(07-15-2022 10:56 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 10:46 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 10:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  This is a list of all FBS schools frequently mentioned as candidates to move into either the Big Ten or SEC camp in the foreseeable future. Their rank is based on their MSR (mean Sagarin football rating) over the past ten normal football seasons.

2 Clemson
8 Oregon
9 Oklahoma State
11 Notre Dame
14 Stanford
15 Florida State
17 Washington
19 Baylor
25 Utah
32 Miami
47 North Carolina
54 California
63 Duke
66 Virginia
79 Colorado

As of today, the SEC has 8 teams ranked in the Top 25 and the Big Ten has 6, counting Oklahoma and USC. The above list includes 9 from that Top 25. Only #22 Kansas State and #23 TCU don't seem to be mentioned often if at all.

If all the above schools found a P2 home you would need just one more to get to a P2 X 24

Obviously the ones the SEC will check out.

That would be my list as well, but it includes nine schools and the SEC only needs eight. If we assume that UNC, UVa and Duke stay together, that likely means Notre Dame to the B1G, with Kansas a possibility for that league as well.

Beyond these, you'd have to stretch the definition of "brand school" a bit to substitute anyone else.

Outside of ND which I believe will go B1G there is Ga Tech and Louisville. Neither one is a bad choice. One locks down Atlanta and is AAU, the other is solid in all sports and top 15 in earning. N.C. State locks down the triangle and Va Tech is a solid fit.

Do we take Baylor? Only if Texas and A&M prefer. Do we take Oklahoma State? Small state and second school.

Here's how I see it KenD.

Oregon, Washington, Stanford and ND are the next 4 in the B1G. California, Kansas, and 2 of Colorado, Missouri, Pittsburgh and Syracuse are their last four in.

Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, and Virginia are the SEC's first four in.

Duke, Miami, Virginia Tech, and one of NC State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, and Baylor are the last 4 in, unless UNC insists upon NC State in which case Duke is in the pick'em list. If Mizzou wants the Big 10 with Kansas then pick two.

That said I think it's time to have all but football members: Duke, Tulane/Rice?, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest. Now you can take 2 more in Vandy and Duke's slots. So pick 2 from Virginia Tech, Louisville and Baylor.

(07-15-2022 10:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  This is a list of all FBS schools frequently mentioned as candidates to move into either the Big Ten or SEC camp in the foreseeable future. Their rank is based on their MSR (mean Sagarin football rating) over the past ten normal football seasons.

2 Clemson
8 Oregon
9 Oklahoma State
11 Notre Dame
14 Stanford
15 Florida State
17 Washington
19 Baylor
25 Utah
32 Miami
47 North Carolina
54 California
63 Duke
66 Virginia
79 Colorado

As of today, the SEC has 8 teams ranked in the Top 25 and the Big Ten has 6, counting Oklahoma and USC. The above list includes 9 from that Top 25. Only #22 Kansas State and #23 TCU don't seem to be mentioned often if at all.

If all the above schools found a P2 home you would need just one more to get to a P2 X 24

I realize the cause is probably hopeless, but speaking from an ACC fan perspective -

1) Keep those programs we already have;

2) Keep ND as a partial member:

3) Aggressively pursue Oregon, Stanford, Washington, and Utah;

4) Add two from Oklahoma State, Baylor, and TCU

That will give the ACC 20 full football members and ND.

This adds two college football brands to the three it already has and 3 solid next tier down brands to the other next tier down brands the ACC already has.

That might be a conference worth 70-80% of what the Power 2 would be worth.

Keep the ACC logo but it now stands for ALL COASTS CONFERENCE since the majority of the conference would be in states situated near the Atlantic, Pacific, or Gulf Coastal regions. LOL

Be BOLD ACC. Be SMART PAC

Ah, who am I kidding?!?

Cheers,
Neil

(07-15-2022 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 10:56 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 10:46 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 10:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  This is a list of all FBS schools frequently mentioned as candidates to move into either the Big Ten or SEC camp in the foreseeable future. Their rank is based on their MSR (mean Sagarin football rating) over the past ten normal football seasons.

2 Clemson
8 Oregon
9 Oklahoma State
11 Notre Dame
14 Stanford
15 Florida State
17 Washington
19 Baylor
25 Utah
32 Miami
47 North Carolina
54 California
63 Duke
66 Virginia
79 Colorado

As of today, the SEC has 8 teams ranked in the Top 25 and the Big Ten has 6, counting Oklahoma and USC. The above list includes 9 from that Top 25. Only #22 Kansas State and #23 TCU don't seem to be mentioned often if at all.

If all the above schools found a P2 home you would need just one more to get to a P2 X 24

Obviously the ones the SEC will check out.

That would be my list as well, but it includes nine schools and the SEC only needs eight. If we assume that UNC, UVa and Duke stay together, that likely means Notre Dame to the B1G, with Kansas a possibility for that league as well.

Beyond these, you'd have to stretch the definition of "brand school" a bit to substitute anyone else.

Outside of ND which I believe will go B1G there is Ga Tech and Louisville. Neither one is a bad choice. One locks down Atlanta and is AAU, the other is solid in all sports and top 15 in earning. N.C. State locks down the triangle and Va Tech is a solid fit.

Do we take Baylor? Only if Texas and A&M prefer. Do we take Oklahoma State? Small state and second school.

Here's how I see it KenD.

Oregon, Washington, Stanford and ND are the next 4 in the B1G. California, Kansas, and 2 of Colorado, Missouri, Pittsburgh and Syracuse are their last four in.

Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, and Virginia are the SEC's first four in.

Duke, Miami, Virginia Tech, and one of NC State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, and Baylor are the last 4 in, unless UNC insists upon NC State in which case Duke is in the pick'em list. If Mizzou wants the Big 10 with Kansas then pick two.

That said I think it's time to have all but football members: Duke, Tulane/Rice?, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest. Now you can take 2 more in Vandy and Duke's slots. So pick 2 from Virginia Tech, Louisville and Baylor.

I dunno. The more I think about it, the more I look at the map, the less I think OR and WA get invited to the B10. For geography, mostly. West coast travel time is no joke - I'm more thinking of the fans than the schools. B10 already has outliers now in the southern cal area, I'm not sure they want to add another set of outliers that isn't texas or florida.

I could see stanford and one (or both) of the Arizona teams added to act as travel partners. If both Arizona, Stanford could be left out.

If they get Missouri, then I agree that they go for Kansas as well, and vice versa. And if both, Colorado might then be a possibility.

I think the others to the B10 are "possible", but I'm doubting they are "likely". ND might well go independent for a couple years while things sort out. If that happens, all those ND rival schools become less likely.

I think the PAC6 would be smart to join the B12. I would say that the B12 (minus a few) could instead merge to the pac, but the rumored anti-byu/baylor stance of cal (and others?) may stand in the way of that. Would be amazing if Cal and stanford were voted out so that a b12 merger could commence. And if Baylor got an SEC invite, all the easier.

I also think the B10 has it's eyes on the florida region. I don't think the SEC has that wrapped up. If they only get 1, then georgia tech (or an outside chance on georgia) is likely also on the menu.

I think with Delaney gone, there may be less interest by the B10 for the VA/NC cluster, since they really do seem to be a cluster. I think it's more likely that the SEC take them, or they continue on in the ACC as an SEC scheduling partner.

And as we talked about in another thread, I agree with you that SEC should be going after Louisville once the ACC schools are available.

(07-15-2022 11:21 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 10:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  This is a list of all FBS schools frequently mentioned as candidates to move into either the Big Ten or SEC camp in the foreseeable future. Their rank is based on their MSR (mean Sagarin football rating) over the past ten normal football seasons.

2 Clemson
8 Oregon
9 Oklahoma State
11 Notre Dame
14 Stanford
15 Florida State
17 Washington
19 Baylor
25 Utah
32 Miami
47 North Carolina
54 California
63 Duke
66 Virginia
79 Colorado

As of today, the SEC has 8 teams ranked in the Top 25 and the Big Ten has 6, counting Oklahoma and USC. The above list includes 9 from that Top 25. Only #22 Kansas State and #23 TCU don't seem to be mentioned often if at all.

If all the above schools found a P2 home you would need just one more to get to a P2 X 24

I realize the cause is probably hopeless, but speaking from an ACC fan perspective -

1) Keep those programs we already have;

2) Keep ND as a partial member:

3) Aggressively pursue Oregon, Stanford, Washington, and Utah;

4) Add two from Oklahoma State, Baylor, and TCU

That will give the ACC 20 full football members and ND.

This adds two college football brands to the three it already has and 3 solid next tier down brands to the other next tier down brands the ACC already has.

That might be a conference worth 70-80% of what the Power 2 would be worth.

Keep the ACC logo but it now stands for ALL COASTS CONFERENCE since the majority of the conference would be in states situated near the Atlantic, Pacific, or Gulf Coastal regions. LOL

Be BOLD ACC. Be SMART PAC

Ah, who am I kidding?!?

Cheers,
Neil

I actually agree with you that it would be smart for the VA/NC cluster to keep the ACC intact (not-so-much for trying to merge with PAC, though).

I think that they should go for a scheduling partnership with the SEC. It would help their media deal, and help the SEC not to have to take a bunch of schools in-house.

If they can get such a scheduling union finalized permanently in cement, with a better ACC media deal, then that's when it's "possible" that schools like Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Mississippi state, and Kentucky, might be "persuaded" to move to the ACC.

It could take a rename, maybe call it the SCC - The Southeast Coastal Conference. And maybe the SCC and the SEC media deals could be negotiated at the same time. Espn or whoever would like this - they get the content, while having 2 tiers for paying schools.

As for the Northeast schools, they either need to add Cinn, and WVA; or to send Pitt and Syracuse and BC to the B12, or where ever. The latter probably being better, so as to focus on regions, to make it easier for schools' and for fans' travel.

All that said, I'm with you, and not seeing a lot of hope here. The "easy" way seems to be for SEC and B10 to just raid the ACC, which apparently is what is going to happen eventually...