(09-13-2020 09:54 AM)usffan Wrote:  So are you trying to say you agree with the original thesis that "...it only affects the old and the weak" based on the fact that I used a plural for one portion of my attempt at refuting the approach and that the one player who died (and was clearly COVID positive and thus was undoubtedly "affected" by it even though he was neither old nor weak)? I didn't check my post for grammar, I apologize for using the plural. Didn't intentionally mean to "mislead." Doesn't dismiss how wrong the original statement was, and attempting to undermine the whole argument because of it is pretty freaking disingenuous.

USFFan

I never said it ONLY affected the old and the weak, so you're misreading that, as well. I said it disproportionately affected the old and weak. That's a fact, not a conspiracy, lol.

And the football player DID NOT DIE OF COVID. Read your own link.

And the flu IS WORSE on young people than is Covid.

So every single argument you made is wrong.

(09-13-2020 09:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 09:54 AM)usffan Wrote:  So are you trying to say you agree with the original thesis that "...it only affects the old and the weak" based on the fact that I used a plural for one portion of my attempt at refuting the approach and that the one player who died (and was clearly COVID positive and thus was undoubtedly "affected" by it even though he was neither old nor weak)? I didn't check my post for grammar, I apologize for using the plural. Didn't intentionally mean to "mislead." Doesn't dismiss how wrong the original statement was, and attempting to undermine the whole argument because of it is pretty freaking disingenuous.

USFFan

I never said it ONLY affected the old and the weak, so you're misreading that, as well. I said it disproportionately affected the old and weak. That's a fact, not a conspiracy, lol.

And the football player DID NOT DIE OF COVID. Read your own link.

And the flu IS WORSE on young people than is Covid.

So every single argument you made is wrong.

Take a breath, AAA. Go back and read. My post was in response to Bear Catlett, who specifically said "...it only affects the old and the weak." You then jumped in. And I posted two things, that a football player died of COVID (which you now refute, even though he died WITH COVID, though they've changed the official cause of death as inconclusive) and that >500,000 children in the US have the disease (which you have not refuted). No idea why you've decided to inject yourself in something I wrote in response to Bear Catlett, but regardless, the statement that "...every single argument you made is wrong" is also incorrect. The 500,000 children fact is completely backed up.

USFFan

(09-12-2020 08:11 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 05:35 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 03:47 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 03:31 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Kick out Memphis. Add Arkansas State.

that would make you happy

23-13, 5 in a row


Cincy could always join the belt, if they'd have you

Get a sense of humor. My lord.... It was clearly sarcastic.

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Xxoo

Hey I remember "The Jungle Book", XOXOXO from 'shere khan' might not be a wise thing to do.

Look at it this way, COVID-19 AFFECTS those whom do not care enough to follow national protocols, now days very few people should be infected, a bunch of 18 year old kids at a frat party does not represent the general population, and athletes have ZERO excuses for being infected.

In the beginning we didn't know better, now we have protocols in place that actually work and as a byproduct might actually lower the infarction rate of the flue as well.

(09-13-2020 10:01 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 09:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 09:54 AM)usffan Wrote:  So are you trying to say you agree with the original thesis that "...it only affects the old and the weak" based on the fact that I used a plural for one portion of my attempt at refuting the approach and that the one player who died (and was clearly COVID positive and thus was undoubtedly "affected" by it even though he was neither old nor weak)? I didn't check my post for grammar, I apologize for using the plural. Didn't intentionally mean to "mislead." Doesn't dismiss how wrong the original statement was, and attempting to undermine the whole argument because of it is pretty freaking disingenuous.

USFFan

I never said it ONLY affected the old and the weak, so you're misreading that, as well. I said it disproportionately affected the old and weak. That's a fact, not a conspiracy, lol.

And the football player DID NOT DIE OF COVID. Read your own link.

And the flu IS WORSE on young people than is Covid.

So every single argument you made is wrong.

Take a breath, AAA. Go back and read. My post was in response to Bear Catlett, who specifically said "...it only affects the old and the weak." You then jumped in. And I posted two things, that a football player died of COVID (which you now refute, even though he died WITH COVID, though they've changed the official cause of death as inconclusive) and that >500,000 children in the US have the disease (which you have not refuted). No idea why you've decided to inject yourself in something I wrote in response to Bear Catlett, but regardless, the statement that "...every single argument you made is wrong" is also incorrect. The 500,000 children fact is completely backed up.

USFFan

You got the 500,000 right, but what's your point? How many died? Almost none. How many infected others? The effects seem to be minimal with young folks spreading disease to others. Thus it's irrelevant, and much less deadly to young folks than the flu.

You were obviously using the 500K to back up your other point about it being bad, but it doesn't do that.

(09-13-2020 12:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 10:01 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 09:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 09:54 AM)usffan Wrote:  So are you trying to say you agree with the original thesis that "...it only affects the old and the weak" based on the fact that I used a plural for one portion of my attempt at refuting the approach and that the one player who died (and was clearly COVID positive and thus was undoubtedly "affected" by it even though he was neither old nor weak)? I didn't check my post for grammar, I apologize for using the plural. Didn't intentionally mean to "mislead." Doesn't dismiss how wrong the original statement was, and attempting to undermine the whole argument because of it is pretty freaking disingenuous.

USFFan

I never said it ONLY affected the old and the weak, so you're misreading that, as well. I said it disproportionately affected the old and weak. That's a fact, not a conspiracy, lol.

And the football player DID NOT DIE OF COVID. Read your own link.

And the flu IS WORSE on young people than is Covid.

So every single argument you made is wrong.

Take a breath, AAA. Go back and read. My post was in response to Bear Catlett, who specifically said "...it only affects the old and the weak." You then jumped in. And I posted two things, that a football player died of COVID (which you now refute, even though he died WITH COVID, though they've changed the official cause of death as inconclusive) and that >500,000 children in the US have the disease (which you have not refuted). No idea why you've decided to inject yourself in something I wrote in response to Bear Catlett, but regardless, the statement that "...every single argument you made is wrong" is also incorrect. The 500,000 children fact is completely backed up.

USFFan

You got the 500,000 right, but what's your point? How many died? Almost none. How many infected others? The effects seem to be minimal with young folks spreading disease to others. Thus it's irrelevant, and much less deadly to young folks than the flu.

You were obviously using the 500K to back up your other point about it being bad, but it doesn't do that.

No, this all started because of this:

(09-13-2020 07:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 10:33 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 07:50 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  OK, here's my question on every story like this.

How many of these positive test guys are actually SICK?

I don't know. Why don't you go hang out with them and find out?

Yeah, then maybe I'll catch the non-sick sickness.

Given that it only affects the old and the weak, you should probably stay away.

(emphasis added by me now)

That was it. You then escalated it by jumping in, and you've now gleaned things like what "my point" was (which was to refute the notion that "it only affects the old and weak") and now you seem to even know not only what my point was but whether I was effective in making it. We're practically down to having an argument about what "is" is. I am 100% confident in what I wrote, and don't have to defend what you inferred (hat tip to slhNavy91) that to be.

USFFan

(09-13-2020 01:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 07:50 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  OK, here's my question on every story like this.

How many of these positive test guys are actually SICK?

So far, all I'm hearing is nobody has symptoms. Not one out of maybe 40 between the positive tests (10-20) and the others who were around them.

Well recently we were hearing that Memphis was on a party bus and that turned out to not be true.

I'm not sure what it will take for people to quit excusing things and recognize how dangerous this disease is for everyone, but my guess is it will take about a million dead.

That'll happen in about this time next year. 400k dead by new years, about a 1,000 dead a day, we'll start seeing the deaths from schools reopening right before October starts so that should be a good obvious spike just like the one that started at the end of June.

Meanwhile Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, almost all of Europe, China, Vietnam, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, etc are all mostly back to normal.

(09-13-2020 12:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 10:01 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 09:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 09:54 AM)usffan Wrote:  So are you trying to say you agree with the original thesis that "...it only affects the old and the weak" based on the fact that I used a plural for one portion of my attempt at refuting the approach and that the one player who died (and was clearly COVID positive and thus was undoubtedly "affected" by it even though he was neither old nor weak)? I didn't check my post for grammar, I apologize for using the plural. Didn't intentionally mean to "mislead." Doesn't dismiss how wrong the original statement was, and attempting to undermine the whole argument because of it is pretty freaking disingenuous.

USFFan

I never said it ONLY affected the old and the weak, so you're misreading that, as well. I said it disproportionately affected the old and weak. That's a fact, not a conspiracy, lol.

And the football player DID NOT DIE OF COVID. Read your own link.

And the flu IS WORSE on young people than is Covid.

So every single argument you made is wrong.

Take a breath, AAA. Go back and read. My post was in response to Bear Catlett, who specifically said "...it only affects the old and the weak." You then jumped in. And I posted two things, that a football player died of COVID (which you now refute, even though he died WITH COVID, though they've changed the official cause of death as inconclusive) and that >500,000 children in the US have the disease (which you have not refuted). No idea why you've decided to inject yourself in something I wrote in response to Bear Catlett, but regardless, the statement that "...every single argument you made is wrong" is also incorrect. The 500,000 children fact is completely backed up.

USFFan

You got the 500,000 right, but what's your point? How many died? Almost none. How many infected others? The effects seem to be minimal with young folks spreading disease to others. Thus it's irrelevant, and much less deadly to young folks than the flu.

You were obviously using the 500K to back up your other point about it being bad, but it doesn't do that.

Yeah I don't think children spreading being minimal is proven...There are studies on both sides of that issue...And most lately point to kids over 12 spreading just as well as adults.

Bottom line is would you rather be careful and be wrong or not be careful and be wrong.

Quote:While relatively rare, some children die from flu each year. Since 2004-2005, flu-related deaths in children reported to CDC during regular flu seasons have ranged from 37 to 187 deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/highrisk/children.htm

62 children under 14 have died from Covid this year...And that is with most children having limited exposure to the virus until recently. So I would say your assertion that the flu is more dangerous is also not supported by the facts either.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid.../index.htm

I find it strange that you asked for links to backup his claims but you haven't done the same.

(09-13-2020 08:16 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 07:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 10:33 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 07:50 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  OK, here's my question on every story like this.

How many of these positive test guys are actually SICK?

I don't know. Why don't you go hang out with them and find out?

Yeah, then maybe I'll catch the non-sick sickness.

Given that it only affects the old and the weak, you should probably stay away.

Given that it's killed (not just affected) college football players and has infected >500,000 children to date so far, GTSOH you callous $*&*@!

USFFan

I can tell you're one of those that has been bunkered in your basement since february with the only source of light being your computer screen as you scour the internet looking for reports of the demise of the human race.

Those of us that live life and aren't scared sh!tless because we believe every word that CNN says know that for people under 40, you're more likely to die from a lightning strike than covid19.

So just change your depends and re-check the duct tape around your windows so that covid isn't getting in, you ignorant $*&*@ !

(09-13-2020 02:59 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 08:16 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 07:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 10:33 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 07:50 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  OK, here's my question on every story like this.

How many of these positive test guys are actually SICK?

I don't know. Why don't you go hang out with them and find out?

Yeah, then maybe I'll catch the non-sick sickness.

Given that it only affects the old and the weak, you should probably stay away.

Given that it's killed (not just affected) college football players and has infected >500,000 children to date so far, GTSOH you callous $*&*@!

USFFan

I can tell you're one of those that has been bunkered in your basement since february with the only source of light being your computer screen as you scour the internet looking for reports of the demise of the human race.

Those of us that live life and aren't scared sh!tless because we believe every word that CNN says know that for people under 40, you're more likely to die from a lightning strike than covid19.

So just change your depends and re-check the duct tape around your windows so that covid isn't getting in, you ignorant $*&*@ !

Nope, been out working (and living). But I'm also doing both in the real world where I can look objectively at all data and not exclusively through red or blue colored glasses. But thanks for showing that you're incapable of doing the same. Enjoy my ignore list.

USFFan

(09-13-2020 03:18 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 02:59 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 08:16 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 07:36 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 10:33 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I don't know. Why don't you go hang out with them and find out?

Yeah, then maybe I'll catch the non-sick sickness.

Given that it only affects the old and the weak, you should probably stay away.

Given that it's killed (not just affected) college football players and has infected >500,000 children to date so far, GTSOH you callous $*&*@!

USFFan

I can tell you're one of those that has been bunkered in your basement since february with the only source of light being your computer screen as you scour the internet looking for reports of the demise of the human race.

Those of us that live life and aren't scared sh!tless because we believe every word that CNN says know that for people under 40, you're more likely to die from a lightning strike than covid19.

So just change your depends and re-check the duct tape around your windows so that covid isn't getting in, you ignorant $*&*@ !

Nope, been out working (and living). But I'm also doing both in the real world where I can look objectively at all data and not exclusively through red or blue colored glasses. But thanks for showing that you're incapable of doing the same. Enjoy my ignore list.

USFFan

OH NO !!!!

NOT THE IGNORE LIST!!!!

AAAHHHHHHHH !!!!

(09-13-2020 12:42 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 01:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 07:50 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  OK, here's my question on every story like this.

How many of these positive test guys are actually SICK?

So far, all I'm hearing is nobody has symptoms. Not one out of maybe 40 between the positive tests (10-20) and the others who were around them.

Well recently we were hearing that Memphis was on a party bus and that turned out to not be true.

I'm not sure what it will take for people to quit excusing things and recognize how dangerous this disease is for everyone, but my guess is it will take about a million dead.

That'll happen in about this time next year. 400k dead by new years, about a 1,000 dead a day, we'll start seeing the deaths from schools reopening right before October starts so that should be a good obvious spike just like the one that started at the end of June.

Meanwhile Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, almost all of Europe, China, Vietnam, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, etc are all mostly back to normal.

I'm not excusing a damn thing. All I said was none of the ones in quarantine seem to have symptoms so far. Take it or leave it.

Meanwhile, I guess all this crap is America's fault, huh?

And if you are correct about all those other countries, I would be somewhat surprised, b/c several of them had recent surges in cases, including AU, NZ, SoKo and several others.

And Sweden, which never did a lockdown, is also back to normal with all the schools open and nobody locked down or wearing masks.

We're having lots of cases, but the death rate is relatively flat. Which means the cases are mostly young people who are having mild cases.

There are lots of ways to slice this data. Nobody is completely right or wrong. I just hate people picking positions, preaching to everybody else, and using skewed, misinterpreted or cherry picked data (not you).

As for lockdowns, which you seem to want to continue, I think at this point, they are doing way more harm than good. "Essential" workers have proved throughout this ordeal that you can operate safely if you just do the right things.

Btw, Israel is now going into a second lockdown, and Europe had several thousand new cases yesterday, according to a news report I just saw.

(09-13-2020 03:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 12:42 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 01:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 07:50 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  OK, here's my question on every story like this.

How many of these positive test guys are actually SICK?

So far, all I'm hearing is nobody has symptoms. Not one out of maybe 40 between the positive tests (10-20) and the others who were around them.

Well recently we were hearing that Memphis was on a party bus and that turned out to not be true.

I'm not sure what it will take for people to quit excusing things and recognize how dangerous this disease is for everyone, but my guess is it will take about a million dead.

That'll happen in about this time next year. 400k dead by new years, about a 1,000 dead a day, we'll start seeing the deaths from schools reopening right before October starts so that should be a good obvious spike just like the one that started at the end of June.

Meanwhile Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, almost all of Europe, China, Vietnam, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, etc are all mostly back to normal.

I'm not excusing a damn thing. All I said was none of the ones in quarantine seem to have symptoms so far. Take it or leave it.

Meanwhile, I guess all this crap is America's fault, huh?

And if you are correct about all those other countries, I would be somewhat surprised, b/c several of them had recent surges in cases, including AU, NZ, SoKo and several others.

And Sweden, which never did a lockdown, is also back to normal with all the schools open and nobody locked down or wearing masks.

We're having lots of cases, but the death rate is relatively flat. Which means the cases are mostly young people who are having mild cases.

There are lots of ways to slice this data. Nobody is completely right or wrong. I just hate people picking positions, preaching to everybody else, and using skewed, misinterpreted or cherry picked data (not you).

As for lockdowns, which you seem to want to continue, I think at this point, they are doing way more harm than good. "Essential" workers have proved throughout this ordeal that you can operate safely if you just do the right things.

Swedens infection rate is much higher than any other country in their geographic area.

And on a secondary note Sweden didn't do a lockdown but they did issue advisories on what should be done and they were largely followed.

We see how well people in the US follow advisories.

(09-13-2020 04:11 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 03:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 12:42 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 01:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 07:50 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  OK, here's my question on every story like this.

How many of these positive test guys are actually SICK?

So far, all I'm hearing is nobody has symptoms. Not one out of maybe 40 between the positive tests (10-20) and the others who were around them.

Well recently we were hearing that Memphis was on a party bus and that turned out to not be true.

I'm not sure what it will take for people to quit excusing things and recognize how dangerous this disease is for everyone, but my guess is it will take about a million dead.

That'll happen in about this time next year. 400k dead by new years, about a 1,000 dead a day, we'll start seeing the deaths from schools reopening right before October starts so that should be a good obvious spike just like the one that started at the end of June.

Meanwhile Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, almost all of Europe, China, Vietnam, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, etc are all mostly back to normal.

I'm not excusing a damn thing. All I said was none of the ones in quarantine seem to have symptoms so far. Take it or leave it.

Meanwhile, I guess all this crap is America's fault, huh?

And if you are correct about all those other countries, I would be somewhat surprised, b/c several of them had recent surges in cases, including AU, NZ, SoKo and several others.

And Sweden, which never did a lockdown, is also back to normal with all the schools open and nobody locked down or wearing masks.

We're having lots of cases, but the death rate is relatively flat. Which means the cases are mostly young people who are having mild cases.

There are lots of ways to slice this data. Nobody is completely right or wrong. I just hate people picking positions, preaching to everybody else, and using skewed, misinterpreted or cherry picked data (not you).

As for lockdowns, which you seem to want to continue, I think at this point, they are doing way more harm than good. "Essential" workers have proved throughout this ordeal that you can operate safely if you just do the right things.

Swedens infection rate is much higher than any other country in their geographic area.

And on a secondary note Sweden didn't do a lockdown but they did issue advisories on what should be done and they were largely followed.

We see how well people in the US follow advisories.

There needs to be an honest and factual assessment about the reasons behind Swedes’ significantly slowing spread after initial missteps of not protecting the elderly - particularly in facilities.

There were no draconian lockdowns and no mask mandates (indeed Sweden's coronavirus expert said it is dangerous) and schools are in session. The Swedes practiced social distancing voluntarily to some degree according to my understanding, but it seems unlikely the primary driver of their success. Something else is in play.

(09-13-2020 04:43 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 04:11 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 03:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 12:42 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 01:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  So far, all I'm hearing is nobody has symptoms. Not one out of maybe 40 between the positive tests (10-20) and the others who were around them.

Well recently we were hearing that Memphis was on a party bus and that turned out to not be true.

I'm not sure what it will take for people to quit excusing things and recognize how dangerous this disease is for everyone, but my guess is it will take about a million dead.

That'll happen in about this time next year. 400k dead by new years, about a 1,000 dead a day, we'll start seeing the deaths from schools reopening right before October starts so that should be a good obvious spike just like the one that started at the end of June.

Meanwhile Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, almost all of Europe, China, Vietnam, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, etc are all mostly back to normal.

I'm not excusing a damn thing. All I said was none of the ones in quarantine seem to have symptoms so far. Take it or leave it.

Meanwhile, I guess all this crap is America's fault, huh?

And if you are correct about all those other countries, I would be somewhat surprised, b/c several of them had recent surges in cases, including AU, NZ, SoKo and several others.

And Sweden, which never did a lockdown, is also back to normal with all the schools open and nobody locked down or wearing masks.

We're having lots of cases, but the death rate is relatively flat. Which means the cases are mostly young people who are having mild cases.

There are lots of ways to slice this data. Nobody is completely right or wrong. I just hate people picking positions, preaching to everybody else, and using skewed, misinterpreted or cherry picked data (not you).

As for lockdowns, which you seem to want to continue, I think at this point, they are doing way more harm than good. "Essential" workers have proved throughout this ordeal that you can operate safely if you just do the right things.

Swedens infection rate is much higher than any other country in their geographic area.

And on a secondary note Sweden didn't do a lockdown but they did issue advisories on what should be done and they were largely followed.

We see how well people in the US follow advisories.

There needs to be an honest and factual assessment about the reasons behind Swedes’ significantly slowing spread after initial missteps of not protecting the elderly - particularly in facilities.

There were no draconian lockdowns and no mask mandates (indeed Sweden's coronavirus expert said it is dangerous) and schools are in session. The Swedes practiced social distancing voluntarily to some degree according to my understanding, but it seems unlikely the primary driver of their success. Something else is in play.

Or perhaps it simply ran it's course and is fading away naturally like any other virus.

Does that ever happen anymore here in covid panic world???

Maybe it just happened quicker in Sweden because it's a smaller country?

A natural resolution? Maybe??

Sweden discovered years ago that their citizens were vitamin D deficient and increased supplementation in some of their foods. Could be a factor.

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Back to the OP. Moral of the story: Never trust the media.

So, the official word of what happened is, a mom came to visit her son in a van, spent time with him and other players in a dorm.

The mom left the next day and wasn't feeling well. All those she came in contact with were put into isolation, and tested.

Mom tested negative, and all players tested negative, but they remain apart from everyone else, as a precaution.

So, no party bus, no 20+ positive cases, just a mom who felt sick when she went home, and a precaution of testing and isolation. And everybody tests negative.

Silverfield says we have every intention of playing our next game vs. UTSA.