Man, the Noles just can't seem to catch a break...



USFFan

Can they not just put him in a hazmat suit?

Wait a minute, if we are going by contact tracing, the entire team should be sidelined for 2 weeks. I mean everyone came in contact with him at some point.

(09-19-2020 01:20 PM)otown Wrote:  Wait a minute, if we are going by contact tracing, the entire team should be sidelined for 2 weeks. I mean everyone came in contact with him at some point.

Not just the whole team, but the Athletics Departments and anybody else connected. If FSU did care instead of going after the money? Everybody would be put into quarrantined.

(09-19-2020 05:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 01:20 PM)otown Wrote:  Wait a minute, if we are going by contact tracing, the entire team should be sidelined for 2 weeks. I mean everyone came in contact with him at some point.

Not just the whole team, but the Athletics Departments and anybody else connected. If FSU did care instead of going after the money? Everybody would be put into quarrantined.

David St, you are an idiot. Do you not understand levels of contact? That would be true if he wasn’t wearing a mask, but wearing a mask and being outdoors is considered low risk. No need for quarantine.

Not that I have a horse in this race, but why couldn't he coach from a box?

USFFan

(09-21-2020 10:36 AM)usffan Wrote:  

Not that I have a horse in this race, but why couldn't he coach from a box?

USFFan

You cannot have a person infected with COVID 19 traveling. If anybody has COVID 19, my recommendations that I give everyone is to be quarantined. You must quarantine for 10 days post symptoms began and positive test. You can come out after 10 days from symptoms/positive test providing you have been 3 days symptoms free without the needs for tylenol/NSAID.
There is no need to retest after that time period. Obviously the conferences are being more stringent, but realistically, this is all that needs to be done.

(09-19-2020 06:32 PM)3BNole Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 05:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 01:20 PM)otown Wrote:  Wait a minute, if we are going by contact tracing, the entire team should be sidelined for 2 weeks. I mean everyone came in contact with him at some point.

Not just the whole team, but the Athletics Departments and anybody else connected. If FSU did care instead of going after the money? Everybody would be put into quarrantined.

David St, you are an idiot. Do you not understand levels of contact? That would be true if he wasn’t wearing a mask, but wearing a mask and being outdoors is considered low risk. No need for quarantine.

My observation, based on watching games on TV, is that coaches (even those who wear masks some of the time) are often in close contact with players while not properly wearing their mask. I can't recall whether Norvell, specifically, did so during the Georgia Tech game, and of course I can't speak to whether he did so during practices.

(09-21-2020 11:32 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 06:32 PM)3BNole Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 05:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 01:20 PM)otown Wrote:  Wait a minute, if we are going by contact tracing, the entire team should be sidelined for 2 weeks. I mean everyone came in contact with him at some point.

Not just the whole team, but the Athletics Departments and anybody else connected. If FSU did care instead of going after the money? Everybody would be put into quarrantined.

David St, you are an idiot. Do you not understand levels of contact? That would be true if he wasn’t wearing a mask, but wearing a mask and being outdoors is considered low risk. No need for quarantine.

My observation, based on watching games on TV, is that coaches (even those who wear masks some of the time) are often in close contact with players while not properly wearing their mask. I can't recall whether Norvell, specifically, did so during the Georgia Tech game, and of course I can't speak to whether he did so during practices.

The standard in our organization is 15 minutes of continuous close contact within 6 feet without appropriate protective gear. I doubt any head coach would meet that criteria with any specific player, especially considering they are outside.

(09-21-2020 04:43 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 11:32 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 06:32 PM)3BNole Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 05:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 01:20 PM)otown Wrote:  Wait a minute, if we are going by contact tracing, the entire team should be sidelined for 2 weeks. I mean everyone came in contact with him at some point.

Not just the whole team, but the Athletics Departments and anybody else connected. If FSU did care instead of going after the money? Everybody would be put into quarrantined.

David St, you are an idiot. Do you not understand levels of contact? That would be true if he wasn’t wearing a mask, but wearing a mask and being outdoors is considered low risk. No need for quarantine.

My observation, based on watching games on TV, is that coaches (even those who wear masks some of the time) are often in close contact with players while not properly wearing their mask. I can't recall whether Norvell, specifically, did so during the Georgia Tech game, and of course I can't speak to whether he did so during practices.

The standard in our organization is 15 minutes of continuous close contact within 6 feet without appropriate protective gear. I doubt any head coach would meet that criteria with any specific player, especially considering they are outside.

This is 100% correct. That’s what some people don’t understand, there are different levels of exposure. It’s the whole reason why I can continue to see patients despite treated hundreds of individuals with Covid. We’re seeing all of our sick patients outside and testing them in their cars while wearing protective gowns, n95, gloves, and a face shield. Even without all that a relatively brief exposure outdoors or in a very large room is not considered significant. Contrary to popular belief, most viruses, including Covid, require an exposure to a certain number of viral particles (viral load often in the millions or more) to become infected.

(09-22-2020 05:59 AM)3BNole Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 04:43 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 11:32 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 06:32 PM)3BNole Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 05:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Not just the whole team, but the Athletics Departments and anybody else connected. If FSU did care instead of going after the money? Everybody would be put into quarrantined.

David St, you are an idiot. Do you not understand levels of contact? That would be true if he wasn’t wearing a mask, but wearing a mask and being outdoors is considered low risk. No need for quarantine.

My observation, based on watching games on TV, is that coaches (even those who wear masks some of the time) are often in close contact with players while not properly wearing their mask. I can't recall whether Norvell, specifically, did so during the Georgia Tech game, and of course I can't speak to whether he did so during practices.

The standard in our organization is 15 minutes of continuous close contact within 6 feet without appropriate protective gear. I doubt any head coach would meet that criteria with any specific player, especially considering they are outside.

This is 100% correct. That’s what some people don’t understand, there are different levels of exposure. It’s the whole reason why I can continue to see patients despite treated hundreds of individuals with Covid. We’re seeing all of our sick patients outside and testing them in their cars while wearing protective gowns, n95, gloves, and a face shield. Even without all that a relatively brief exposure outdoors or in a very large room is not considered significant. Contrary to popular belief, most viruses, including Covid, require an exposure to a certain number of viral particles (viral load often in the millions or more) to become infected.

And yet Mike Norvell was infected. Whatever the "true" level of exposure for infection to be possible is, he apparently reached it. And if he got it from someone while either outdoors or indoors with his team and his coaches, then they presumably had the same level of exposure that he did.

It is, of course, possible that he contracted the virus from someone not associated with the team at all. But from my experience, during football season coaches spend the vast majority of their time involved in football activities.

(09-22-2020 07:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 05:59 AM)3BNole Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 04:43 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 11:32 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-19-2020 06:32 PM)3BNole Wrote:  David St, you are an idiot. Do you not understand levels of contact? That would be true if he wasn’t wearing a mask, but wearing a mask and being outdoors is considered low risk. No need for quarantine.

My observation, based on watching games on TV, is that coaches (even those who wear masks some of the time) are often in close contact with players while not properly wearing their mask. I can't recall whether Norvell, specifically, did so during the Georgia Tech game, and of course I can't speak to whether he did so during practices.

The standard in our organization is 15 minutes of continuous close contact within 6 feet without appropriate protective gear. I doubt any head coach would meet that criteria with any specific player, especially considering they are outside.

This is 100% correct. That’s what some people don’t understand, there are different levels of exposure. It’s the whole reason why I can continue to see patients despite treated hundreds of individuals with Covid. We’re seeing all of our sick patients outside and testing them in their cars while wearing protective gowns, n95, gloves, and a face shield. Even without all that a relatively brief exposure outdoors or in a very large room is not considered significant. Contrary to popular belief, most viruses, including Covid, require an exposure to a certain number of viral particles (viral load often in the millions or more) to become infected.

And yet Mike Norvell was infected. Whatever the "true" level of exposure for infection to be possible is, he apparently reached it. And if he got it from someone while either outdoors or indoors with his team and his coaches, then they presumably had the same level of exposure that he did.

It is, of course, possible that he contracted the virus from someone not associated with the team at all. But from my experience, during football season coaches spend the vast majority of their time involved in football activities.

Well except for that non-trivial amount of time they spend at home with their families, etc.

(09-22-2020 09:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 07:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 05:59 AM)3BNole Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 04:43 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 11:32 AM)ken d Wrote:  My observation, based on watching games on TV, is that coaches (even those who wear masks some of the time) are often in close contact with players while not properly wearing their mask. I can't recall whether Norvell, specifically, did so during the Georgia Tech game, and of course I can't speak to whether he did so during practices.

The standard in our organization is 15 minutes of continuous close contact within 6 feet without appropriate protective gear. I doubt any head coach would meet that criteria with any specific player, especially considering they are outside.

This is 100% correct. That’s what some people don’t understand, there are different levels of exposure. It’s the whole reason why I can continue to see patients despite treated hundreds of individuals with Covid. We’re seeing all of our sick patients outside and testing them in their cars while wearing protective gowns, n95, gloves, and a face shield. Even without all that a relatively brief exposure outdoors or in a very large room is not considered significant. Contrary to popular belief, most viruses, including Covid, require an exposure to a certain number of viral particles (viral load often in the millions or more) to become infected.

And yet Mike Norvell was infected. Whatever the "true" level of exposure for infection to be possible is, he apparently reached it. And if he got it from someone while either outdoors or indoors with his team and his coaches, then they presumably had the same level of exposure that he did.

It is, of course, possible that he contracted the virus from someone not associated with the team at all. But from my experience, during football season coaches spend the vast majority of their time involved in football activities.

Well except for that non-trivial amount of time they spend at home with their families, etc.

I would have thought that if he caught it from someone in his immediate family that might have been reported. This is an unusual year, though. In the past, if a coach was home more than 6-7 hours a day just to sleep, that would be a lot at this time of year.

(09-22-2020 09:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 09:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 07:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 05:59 AM)3BNole Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 04:43 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  The standard in our organization is 15 minutes of continuous close contact within 6 feet without appropriate protective gear. I doubt any head coach would meet that criteria with any specific player, especially considering they are outside.

This is 100% correct. That’s what some people don’t understand, there are different levels of exposure. It’s the whole reason why I can continue to see patients despite treated hundreds of individuals with Covid. We’re seeing all of our sick patients outside and testing them in their cars while wearing protective gowns, n95, gloves, and a face shield. Even without all that a relatively brief exposure outdoors or in a very large room is not considered significant. Contrary to popular belief, most viruses, including Covid, require an exposure to a certain number of viral particles (viral load often in the millions or more) to become infected.

And yet Mike Norvell was infected. Whatever the "true" level of exposure for infection to be possible is, he apparently reached it. And if he got it from someone while either outdoors or indoors with his team and his coaches, then they presumably had the same level of exposure that he did.

It is, of course, possible that he contracted the virus from someone not associated with the team at all. But from my experience, during football season coaches spend the vast majority of their time involved in football activities.

Well except for that non-trivial amount of time they spend at home with their families, etc.

I would have thought that if he caught it from someone in his immediate family that might have been reported. This is an unusual year, though. In the past, if a coach was home more than 6-7 hours a day just to sleep, that would be a lot at this time of year.

The thing is, even with contact tracing, we never know for sure who got what from whom. It's a guessing game and one that tends to work when done at a mass-level. But for any individual case there's just no telling. Norvell could have gotten from a family member who is non-symptomatic and hasn't been tested or a hundred other ways. Which is why headlines like "Joe Schmo got covid five days after attending indoor Trump rally" are ridiculous.

(09-22-2020 09:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 09:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 09:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 07:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 05:59 AM)3BNole Wrote:  This is 100% correct. That’s what some people don’t understand, there are different levels of exposure. It’s the whole reason why I can continue to see patients despite treated hundreds of individuals with Covid. We’re seeing all of our sick patients outside and testing them in their cars while wearing protective gowns, n95, gloves, and a face shield. Even without all that a relatively brief exposure outdoors or in a very large room is not considered significant. Contrary to popular belief, most viruses, including Covid, require an exposure to a certain number of viral particles (viral load often in the millions or more) to become infected.

And yet Mike Norvell was infected. Whatever the "true" level of exposure for infection to be possible is, he apparently reached it. And if he got it from someone while either outdoors or indoors with his team and his coaches, then they presumably had the same level of exposure that he did.

It is, of course, possible that he contracted the virus from someone not associated with the team at all. But from my experience, during football season coaches spend the vast majority of their time involved in football activities.

Well except for that non-trivial amount of time they spend at home with their families, etc.

I would have thought that if he caught it from someone in his immediate family that might have been reported. This is an unusual year, though. In the past, if a coach was home more than 6-7 hours a day just to sleep, that would be a lot at this time of year.

The thing is, even with contact tracing, we never know for sure who got what from whom. It's a guessing game and one that tends to work when done at a mass-level. But for any individual case there's just no telling. Norvell could have gotten from a family member who is non-symptomatic and hasn't been tested or a hundred other ways. Which is why headlines like "Joe Schmo got covid five days after attending indoor Trump rally" are ridiculous.

But "100 people got covid after attending a Lady Gaga concert" is meaningful, and not likely just coincidence. And, if the same results occur at multiple similar events, it's not unreasonable to conclude that those events are dangerous.

It's hard to evaluate whether there is significant spread from attending football games, because we don't have a good way to track what happens to the individual attendees after they go home. And if there are a lot of students attending, and violating whatever social distancing rules are supposed to be in effect (which seems to be the case at most of the games I've watched), who could tell if they caught it at the game or at the clandestine off campus frat party after the game?

Yeah, it’s hard to tell, especially now that it’s so ubiquitous. Early on it was quite easy. I actually had the first case in north Florida and in that situation it was incredibly easy to figure out as that individual had just returned from a town that made national news as an early hot spot where they had been taking care of a sick relative... who tested positive as well. I’ve also had other cases where a family member had it and now the spouse or whoever is sick or someone got back from traveling and a few days later is sick. In all of those instances it’s pretty easy/obvious to tell what happened, but then there are other instances where the patient has basically been on ultra lockdown since the outbreak and somehow they got it, so sometimes you just don’t know.