Top 20

Alabama ........... 56
Ohio State ......... 50
LSU .................... 41
Florida ............... 39
Michigan ........... 33
Georgia .............. 32
Penn State ......... 32
Miami ................. 30
Notre Dame ........ 29
Clemson ............. 29
Oklahoma ........... 29
FSU ...................... 28
Washington ......... 28
Iowa ..................... 28
Stanford .............. 27
Texas AM ............. 27
Auburn .................. 25
Texas .................... 25
UCLA ..................... 25
Wisconsin .............. 25

(09-18-2020 07:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Top 20

Alabama ........... 56
Ohio State ......... 50
LSU .................... 41
Florida ............... 39
Michigan ........... 33
Georgia .............. 32
Penn State ......... 32
Miami ................. 30
Notre Dame ........ 29
Clemson ............. 29
Oklahoma ........... 29
FSU ...................... 28
Washington ......... 28
Iowa ..................... 28
Stanford .............. 27
Texas AM ............. 27
Auburn .................. 25
Texas .................... 25
UCLA ..................... 25
Wisconsin .............. 25

Wow. One of those things is not like the other!

Here are the records for the outlier/clear underperformer!

2019 - 4-8
2018 - 3-9
2017 - 6-7
2016 - 4-8
2015 - 8-5
2014 - 10-3
2013 - 10-3
2012 - 9-5
2011 - 6-8
2010 - 4-8

Over the last decade = 64-64. Meanwhile, two teams (off the top of my head) who've made the CFP aren't on this list. Talk about underachieving!

USFFan

UCLA on, USC off.

That same list by FBS Conference:
SEC 348
Big Ten 264
ACC 208
Pac-12 195
Big 12 133
American 94
C-USA 75
Mountain West 70
Independent 51
MAC 39
Sun Belt 24

(09-18-2020 07:46 PM)usffan Wrote:  Wow. One of those things is not like the other!

Here are the records for the outlier/clear underperformer!

2019 - 4-8
2018 - 3-9
2017 - 6-7
2016 - 4-8
2015 - 8-5
2014 - 10-3
2013 - 10-3
2012 - 9-5
2011 - 6-8
2010 - 4-8

Over the last decade = 64-64. Meanwhile, two teams (off the top of my head) who've made the CFP aren't on this list. Talk about underachieving!

USFFan

Yeah, UCLA has some explaining to do, LOL. Then again, they've always kind of underperformed relative to their talent. They are #15 all-time in number of players in the NFL, and in the top 10 all-time in number of games played in the NFL but have only one shared national title (1954 UPI) to show for it. All the other schools in the top 15 on that list have multiple national titles. UCLA also has six NFL hall of famers, in the top 10 on that list as well.

Also, it's pretty shocking for USC to be off the list. They're always on it. IIRC, they are #2 all-time in both number of NFL players and number of games played by NFL players.

(09-18-2020 09:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That same list by FBS Conference:
SEC 348
Big Ten 264
ACC 208
Pac-12 195
Big 12 133
American 94
C-USA 75
Mountain West 70
Independent 51
MAC 39
Sun Belt 24

I'm kind of surprised to see the Sun Belt this low. I would also be curious to know how many of the 51 from the indies are former Notre Dame players.

(09-20-2020 09:58 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That same list by FBS Conference:
SEC 348
Big Ten 264
ACC 208
Pac-12 195
Big 12 133
American 94
C-USA 75
Mountain West 70
Independent 51
MAC 39
Sun Belt 24

I'm kind of surprised to see the Sun Belt this low. I would also be curious to know how many of the 51 from the indies are former Notre Dame players.

You also have to wonder about the accounting. E.g, if a player graduated from Memphis in 2010 and is still in the NFL today, is he counted for C-USA or for the AAC? To me, he should be credited to C-USA, as that was the conference he played in while at Memphis. But I don't know how they do it.

(09-20-2020 10:04 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 09:58 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That same list by FBS Conference:
SEC 348
Big Ten 264
ACC 208
Pac-12 195
Big 12 133
American 94
C-USA 75
Mountain West 70
Independent 51
MAC 39
Sun Belt 24

I'm kind of surprised to see the Sun Belt this low. I would also be curious to know how many of the 51 from the indies are former Notre Dame players.

You also have to wonder about the accounting. E.g, if a player graduated from Memphis in 2010 and is still in the NFL today, is he counted for C-USA or for the AAC? To me, he should be credited to C-USA, as that was the conference he played in while at Memphis. But I don't know how they do it.

That's a really good point. I've bristled in the past when I'd read about conferences "legends" things. For example, here's last year's list of ACC Football Legends:

https://theacc.com/news/2019/10/22/acc-a...class.aspx

I have such great memories of Bernie Kosar's biggest ACC games

USFFan

(09-20-2020 09:58 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That same list by FBS Conference:
SEC 348
Big Ten 264
ACC 208
Pac-12 195
Big 12 133
American 94
C-USA 75
Mountain West 70
Independent 51
MAC 39
Sun Belt 24

I'm kind of surprised to see the Sun Belt this low. I would also be curious to know how many of the 51 from the indies are former Notre Dame players.

Outside of Notre Dame with the independents, I expect the Sun Belt will be ahead of the MAC and Independents and possibly CUSA 5-10 years from now. Perhaps even the MWC.

In my opinion, the Sun Belt becomes the #7 conference. I think they eventually get to 14 by losing ULM and raiding CUSA of Florida Atlantic, North Texas, Marshall, UAB, and Southern Miss. I think Texas St gets quite a bit stronger.

(09-20-2020 10:04 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 09:58 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That same list by FBS Conference:
SEC 348
Big Ten 264
ACC 208
Pac-12 195
Big 12 133
American 94
C-USA 75
Mountain West 70
Independent 51
MAC 39
Sun Belt 24

I'm kind of surprised to see the Sun Belt this low. I would also be curious to know how many of the 51 from the indies are former Notre Dame players.

You also have to wonder about the accounting. E.g, if a player graduated from Memphis in 2010 and is still in the NFL today, is he counted for C-USA or for the AAC? To me, he should be credited to C-USA, as that was the conference he played in while at Memphis. But I don't know how they do it.

A very good point. I don't how this is calculated. I tend to agree with you regarding how a player "is credited" related to league.

(09-20-2020 10:10 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 09:58 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That same list by FBS Conference:
SEC 348
Big Ten 264
ACC 208
Pac-12 195
Big 12 133
American 94
C-USA 75
Mountain West 70
Independent 51
MAC 39
Sun Belt 24

I'm kind of surprised to see the Sun Belt this low. I would also be curious to know how many of the 51 from the indies are former Notre Dame players.

Outside of Notre Dame with the independents, I expect the Sun Belt will be ahead of the MAC and Independents and possibly CUSA 5-10 years from now. Perhaps even the MWC.

In my opinion, the Sun Belt becomes the #7 conference. I think they eventually get to 14 by losing ULM and raiding CUSA of Florida Atlantic, North Texas, Marshall, UAB, and Southern Miss. I think Texas St gets quite a bit stronger.

The Sun Belt's football future is bright, no question.

(09-20-2020 09:58 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That same list by FBS Conference:
SEC 348
Big Ten 264
ACC 208
Pac-12 195
Big 12 133
American 94
C-USA 75
Mountain West 70
Independent 51
MAC 39
Sun Belt 24

I'm kind of surprised to see the Sun Belt this low. I would also be curious to know how many of the 51 from the indies are former Notre Dame players.

If only we could subtract 29 from 51 and find out...

(09-20-2020 10:10 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 10:04 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 09:58 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That same list by FBS Conference:
SEC 348
Big Ten 264
ACC 208
Pac-12 195
Big 12 133
American 94
C-USA 75
Mountain West 70
Independent 51
MAC 39
Sun Belt 24

I'm kind of surprised to see the Sun Belt this low. I would also be curious to know how many of the 51 from the indies are former Notre Dame players.

You also have to wonder about the accounting. E.g, if a player graduated from Memphis in 2010 and is still in the NFL today, is he counted for C-USA or for the AAC? To me, he should be credited to C-USA, as that was the conference he played in while at Memphis. But I don't know how they do it.

That's a really good point. I've bristled in the past when I'd read about conferences "legends" things. For example, here's last year's list of ACC Football Legends:

https://theacc.com/news/2019/10/22/acc-a...class.aspx

I have such great memories of Bernie Kosar's biggest ACC games

USFFan

Yes, that is ridonculous.

Here's what I care about on this list: comparing Cincinnati to our local peer group:

West Virginia - 15
Pittsburgh - 14
Cincinnati - 12
Kentucky - 12
Illinois - 10
Purdue - 10
Louisville - 9
Indiana - 9

(09-20-2020 09:16 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 09:58 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That same list by FBS Conference:
SEC 348
Big Ten 264
ACC 208
Pac-12 195
Big 12 133
American 94
C-USA 75
Mountain West 70
Independent 51
MAC 39
Sun Belt 24

I'm kind of surprised to see the Sun Belt this low. I would also be curious to know how many of the 51 from the indies are former Notre Dame players.

If only we could subtract 29 from 51 and find out...

The 51 Independents:
Notre Dame 29
Connecticut 8
BYU 7
Massachusetts 4
Army 1
Liberty 1
New Mexico State 1

(09-20-2020 10:10 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 09:58 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-18-2020 09:47 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That same list by FBS Conference:
SEC 348
Big Ten 264
ACC 208
Pac-12 195
Big 12 133
American 94
C-USA 75
Mountain West 70
Independent 51
MAC 39
Sun Belt 24

I'm kind of surprised to see the Sun Belt this low. I would also be curious to know how many of the 51 from the indies are former Notre Dame players.

Outside of Notre Dame with the independents, I expect the Sun Belt will be ahead of the MAC and Independents and possibly CUSA 5-10 years from now. Perhaps even the MWC.

In my opinion, the Sun Belt becomes the #7 conference. I think they eventually get to 14 by losing ULM and raiding CUSA of Florida Atlantic, North Texas, Marshall, UAB, and Southern Miss. I think Texas St gets quite a bit stronger.

The Sunbelt doesn't want those teams, except for maybe Southern Miss and Marshall. UAB doesn't really fit in and FAU & UNT wanted in C-USA. Seeing how they are now, the 'Belt doesn't want them back.

(09-23-2020 08:24 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  The Sunbelt doesn't want those teams, except for maybe Southern Miss and Marshall. UAB doesn't really fit in and FAU & UNT wanted in C-USA. Seeing how they are now, the 'Belt doesn't want them back.

None of those schools want to leave C-USA anyway so it's a moot point.

FWIW, here is the all-time top 25:

Notre Dame ...... 591
USC ................. 526
Ohio State ........ 494
Michigan ........... 410
Penn State ........ 404
LSU .................. 385
Alabama ............ 383
Nebraska ........... 380
Oklahoma and Miami .......... 378
Florida ...............362
Tennessee .......... 355
Georgia .............. 352
UCLA ................. 344
Wisconsin ........... 343
Texas ................ 340
Pitt .................... 334
Michigan State .... 331
Texas AM ........... 324
FSU .................. 316

So a pretty blue-bloody list there.

Below the P5 level you can't necessarily judge a program by the number of pro players they have. Rice might have more players on NFL rosters than anyone outside the P5 and AAC, and they've been mostly bad.

Some G5 programs run crappy pro-style offensive schemes and get more than their fair share of future NFL players, and some coaches will recruit guys based on the eyeball test which will produce NFL players but not good rosters.

In the Sun Belt I'd argue (more so than CUSA and MAC) there's the formula of recruiting undersized guys with speed which isn't a good formula to send guys to the NFL but builds good teams (and I'd argue that's the formula Boise used in the 00s).

(09-24-2020 10:12 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Below the P5 level you can't necessarily judge a program by the number of pro players they have. Rice might have more players on NFL rosters than anyone outside the P5 and AAC, and they've been mostly bad.

Well, here are the top ten G5 teams:

Temple ...... 20
UCF .......... 13
Houston .... 13
Wyoming ... 13
Boise ......... 12
Cincy ......... 12
Memphis .... 11
USM .......... 11
SMU .......... 10
FAU ........... 9

Surely, there isn't a perfect correlation. E.g., Temple is way out in front (last year they had 12, so quite an explosion upwards) and while they have been successful in recent years, they haven't dominated. And Wyoming and USM have not been very good either.

But the others are mostly a whose-who of the best G5 teams in recent years, so I would say that even among the G5 there is a pretty strong positive correlation between having NFL talent and performing well on the field.