Heard a women today (don't remember if it was CNN or ABC) talk about the unprovoked attack on Blake as he tried to get into his car.

Unprovoked, you guys can parse any way you want.

But when I get into my car, I put in my right leg, then my butt, and finally the left leg, ducking my head a little to avoid hitting it on the top of the car. I don't bend over 90 degrees from the waist with my head lower than the steering wheel, which is what we see in the video. The only time I would bend like that would be when I am retrieving something from the floor of the car.

But this is a good example of the bias in the MSM. Unfortunately, for a lot of people, this is the only viewpoint they hear.

eighth pfficer shot since June

I could load up ths post with dozens of quotes of officers hurt or killed in the line of duty. Does it prove systemic violence against police officers?

Biden to blame Trump

so what's new?

"Portland has seen nearly 100 consecutive nights of Black Lives Matter protests and many have ended with vandalism to federal and city property."

The rioters and looters, at least the ones who will vote, probably break 100-0 for Biden. I haven't seen a single MAGA hat in any of the film of the looting and burning.

Yet it is Trump's fault.

I guess that accusation will stick - in the minds of Trump-haters.

What I want someone from the left to explain to me is.....

How does electing a man who sponsored and supported some of the most racially biased laws in modern history... and his running mate who prosecuted a disproportionate number of minorities under those and other laws for almost 30 years... in ANY way address these issues they claim to be so passionate about?

I get not voting for Trump. I haven't and won't myself... but what I DON'T get is voting for people VASTLY more culpable than he is on what seems to be such an important issue.

This is even worse than last time when they ran a 'crooked' rule bending enabler of a misogynist who repeatedly called women liars and worse against someone they called a liar, rule bender and misogynist. Now they're running people who supported, enabled and defended racist policies against someone they call a racist.

(08-31-2020 10:43 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  What I want someone from the left to explain to me is.....

How does electing a man who sponsored and supported some of the most racially biased laws in modern history... and his running mate who prosecuted a disproportionate number of minorities under those and other laws for almost 30 years... in ANY way address these issues they claim to be so passionate about?

I get not voting for Trump. I haven't and won't myself... but what I DON'T get is voting for people VASTLY more culpable than he is on what seems to be such an important issue.

This is even worse than last time when they ran a 'crooked' rule bending enabler of a misogynist who repeatedly called women liars and worse against someone they called a liar, rule bender and misogynist. Now they're running people who supported, enabled and defended racist policies against someone they call a racist.

Anybody but Trump. OMB. Russia, Russia, Russia.

(08-31-2020 11:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 10:43 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  What I want someone from the left to explain to me is.....

How does electing a man who sponsored and supported some of the most racially biased laws in modern history... and his running mate who prosecuted a disproportionate number of minorities under those and other laws for almost 30 years... in ANY way address these issues they claim to be so passionate about?

I get not voting for Trump. I haven't and won't myself... but what I DON'T get is voting for people VASTLY more culpable than he is on what seems to be such an important issue.

This is even worse than last time when they ran a 'crooked' rule bending enabler of a misogynist who repeatedly called women liars and worse against someone they called a liar, rule bender and misogynist. Now they're running people who supported, enabled and defended racist policies against someone they call a racist.

Anybody but Trump. OMB. Russia, Russia, Russia.

They will not respond. To do so would be to admit your charges in your last sentence are in fact, factual.

Truth is, they would vote for anybody against Trump. I think most of them would vote for Kim Jong Un or the Iranian Ayatollah. In fact a vote against Trump could be considered a vote for both of them.

You ask good questions.

The problem with the violence is first, it cannot be uncoupled from the protests at this point.

Seemingly, every protest at this point devolves into riot, looting, arson, assault, murder, and/or vandalism.

In another thread, the call is made from people supporting Biden that they support the protests but do not do so for the violent behavior that attaches itself to them like a remora.

And, since the true protests seemingly cannot occur without criminal and/or violent behavior, I think the above is a cop out.

And even the mainstream left opposes any reaction by Trump to forestall the violent behavior.

And the mainstream left actually seemingly condones, if not outright supports not just protest, but protest that actually goes to the edge of criminal and/or violent behavior.

Biden’s running mate, Kamala Harris, said back in June that “everyone beware” because the protests are “not going to let up, and they should not, and we should not.”

Democratic Rep. Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts said in an interview on MSNBC, “There needs to be unrest in the streets.”

The left loves the effects of the protests, they love the 'in your face' aspects of the protest movement. But they seemingly are unwilling to back down from edge that they have both put into play, and supported.

The left overall seemingly is on a hotplate to condemn urban violence without alienating their own activist base, which strongly supports Black Lives Matter.

It shouldn’t take CNN’s Don Lemon or the New York Times to say, “Look at the polls. This is hurting our party.” But it did.

(09-01-2020 12:37 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The problem with the violence is first, it cannot be uncoupled from the protests at this point.

Seemingly, every protest at this point devolves into riot, looting, arson, assault, murder, and/or vandalism.

In another thread, the call is made from people supporting Biden that they support the protests but do not do so for the violent behavior that attaches itself to them like a remora.

And, since the true protests seemingly cannot occur without criminal and/or violent behavior, I think the above is a cop out.

And even the mainstream left opposes any reaction by Trump to forestall the violent behavior.

And the mainstream left actually seemingly condones, if not outright supports not just protest, but protest that actually goes to the edge of criminal and/or violent behavior.

Biden’s running mate, Kamala Harris, said back in June that “everyone beware” because the protests are “not going to let up, and they should not, and we should not.”

Democratic Rep. Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts said in an interview on MSNBC, “There needs to be unrest in the streets.”

The left loves the effects of the protests, they love the 'in your face' aspects of the protest movement. But they seemingly are unwilling to back down from edge that they have both put into play, and supported.

The left overall seemingly is on a hotplate to condemn urban violence without alienating their own activist base, which strongly supports Black Lives Matter.

It shouldn’t take CNN’s Don Lemon or the New York Times to say, “Look at the polls. This is hurting our party.” But it did.

I think the bigger issue is that the examples being used to justify the violence and anger are almost never examples of systemic racism.