantic...........Coastal X-over

Clemson.............South Carolina
Florida State.......Miami
Georgia Tech.......Duke
Pitt....................Virginia Tech
Boston College....Virginia
Syracuse............NC State
Wake Forest........North Carolina

Swapping Louisville for South Carolina allows ACC to go a 9 game league schedule to increase media pay while allowing Clemson to add someone like Auburn as an annual OOC rival. One fixed crossover, and rotate the others every three years. As the only Tobacco Road team in the Atlantic, Wake gets to pick its annual x-over opponent.

(11-02-2020 10:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 10:23 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 08:18 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:16 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 09:03 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Cincinnati and WVU have better football programs and potential than the majority of the ACC schools. Adding them would be a benefit to the strength of the conference but neither school would be able to increase the annual payouts which is what drives realignment unfortunately.

Cincinnati is having a great season against G5 competition and WVU has been consistent over the years. There is no way to know how well Cincinnati would do vs. a P5 schedule week in and week out unless they were added to a P5 conference or they went Independent and scheduled more P5 programs.

Regardless, there is no room at the inn. You’re better off making your case to the Big XII. I’m not sure why people are obsessed with ACC expansion when the Big XII is the most obvious candidate for expansion considering they only have 10 schools.

How’s UNC doing this year, I haven’t checked.

Just outside the top 25, playing P5 opponents week in and week out, including all the main rivalries. Exciting season for a young team so far!

Congrats on your win over Syracuse. The next two weeks against Duke and Wake are going to be a meat-grinder.

Thanks, Syracuse can be tough from time to time.

As far as Duke and Wake go, you are spot-on! Those two always bring their A-game vs. the Heels!

(11-02-2020 11:05 AM)ken d Wrote:  ...........................Annual
Atlantic...........Coastal X-over

Clemson.............South Carolina
Florida State.......Miami
Georgia Tech.......Duke
Pitt....................Virginia Tech
Boston College....Virginia
Syracuse............NC State
Wake Forest........North Carolina

Swapping Louisville for South Carolina allows ACC to go a 9 game league schedule to increase media pay while allowing Clemson to add someone like Auburn as an annual OOC rival. One fixed crossover, and rotate the others every three years. As the only Tobacco Road team in the Atlantic, Wake gets to pick its annual x-over opponent.

Setting aside the implausibility of SC leaving the SEC for the ACC, and that of the SEC accepting Louisville....

That ACC lineup would likely not fly. I don't think Clemson and FSU want to play that many games in the northeast, and the one southern team that does want to (Miami) has no northeast teams in their division. You'd probably just see SC replace Louisville in the Atlantic with no changes to protected crossovers (meaning SC gets UVA). Also, FSU and GT at the very least will still be opposed to a 9-game conference schedule -- potentially others as well.

(11-02-2020 01:13 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 11:05 AM)ken d Wrote:  ...........................Annual
Atlantic...........Coastal X-over

Clemson.............South Carolina
Florida State.......Miami
Georgia Tech.......Duke
Pitt....................Virginia Tech
Boston College....Virginia
Syracuse............NC State
Wake Forest........North Carolina

Swapping Louisville for South Carolina allows ACC to go a 9 game league schedule to increase media pay while allowing Clemson to add someone like Auburn as an annual OOC rival. One fixed crossover, and rotate the others every three years. As the only Tobacco Road team in the Atlantic, Wake gets to pick its annual x-over opponent.

Setting aside the implausibility of SC leaving the SEC for the ACC, and that of the SEC accepting Louisville....

That ACC lineup would likely not fly. I don't think Clemson and FSU want to play that many games in the northeast, and the one southern team that does want to (Miami) has no northeast teams in their division. You'd probably just see SC replace Louisville in the Atlantic with no changes to protected crossovers (meaning SC gets UVA). Also, FSU and GT at the very least will still be opposed to a 9-game conference schedule -- potentially others as well.

Right—if you’re going to zipper an ACC with that membership, both divisions get:

1 VA school
2 NC schools
1 SC school
1 FL school

One division gets 2 Northeastern schools; the other gets a Northeastern school and GT.

BC, Cuse, VT, NC St, WF, Clemson, FSU
Pitt, GT, UVA, UNC, Duke, SC, Miami

(11-02-2020 11:05 AM)ken d Wrote:  ...........................Annual
Atlantic...........Coastal X-over

Clemson.............South Carolina
Florida State.......Miami
Georgia Tech.......Duke
Pitt....................Virginia Tech
Boston College....Virginia
Syracuse............NC State
Wake Forest........North Carolina

Swapping Louisville for South Carolina allows ACC to go a 9 game league schedule to increase media pay while allowing Clemson to add someone like Auburn as an annual OOC rival. One fixed crossover, and rotate the others every three years. As the only Tobacco Road team in the Atlantic, Wake gets to pick its annual x-over opponent.

UVa-Pitt
VT -South Carolina
Duke-Wake Forest
Carolina-NC State
Georgia Tech-Clemson
Miami-Florida State
Syracuse-Boston College