(09-22-2020 11:37 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 10:34 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 06:29 PM)Hammersmith Wrote:  The player in the screen cap is Larry Ryans, a senior WR on the 1992 Clemson team. The game is the Sept 12 meeting between Clemson and Florida St(FSU won 24-20). If you have ESPN+, you still might be able to see the replay.

https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/3656578


edit: C00G beat me to most of it.

The problem with this is that the Cleveland Browns did not play the Bengals in Week 2 that year as the scroll suggests. They didn't meet until November. For that matter, I can't find any year going back to 1975 in which the Browns beat the Bengals 35-30 in Week 2. So it's entirely possible this whole image is doctored. Why, I have no idea.

Browns 35, Bengals 30 in Week 2 just happened this past Thursday. Was this historic game aired recently, with the bottom scroll being new and the box score being old?

Pretty sure that's it. ESPNU has been showing a lot of older games. So modern scroll below old-school broadcast.

(09-22-2020 01:01 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 11:37 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 10:34 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 06:29 PM)Hammersmith Wrote:  The player in the screen cap is Larry Ryans, a senior WR on the 1992 Clemson team. The game is the Sept 12 meeting between Clemson and Florida St(FSU won 24-20). If you have ESPN+, you still might be able to see the replay.

https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/3656578


edit: C00G beat me to most of it.

The problem with this is that the Cleveland Browns did not play the Bengals in Week 2 that year as the scroll suggests. They didn't meet until November. For that matter, I can't find any year going back to 1975 in which the Browns beat the Bengals 35-30 in Week 2. So it's entirely possible this whole image is doctored. Why, I have no idea.

Browns 35, Bengals 30 in Week 2 just happened this past Thursday. Was this historic game aired recently, with the bottom scroll being new and the box score being old?

It had to have been re-aired around last Friday. Not only was Browns-Bengals the Thursday night game, but Saints-Raiders was the Monday night game, and the ad for it shows up in the ticker.

Presumably, that makes this a screenshot of the Clemson-Citadel game on Saturday, photoshopped with an old Austin Peay score from almost 30 years ago. But by whom, and why?

Per ESPN's schedule, ESPNU broadcast the Clemson-FSU game from 1992 twice on Sept. 18, 1 a.m. and 1 p.m. EDT. So an ESPNU ticker below the original broadcast with a 1992 scorebug for Austin Peay-Knoxville, a game that took place the same day. The resolution does seem really nice for a 28-year-old game, but maybe they have really good upscaling software?

(09-21-2020 08:48 PM)Todor Wrote:  They are one those failing colleges that doesn’t quite die when they close. Morris Brown, Barber-Scotia, Selma University and Shorter Jr College (Arkansas, not Georgia) are some others.

What happens is, they still have a small administrative staff and an active board and sometimes go without any real college students for a number of years before trying to reboot again later. Typically the schools close after losing accreditation, therefor access to federal financial aid. But they aren’t bankrupt, probably don’t have much if any debt, usually have a somewhat active and dedicated alumni group and are able to at least keep a small staff to fund raise and maintain the campus as best they can. It’s fun to watch them develop over the years.

One school in Missouri, (where Marco Rubio played football for a year, incidentally) called Tarkio College closed and went bankrupt in 1991. Because a non profit alumni type group owned most of the campus, it could not be sold off in the bankruptcy.

They leased it to a youth home for boys for about a decade or so and made at least 4-5 serious attempts either reopen it themselves or sell the campus to a group who wanted to open it. So this alumni group with a campus in a town of 1,500 in rural Missouri actually pulled it off and reopened the college as a technical college, at least at first that is offering trade programs in areas that are needed locally.

The fact that the alumni of that closed college actually managed to reopen (albeit in a new format) 30 years after it closed is just an amazing show of loyalty and dedication to the original Tarkio College. Whether it succeeds long term is yet to be seen, but what an inspiring story. And many of these other colleges have fiercely loyal alums who also just refuse to let their college go down like so many others have.

Good post. My alma mater Miami for example closed a few years after the Civil War for over a decade, but some admin and alumni stuck around trying to make things work. After the curriculum was adjusted (from a dated classics approach to more of a focus on technical skills and teacher education) and the economic situation in Ohio improved there was demand for us and we built up the cash to come back long enough until we got state funding.

With Tarkio it looks like they weren't able to survive as a small four-year religious college in rural Missouri, but times change and in 2020 reopening as a technical school in the area makes sense. Imo a lot of struggling institutions could benefit from a similar shift in fundamental purpose and organization, whether public (cough Chicago State cough) or private (Tarkio).

Thanks. I think a lot of smaller, less rich liberal arts colleges around the country have largely shifted to more practical majors—you’ll find business, education, criminal justice, and computer science that are definitely not part of the liberal arts. But there may need to be more shifts to incorporate more hands on majors, including those at the associate degree level in order to remain relevant and to provide for community needs. And that is most important in areas without a lot of colleges to choose from. We’ve seen what happens to schools that either don’t change, or don’t change quickly enough. Academics can be resistant to change, like any industry can be, but good leadership will recognize the needs and opportunities out there.

I hope Knoxville can find a niche. I know Morris Brown keeps fighting on and seems to slowly be making good headway. A few years ago they negotiated their way out of some old, uncollectable debt that was holding them back. That has been kind of a springboard to move forward.

(09-21-2020 08:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 06:40 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 11:17 AM)whittx Wrote:  So all 11 students are playing football?

Whoa. So this is what Knoxville looks like today. It went from playing D1 football teams in the 90s to 11 students in 2015 before closing down. (This was the first time I’d seen a team in the score scroller I’d never heard of.)



https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/loca...593204002/

Quote: Knoxville College, a historically black college founded in 1875, lost its national accreditation in 1997 and state accreditation in 2015, when 11 students were enrolled.

The closed its campus in February 2017, after the two remaining buildings in use were deemed unsafe. The Alumni Library had cracks in exterior load-bearing walls and the McMillan Chapel had a leaking roof that led to damaged walls and floors. Additionally, the electrical and plumbing systems in McMillan Chapel were not up to code.

Apparently they're back: https://knoxvillecollege.edu/

No sports though.

Meanwhile, if you can't get enough 1992 Knoxville College football, here's 6+ minutes of a game against Kentucky State. The Thorobreds!

But they did play D1 teams at one time. It’s just part of the grand plan for FBS. Knoxville could be in the SBC!

(09-22-2020 09:12 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 08:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 06:40 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 11:17 AM)whittx Wrote:  So all 11 students are playing football?

Whoa. So this is what Knoxville looks like today. It went from playing D1 football teams in the 90s to 11 students in 2015 before closing down. (This was the first time I’d seen a team in the score scroller I’d never heard of.)



https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/loca...593204002/

Quote: Knoxville College, a historically black college founded in 1875, lost its national accreditation in 1997 and state accreditation in 2015, when 11 students were enrolled.

The closed its campus in February 2017, after the two remaining buildings in use were deemed unsafe. The Alumni Library had cracks in exterior load-bearing walls and the McMillan Chapel had a leaking roof that led to damaged walls and floors. Additionally, the electrical and plumbing systems in McMillan Chapel were not up to code.

Apparently they're back: https://knoxvillecollege.edu/

No sports though.

Meanwhile, if you can't get enough 1992 Knoxville College football, here's 6+ minutes of a game against Kentucky State. The Thorobreds!

But they did play D1 teams at one time. It’s just part of the grand plan for FBS. Knoxville could be in the SBC!

Ok DavidRsu lol. Just jokes.

I also found some Knoxville College basketball on YouTube. For a small college, their gym is somewhat decent. And by decent, I mean usable. Lots of struggling colleges use athletics to boost enrollment, so that facility (assuming its still in good shape) is at least an asset in their favor.

Website for the new Tarkio Tech College

https://tarkiocollege.com

They have a program in the wind energy field, as that area of the state has a lot of big wind farms. Good strategy to have a local niche in addition to some basics. They have just completed their first year and have plans for additional programs as well as associate degree level degrees. From their statements on their website, they appear to have a solid, cautious, and conservative strategy in place. Too many places try to quickly get back to where they were before in size and scope and get themselves in new trouble in the process.