(09-20-2020 02:22 PM)PAAcocahesAssociation Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 11:04 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  I've always thought Littrell was over-rated. It's one thing to have some tough games or maybe even a tough season. Stuff happens. But the days of giving up 65 points to a cross-town peer opponent like SMU should be far in UNT's review mirror. The UNT program should be further along than that. Especially with as much money as ya'll throw at it. UNT deserves better.

Peer? You obviously haven't been paying much attention to what Dykes is doing at SMU. There was a time just 3 seasons ago where the statement would be somewhat accurate, but he has done a bang up job in a short time building them up pretty well. Do you also consider TCU to be a "peer" as well?

Do you believe TCU is a peer?

TCU has had multiple BCS appearance, Multiple big P5 wins, Top 10 rankings, Plays in the Big 12, hosts Texas and OU.

SMU has none of that in the modern era.
SMU couldn’t even sell out there section at Frisco bowl across town. You know the bowl where Tech was beating SMU 42-7 in first half.

Trust me UNT as more of peer to SMU than SMU is to TCU

Have to say, that’s a lot of money to pay a coach for mediocre results

(09-20-2020 02:22 PM)PAAcocahesAssociation Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 11:04 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  I've always thought Littrell was over-rated. It's one thing to have some tough games or maybe even a tough season. Stuff happens. But the days of giving up 65 points to a cross-town peer opponent like SMU should be far in UNT's review mirror. The UNT program should be further along than that. Especially with as much money as ya'll throw at it. UNT deserves better.

Peer? You obviously haven't been paying much attention to what Dykes is doing at SMU. There was a time just 3 seasons ago where the statement would be somewhat accurate, but he has done a bang up job in a short time building them up pretty well. Do you also consider TCU to be a "peer" as well?

Don't lecture me about Sonny Dykes. I know Sonny & Kate Dykes personally from their days at LA Tech. Sonny's running the same "system" now that he ran at Tech from 2010-2012. The difference is, with the passage of time, many schools now know how to defend that style of offense. Unfortunately, UNT is NOT one of them. Yes, UNT is SMU's peer, but the Mean Green has bigger problems right now, namely a coach who is not getting it done.

Why the question about TCU? LA Tech played TCU in the Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego back in 2011. Tech led 24-17 going into the 4th qtr, but TCU ultimately won 31-24. Obviously we were peers then. But since that time, TCU has moved up to the Big XII, and has benefitted as expected. As as result, I'd say we are no longer the peers we were.

Finally, if you're an SMU fan, what does this have to do with you? LA Tech would probably beat SMU tomorrow just like we did in the Frisco Bowl in 2017. Sonny knows that too. LOL! He knows LA Tech has much better talent than what you faced at UNT yesterday. (That doesn't mean we could never lose to UNT. SMU did just a couple of years ago.) LA Tech has a Home/Home series coming up with SMU pretty soon, but I suspect Sonny will be gone by then, which means SMU will probably suck again. LOL!

no one is getting fired anytime soon they can't afford it

when you are spending $15.5 million of students money NOT including the athletics fee and you have everything with covid going on now there is simply no more money to pay what $3 million to send him out the door and then $1.5 million per year to bring in someone else at least.....because you rarely if ever hear of a place paying their new coach significantly less then their old coach.....yes it happens, but often with long term coaches being replaced that were making a ton or when a school makes a total reset and takes a chance on a flyer.....which north Texas state should probably do next time, but probably won't do

Littrell was also the hand picked coach of the current university president that decided to meddle around in athletics after he realized that academics were just going to mosey along like always and he was not the one to make major changes there

he knows most people really do not remember how much he was involved in the choice and his ego will not allow him to fire his choice, but he knows the heat for that choice is not really on him it can be deflected to RV or to WB extending him for more money

plus if things get too far out of control cost wise some students there might wake up to the fact that $15.5 million is being tossed at athletics IN ADDITION TO the $12.6 million in student fees and only the student fee was ever voted on and most students would believe that is the only university money going to athletics they would not know about the $15.5 million additional dollars or how rapidly that extra money has grown even after the first main student fee for the stajium was implemented

(09-20-2020 01:57 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 12:35 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  No correlation in G5 between commuter school revenue and success.

Look at UNT and ODU in CUSA. At least UNT has football...

Barely. We do field a team. There's that.

But not a baseball one.

Just kidding MG Nation

(09-20-2020 01:07 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  He must regret not having taken the K St job. Good example of why I don’t blame a coach that jumps at the first P5 offer.

I don't think that was his decision to make...

(09-20-2020 11:39 AM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 08:16 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  It is time to realize that Littrell will not lead North Texas where we want to go. He is getting paid $1.865 million a season. But after five years, Littrell is now 28-26 and 0-3 in bowl games. Littrell needs to go back to being an OC. Jay Hopson had almost an identical record at Southern Miss and was gone after week 1 of this season. Littrell has to go, and others in the Mean Green fan base agree. I hope this doesn't get ugly like when we fired McCarney and AD Villarreal. Fire Littrell.

The likelihood of Littrell getting fired in season is next to none. The SMU loss was disgraceful, but it was only one game in the season.

So unless you want to anti up a few million to buyout his contract, you are just venting.

I guess you also would like Baker gone, after all he is the one who is responsible for Littrell's contract.

You are probably right. Littrell will probably keep his job. But, the loss at SMU is not just one game. It is a perfect example of how far Littrell is from being able to lead our program.

I'm not just venting. I'm done supporting Littrell.

(09-20-2020 02:22 PM)PAAcocahesAssociation Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 11:04 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  I've always thought Littrell was over-rated. It's one thing to have some tough games or maybe even a tough season. Stuff happens. But the days of giving up 65 points to a cross-town peer opponent like SMU should be far in UNT's review mirror. The UNT program should be further along than that. Especially with as much money as ya'll throw at it. UNT deserves better.

Peer? You obviously haven't been paying much attention to what Dykes is doing at SMU. There was a time just 3 seasons ago where the statement would be somewhat accurate, but he has done a bang up job in a short time building them up pretty well. Do you also consider TCU to be a "peer" as well?

52-28 definitely a peer.

(09-20-2020 11:34 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 11:10 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Maybe, with all that money, you could hire Bloomgren away from Rice.

I don't know....Bloomgren has a hell of a gig. I'm sure he gets paid his full salary, and he doesn't even have to coach.

Bloomgren isn’t even required to have practices yet.

Hey don't compare your dumpster fire to our dumpster fire.

We had a cheap old busted dumpster.

You had a new shiny dumpster.

Apples and Apple Rings

Good luck Mean Greens in whatever happens.

As compared to rotten decomposing apples at MT. Sorry, we win the whose in worse situation here.

You guys can do a lot better considering how much money you are paying him. $1.8 million is a LOT of money for a G5 coach.

(09-22-2020 05:57 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  You guys can do a lot better considering how much money you are paying him. $1.8 million is a LOT of money for a G5 coach.

......especially one that can't win....

Man, I really feel for you guys. Seriously.

It is amazing how QUICKLY things change in FBS football, not just for UNT but all of us. But using UNT as an example, before last season their fanbase was very high on Littrell and his huge contract, now barely into this season they want his contract terminated.
Things can change FAST in the FBS football world.

I have a hard time with empathy when I can remember the OP bragging about being able to step up and pay the coach that much to keep him.

Here’s the thing - if you can’t pay $3-4 million it’s stupid to pay $1.8MM. What are you doing but buying an extra year or two if he’s successful and who exactly are you bidding against? No G5 should pay more than about a million.

(09-22-2020 09:17 PM)banker Wrote:  I have a hard time with empathy when I can remember the OP bragging about being able to step up and pay the coach that much to keep him.

Here’s the thing - if you can’t pay $3-4 million it’s stupid to pay $1.8MM. What are you doing but buying an extra year or two if he’s successful and who exactly are you bidding against? No G5 should pay more than about a million.

It's 2020. COVID has forced ever program to carefully manage their finances. Moves that would be manageable in previous years are more difficult this year. Littrell still has supporters. I have no idea why, but he does. But, we will work through this process.

(09-22-2020 07:58 PM)DogsWin1 Wrote:  It is amazing how QUICKLY things change in FBS football, not just for UNT but all of us. But using UNT as an example, before last season their fanbase was very high on Littrell and his huge contract, now barely into this season they want his contract terminated.
Things can change FAST in the FBS football world.

Big checks should demand big results. We are not getting the results.

(09-22-2020 07:58 PM)DogsWin1 Wrote:  It is amazing how QUICKLY things change in FBS football, not just for UNT but all of us. But using UNT as an example, before last season their fanbase was very high on Littrell and his huge contract, now barely into this season they want his contract terminated.
Things can change FAST in the FBS football world.

Nature of the beast that is all. Things don't stay stale longer at this level unless you have an AD who plays hard ball or is more patient with the results since money is at stake whether you keep them or let them go in most cases. Things change at much quicker pace and thus all the echo from rah rah's of different teams in the FBS chamber.

(09-22-2020 09:17 PM)banker Wrote:  I have a hard time with empathy when I can remember the OP bragging about being able to step up and pay the coach that much to keep him.

Here’s the thing - if you can’t pay $3-4 million it’s stupid to pay $1.8MM. What are you doing but buying an extra year or two if he’s successful and who exactly are you bidding against? No G5 should pay more than about a million.

Been saying the same thing for years...

not one of our schools can afford to pay a coach what the lowest team in a P5 can. If they want that coach bad enough. It's just stupid to bid up a contract when there is no reason to do so.

The only time a school is going to have the upper hand in a head coach's contract is that first one. Most non head coaches want to move up into that captains chair just as bad as the school wants them. Offer a competitive that fits in the middle, of the conference.

Then if they win the first couple years...make him in the top 3. If he wins a championship in those 2 seasons. Make him the highest paid coach in the conference. Which would have been around 900k 2 years into Littrell's contract.

UNT was basically bidding against their self. Another thing I've always said about a coach....

never go over the point that you cant afford to fire that coach. Especially early into his contract when he really hasnt won anything. After back to back championships you might think about it. But in a good business sense you have to know your limits and the limits of what it takes to keep that coach.

As I said when UNT gave him this contract...1.8 million is not going to keep him at UNT if some other schools wants him and willing to pay. ULL made the same mistake and they had to live with it for 2 or 3 years past the time they should have fired the coach.

Know your limits and who you are bidding against. UNT basically was trying to protect losing a coach to 2 or 3 schools in the AAC. No way in hell were they going to compete with the lowest P5 schools. I dont believe UNT could compete with South Florida or Houston when it comes to the amount they could afford.

Before last season I said UNT better hope Littrell was gone after the season. If not UNT is stuck with a coach that cant win big games and paying him money they cant afford to eat.

Know your limits