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OT: Violence in Bancroft Hills
The Toledo neighborhood directly east of the UT campus has seen a spike in serious crime over the past couple days.

-Friday evening: Start HS basketball player was shot and killed on Calverton Rd.

-Sunday morning: 20-year-old man was stabbed to death on Wyndhurst Rd, just a few blocks away from Friday's shooting.

-Tuesday night: A woman was shot outside the same house on Wyndhurst Rd in what appears to be a retaliatory response to Sunday's stabbing.

Not trying to start a political discussion with this thread; would just genuinely like to know if the safety in this neighborhood has deteriorated to the point where it is no longer safe for UT students to reside.

I lived here for 2 years as a UT student 10 years ago and developed many fond memories.
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RE: OT: Violence in Bancroft Hills
I know of a handful of students that have had issues with their houses getting broken into. Typically, the break-ins occur over fall, Thanksgiving, and winter breaks when students are home. If I were a current student, I would either live on campus or one of the nice new apartment complexes that have gone up around campus.
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(09-16-2020 12:08 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  I know of a handful of students that have had issues with their houses getting broken into. Typically, the break-ins occur over fall, Thanksgiving, and winter breaks when students are home. If I were a current student, I would either live on campus or one of the nice new apartment complexes that have gone up around campus.

Those are pretty expensive options for many students, its why renting house east or south of main campus where 4-6 can live and share expenses. Terrible to see the increased crime, likely drug deal related, certainly not random
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Every single person I know, including myself, has been robbed at least once while living in that neighborhood (granted I had an overall great experience living behind engineering, besides two bad encounters). It's just getting worse. The University needs to buy out that entire neighborhood sandwiched between campus and St. Francis de Sales High School. Make it a student-only neighborhood (doesn't just have to be UT students). Currently, we have UT students who come from all over the world living amongst the filth of Toledo (drug dealers, gangbangers, prostitutes, and the like).

What I really want to see is the continued development of the Dorr St. & Secor area. Campus Polleyes and the new campus police headquarters are great additions. I'd like to see UT 100% own that area stretching down from The Edge apartments to Chasers. Get rid of all the crap that attracts bad company especially that Plasma donation center. There's a great open plot of land right across Rocket Hall that's ideal for more student housing or a campus hotel.
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(09-16-2020 02:01 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Every single person I know, including myself, has been robbed at least once while living in that neighborhood (granted I had an overall great experience living behind engineering, besides two bad encounters). It's just getting worse. The University needs to buy out that entire neighborhood sandwiched between campus and St. Francis de Sales High School. Make it a student-only neighborhood (doesn't just have to be UT students). Currently, we have UT students who come from all over the world living amongst the filth of Toledo (drug dealers, gangbangers, prostitutes, and the like).

What I really want to see is the continued development of the Dorr St. & Secor area. Campus Polleyes and the new campus police headquarters are great additions. I'd like to see UT 100% own that area stretching down from The Edge apartments to Chasers. Get rid of all the crap that attracts bad company especially that Plasma donation center. There's a great open plot of land right across Rocket Hall that's ideal for more student housing or a campus hotel.

All great ideas, but UT enrollment is decline, as is state support, and they simply don't have the $100million to take these steps. I know Student Services provides information on a variety of housing options, many beyond those crime infested areas. They are not as close to campus but are much safer.
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(09-16-2020 02:01 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Every single person I know, including myself, has been robbed at least once while living in that neighborhood (granted I had an overall great experience living behind engineering, besides two bad encounters). It's just getting worse. The University needs to buy out that entire neighborhood sandwiched between campus and St. Francis de Sales High School. Make it a student-only neighborhood (doesn't just have to be UT students). Currently, we have UT students who come from all over the world living amongst the filth of Toledo (drug dealers, gangbangers, prostitutes, and the like).

i spent a lot of childhood days in that neighborhood. my family couldn't afford to live there-we were still off upton-but friends who "moved up" got houses in those blocks and in the 80s the neighborhood was a center of pickup sports of all kinds, before the city tore down the basketball hoops and football stopped being a game kids played on their own. some of Toledo's most celebrated football stars of the past couple generations came from that neighborhood.

not sure how "buy out that entire neighborhood" works. what happens to the people who live there? who own homes? perhaps, there's a way for the university to invest in the neighborhood. for example, bancroft hills once had an elementary school and I think the DOE still owns the building. making that into a university lab school with high quality education for kids from the neighborhood as well as UT students with kids could be a way to improve the neighborhood without displacing the residents.

and there's drug dealers, prostitutes and the like in every neighborhood. statistically these activities exist across the board regardless of neighborhood, you just see it more in poorer neighborhoods because it's more on the street. of course, with a bad recession coming off decades of stagnant wage growth there's gonna be some spikes in crime and desperation. safety is a real thing. i think most of us who have lived in somewhat rougher or working class parts of toledo have stories of being robbed or seeing guns pulled. i don't discount the trauma that can cause people, but the reality is it mostly affects the long term residents of those areas, especially boys and young men. it can spill over onto college kids and such but they are less likely to be targeted.
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(09-17-2020 03:08 AM)pono Wrote:  
(09-16-2020 02:01 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Every single person I know, including myself, has been robbed at least once while living in that neighborhood (granted I had an overall great experience living behind engineering, besides two bad encounters). It's just getting worse. The University needs to buy out that entire neighborhood sandwiched between campus and St. Francis de Sales High School. Make it a student-only neighborhood (doesn't just have to be UT students). Currently, we have UT students who come from all over the world living amongst the filth of Toledo (drug dealers, gangbangers, prostitutes, and the like).

i spent a lot of childhood days in that neighborhood. my family couldn't afford to live there-we were still off upton-but friends who "moved up" got houses in those blocks and in the 80s the neighborhood was a center of pickup sports of all kinds, before the city tore down the basketball hoops and football stopped being a game kids played on their own. some of Toledo's most celebrated football stars of the past couple generations came from that neighborhood.

not sure how "buy out that entire neighborhood" works. what happens to the people who live there? who own homes? perhaps, there's a way for the university to invest in the neighborhood. for example, bancroft hills once had an elementary school and I think the DOE still owns the building. making that into a university lab school with high quality education for kids from the neighborhood as well as UT students with kids could be a way to improve the neighborhood without displacing the residents.

and there's drug dealers, prostitutes and the like in every neighborhood. statistically these activities exist across the board regardless of neighborhood, you just see it more in poorer neighborhoods because it's more on the street. of course, with a bad recession coming off decades of stagnant wage growth there's gonna be some spikes in crime and desperation. safety is a real thing. i think most of us who have lived in somewhat rougher or working class parts of toledo have stories of being robbed or seeing guns pulled. i don't discount the trauma that can cause people, but the reality is it mostly affects the long term residents of those areas, especially boys and young men. it can spill over onto college kids and such but they are less likely to be targeted.

I'd imagine it would take a developer and a lot of money to buy out a neighborhood. But it starts with an idea and conversation. I agree the crime in this city is mostly target specific than it is ever a random act of crime. It's making me sick to my stomach to keep reading about all these crimes happening in our city, the majority of them involving teens. How can we make our city safer? What can we do to help these kids who apparently have no solid foundation in life, no values, no morales, and no regard for human life? I'd love to see the mayor take some action and be at the forefront of this critical issue.
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I really do not know what the solution is for crime in that neighborhood, just unsure that UT has a role to play in addressing it. Unfortunately such crime is a problem in many areas of Toledo, other cities in Ohio and across the country, without many successful stories to look at in terms of how to improve. I also question where hundreds of families were to live if an entire neighborhood of homes was redeveloped for high end housing and student residents.
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(09-17-2020 09:10 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  I really do not know what the solution is for crime in that neighborhood, just unsure that UT has a role to play in addressing it. Unfortunately such crime is a problem in many areas of Toledo, other cities in Ohio and across the country, without many successful stories to look at in terms of how to improve. I also question where hundreds of families were to live if an entire neighborhood of homes was redeveloped for high end housing and student residents.

University of Dayton has city blocks of student housing, across the street from Campus. So does Ohio State, so does UC.... the wannabe gang bangers will just move somewhere else in the City.
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(09-17-2020 10:42 AM)utpotts Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 09:10 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  I really do not know what the solution is for crime in that neighborhood, just unsure that UT has a role to play in addressing it. Unfortunately such crime is a problem in many areas of Toledo, other cities in Ohio and across the country, without many successful stories to look at in terms of how to improve. I also question where hundreds of families were to live if an entire neighborhood of homes was redeveloped for high end housing and student residents.

University of Dayton has city blocks of student housing, across the street from Campus. So does Ohio State, so does UC.... the wannabe gang bangers will just move somewhere else in the City.

I have no idea of the recent or current efforts or financial ability of the University of Dayton to make such an investment, have no doubt that with large budgets that OSU and UC can afford to do so, but can without doubt assure you UT does not have those funds.
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(09-17-2020 12:23 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 10:42 AM)utpotts Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 09:10 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  I really do not know what the solution is for crime in that neighborhood, just unsure that UT has a role to play in addressing it. Unfortunately such crime is a problem in many areas of Toledo, other cities in Ohio and across the country, without many successful stories to look at in terms of how to improve. I also question where hundreds of families were to live if an entire neighborhood of homes was redeveloped for high end housing and student residents.

University of Dayton has city blocks of student housing, across the street from Campus. So does Ohio State, so does UC.... the wannabe gang bangers will just move somewhere else in the City.

I have no idea of the recent or current efforts or financial ability of the University of Dayton to make such an investment, have no doubt that with large budgets that OSU and UC can afford to do so, but can without doubt assure you UT does not have those funds.

Cincinnati took advantage of a similar arrangement as UT did with Honors Academic Village to essentially widen their buffer zone through private development with guaranteed student tenants for a set amount of years until property is passed to the University in lieu of a balloon payment for the developer.
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(09-16-2020 10:06 AM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  The Toledo neighborhood directly east of the UT campus has seen a spike in serious crime over the past couple days.

-Friday evening: Start HS basketball player was shot and killed on Calverton Rd.

-Sunday morning: 20-year-old man was stabbed to death on Wyndhurst Rd, just a few blocks away from Friday's shooting.

-Tuesday night: A woman was shot outside the same house on Wyndhurst Rd in what appears to be a retaliatory response to Sunday's stabbing.

Not trying to start a political discussion with this thread; would just genuinely like to know if the safety in this neighborhood has deteriorated to the point where it is no longer safe for UT students to reside.

I lived here for 2 years as a UT student 10 years ago and developed many fond memories.

Actually you can walk the violence back even further. Several weeks ago there was another HS fb player killed, I don't think it was in the UT area, though. Then we had the UT fb player killed at the pizza shop in that area; both he and the killer had gone to Start HS. This is going on all over town, really.

A couple observations I can make is, first, this tends to rear its ugly head every time there is a bad recession. Second, I know a guy who lived on one of the side streets across from the north side of Ottawa Park. Several years back I had commented to him that I'd heard on the news that there was a lot of petty crime going on over there. He said, "Oh yeah. They come through every year." He made it sound like an organized group that works through the neighborhoods like a wave every year.

The thing about UT buying up property eastward is where do you stop?
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(09-17-2020 01:04 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 12:23 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 10:42 AM)utpotts Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 09:10 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  I really do not know what the solution is for crime in that neighborhood, just unsure that UT has a role to play in addressing it. Unfortunately such crime is a problem in many areas of Toledo, other cities in Ohio and across the country, without many successful stories to look at in terms of how to improve. I also question where hundreds of families were to live if an entire neighborhood of homes was redeveloped for high end housing and student residents.

University of Dayton has city blocks of student housing, across the street from Campus. So does Ohio State, so does UC.... the wannabe gang bangers will just move somewhere else in the City.

I have no idea of the recent or current efforts or financial ability of the University of Dayton to make such an investment, have no doubt that with large budgets that OSU and UC can afford to do so, but can without doubt assure you UT does not have those funds.

Cincinnati took advantage of a similar arrangement as UT did with Honors Academic Village to essentially widen their buffer zone through private development with guaranteed student tenants for a set amount of years until property is passed to the University in lieu of a balloon payment for the developer.

One building makes sense, but scaling up to entire neighborhoods and need to buy out current homes is much larger complex and $$$$$$$$$$$$ project
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(09-17-2020 04:06 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 01:04 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 12:23 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 10:42 AM)utpotts Wrote:  
(09-17-2020 09:10 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  I really do not know what the solution is for crime in that neighborhood, just unsure that UT has a role to play in addressing it. Unfortunately such crime is a problem in many areas of Toledo, other cities in Ohio and across the country, without many successful stories to look at in terms of how to improve. I also question where hundreds of families were to live if an entire neighborhood of homes was redeveloped for high end housing and student residents.

University of Dayton has city blocks of student housing, across the street from Campus. So does Ohio State, so does UC.... the wannabe gang bangers will just move somewhere else in the City.

I have no idea of the recent or current efforts or financial ability of the University of Dayton to make such an investment, have no doubt that with large budgets that OSU and UC can afford to do so, but can without doubt assure you UT does not have those funds.

Cincinnati took advantage of a similar arrangement as UT did with Honors Academic Village to essentially widen their buffer zone through private development with guaranteed student tenants for a set amount of years until property is passed to the University in lieu of a balloon payment for the developer.

One building makes sense, but scaling up to entire neighborhoods and need to buy out current homes is much larger complex and $$$$$$$$$$$$ project

Absolutely agree...that's not a game UT can afford to play.
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So glad to be living in the burgs of Dayton now since growing up in Toledo, graduated from Start when it was safe to do so. Toledo I heard is a mess. The same here in Dayton, stay out of the west end, although the downtown area appears to be safer.
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(09-25-2020 10:04 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  So glad to be living in the burgs of Dayton now since growing up in Toledo, graduated from Start when it was safe to do so. Toledo I heard is a mess. The same here in Dayton, stay out of the west end, although the downtown area appears to be safer.

Northside is a war zone and the East Side is somewhere you want to be out of by the times the streetlights come on (or at least the ones that work), but downtown Toledo is nice, West Toledo and Washington Township are still holding on, and the suburbs are solid. But then again, that could be the description of Toledo since about the late 1970s 03-lmfao. Truthfully, Start and Bowsher would still be solid schools to send your kids to if the redistricting/school closures wouldn't have occurred. All of the Libbey issues were brought down to Bowsher and killed South Toledo (outside of the River Rd./Harvard and Crossgates area), and Start being forced to add portions of Scott and Woodward's old territories when the schools were rebuilt and that dragged them down too. Shame as well, since the schools are incredible academic facilities...
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(09-25-2020 10:04 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  So glad to be living in the burgs of Dayton now since growing up in Toledo, graduated from Start when it was safe to do so. Toledo I heard is a mess. The same here in Dayton, stay out of the west end, although the downtown area appears to be safer.

Still plenty of great and safe areas and neighborhoods in Toledo. I doubt the challenges with crime in other portions of the city are that much different or worse than urban areas that can be found in Dayton, Cleveland, Akron, Kent, Canton, Columbus, Cincinnati - or cities in other states for that matter. Its the perceptions, political statements, and press attention that varies (just like the serious problems that exist in small areas of Portland, and not the entire downtown or city)
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